Pretty good article, and accurate, I think. The problems in the run game weren't one thing. It was a combination of the bad OL, bad coaching, bad playcalling, the fact that the defense didn't respect the passing game the way other teams do, