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What to do with the 1st round pick?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Jan 30, 2024.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    2 of the best players we had last year. You act like they aren't worth it.
     
  2. DPhinz_Dphinz

    DPhinz_Dphinz New Member

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    Not saying they aren't worth it...

    I'm saying that $20 million for a DT shouldn't be in our price range considering that we have Chubb getting close to $20 million and Ramsey getting close to $15 million to play zone, not withstanding Tua may get $50 million per :jump:...at least it wouldn't be in mine, but Grier may see otherwise and choose to kick the can down the road where we find ourselves with an expensive defense and lackluster offense.

    I think seen that movie and have gotten every I can out of the experience.
     
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  3. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    What are you hoping and/or expecting to get for Wilkins?
     
  4. DPhinz_Dphinz

    DPhinz_Dphinz New Member

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    Considering we get a 3rd for him if he walks away, I'd settle for a 2nd rounder.
     
  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    So the very small cap hits that Ramsey and Chubb will have next year will be the reason the Dolphins don't sign Wilkins?

    Doesn't make sense.

    With very minimal losses (mainly X and Ogbah) and some restructuring/extending, the Dolphins can be around $80m under the cap. If Weaver thinks Wilkins is a good fit, and they want to pay him what he's worth, they can do it.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Oh, someone told you that Chubb and Ramsey's cap his next year are going to be $20m and $15m next year. And this same person also told you that Tua's will be $50m? lol
     
  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s actually educated myself on the salary cap and how it actually works.

    To the layman, when you hear what Chubb and Ramsey signed contracts “for”, folks lose their minds. What they don’t actually look at is how the contract is structured and a lot of that money increases in increments over the term of the contract. Chubb and Ramsey’s salary cap hits aren’t as significant as say Ogbah, Howard and even Baker.

    Depending on WHAT Wilkins will be asking for, we will be able to sign him to a long term deal, which will have only a nominal effect on the cap. If however, Wilkins demands a shorter term deal in the range of $80 million, we may not be able to swing it…unless Ross breaks open the checkbook and gives a huge signing bonus, which lowers the cap hit.

    I just hope we can keep Wilkins. The man is a BEAST!!
     
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  8. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    The cap space issues I think will make it harder to tag Wilkins as they'll need to pay everything this season. They can't manipulate it.
     
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  9. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    If the Dolphins tag Wilkins, they will have to pay him the average of the top 5 paid DTs in the league, or 120% over this past year’s salaries, whichever is greater.

    If Miami tags Wilkins, they’ll be looking to trade him and could…COULD get a 1st round pick for him.

    This is why Wilkins’ contract is more important to the organization than any other current player, including Tua’s.
     
  10. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    I'm fine with either. I just don't want them to lose Wilkins and not get anything because they can't tag him due to cap issues. Tag or extend.
     
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  11. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Corley from WKU second round pick.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Corley isn’t a tight end though?

    Are you just thinking tight end and slot receiver is essentially the third best weapon so don’t get caught up in the tight end position?
     
  13. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Corley is a beast, he can be more then a slot for sure. Thinking more about value at second round pick. Not against a TE at all.
     
  14. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Bradly Chubb cap hit for 24 is $26,851,488.
    Jalen Ramsey for 24 is $27,267,000.
    Neither of those numbers is small. As of today about 22% of the entire Dolphins salary cap.
     
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  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I haven’t seen a tight outside of bowers that’s as good as Kincaid or Laporta coming out

    So 2nd Round for tight end isnt in the cards imo
     
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  16. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    And for the 1 millionth time, they will be restructured and their cap hits will be a fraction of those numbers. You’ve got to be messing with us at this point, right?
     
  17. pumpdogs

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    This question cannot be answered before free agency and not knowing how the board falls.
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We can also restructure armstead now that he’s coming back
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The one good thing about this heated discussion back and forth is some folks, who follow through to fruition will learn exactly how the salary cap is worked around.

    There’s going to be cuts that some will shrug their shoulders about. “Eh, no biggie”

    There may be a or two trade that will cause some’s eyes to pop wide in their heads and go “WHOA!!!”

    But at the end of the off-season the vast majority of the Dolphins roster is going to remain in tact.

    My ONLY off-season roster concern is Wilkins. The man is a BEAST and I don’t want to lose him.
     
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  20. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    At some point you do have to deal with it. Look at the cowboys.
     
  21. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I think I'd rather just take the hit this year and then be able to move on next year. Unlike Chubb and Ramsey, he probably doesn't figure heavily into future plans. Especially with the huge cap jump that came out today, it's the more palatable option.
     
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  22. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    What about them? All I hear is that they are frontrunners to trade for Diggs and sign King Henry lol.
     
  23. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Well you can only kick the cam down the road so far. Sooner or later a team is faced with biting the bullet and paying or cutting the player.

    Take Howard for example. He’s due what, $25 million? His performance as of the couple of years has dropped significantly. Miami can either save nearly $19 million against the cap on a June 1st cut, or see about restructuring his current contract.

    If Howard doesn’t want to restructure (I doubt he’ll find a team willing to pay him that on the market), then the Dolphins will either have to pay him or cut him.

    It’s the same with all teams with players with big money contracts.
     
  24. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    and for one millionth time, they will have to pay it eventually. You cannot seem to comprehend that the reason they have to continually restructure the deals is BECAUSE they are in salary cap trouble.

    You really want to add more years on to Chubb who is coming off a major injury? Then you will be the one saying they dont sign injure players. LOL
     
  25. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    again some of you dont see getting rid of good talent as an issue or anything related to the salary cap, some of us do. Some cant accept the fact those moves happen because of the salary cap, others do.
     
  26. dolphin25

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    You really want to extend him with his health, injury, and age?
     
  27. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Lmao!!

    You still don’t understand how this works.
     
  28. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Which players will be let go due to the cap?

    NONE

    The dolphins will have plenty of money to keep whomever they want.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I believe there is a way to restructure without facing the dilemmas you are proposing
     
  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Incentive based pay. However, I doubt Armstead plays after this season. My bet is he retires.
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you can still restructure his cap hit and designate him the correct way anticipating he is gonna retire next year.

    Not quite versed enough in how but I think you can.
     
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  32. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Sure. They can restructure for a lesser cap hit this year.

    Plus, the new cap has allotted $75m more
    For incentive pay. Maybe see if they can add money if he plays more.
     
  33. tirty8

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    I got an actual little nugget that carries some weight. Daniel Jeremiah reported that next year's QB draft class is not very good, and teams may prioritize landing a QB this year as opposed to waiting until next year. This year already looks to have QBs that are poised to go early. What does that mean for the Dolphins? I think that there is a real chance that a talented player gets pushed down to our pick - or near our pick - at 21. I think that there will be an opportunity to take a very talented player or trade some draft capital to move up and grab a talented player. Where this really becomes fodder for debate is, "What happens if this player is not in a position of need?" I think that this position at least semi-arose last season where we took Cam smith after just trading for Ramsey. Sure, I am confident that Grier knew that Howard's days were probably numbered in Miami, and getting ahead of his roster made long-term sense.

    I think that this is a fun discussion to have as to whether we should be drafting top talent or filling holes that we will most certainly have as we enter the draft.
     
  34. Fishhead

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    The more I read about JPJ from Oregon, the more I’d like to see him in aqua and orange. If the second tier of qbs (Nix, Penix, McCarthy) get pushed up and the wr run starts early, he could be there at 21.
     
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  35. DPhinz_Dphinz

    DPhinz_Dphinz New Member

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    :bless:

    The bottom line is signing Tua:001_rolleyes:.
     
  36. Phil Hutchings

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    That’s not going to happen.
     
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  37. tirty8

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    I - with along with everyone else here - would love JPJ.

    One thing that I would consider that would cause considerable outrage is actually considering a WR here. I think that will put us in a good position to part ways with Hill after the 2025 season while simultaneously helping us win now. We are losing talent on defense that I simply do not think we will be able to make up. I think that we should at least consider doubling down on Mikey, and just saying that our defense is "let's score 40 points per game" until we get Chubb and Phillips back. Plus I think that there will be a lot of good WR talent at that spot in the draft.
     
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  38. Aquapride

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    Which positions have the highest "hit rates"? OL and DL?
    I certainly agree that a goal for each draft should be to acquire players who will be a starter for 4 or more years.
     
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  39. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Grier is pot committed to Tua, or otherwise he has to admit Flores was right all along.
     
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  40. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I know admitting you’re wrong is hard for you, but I seriously doubt Grier is risking everything over a made up scenario you’ve got cemented into your head.

    Grier has faith in Tua because Tua has been a top QB over the past 2 seasons.
     
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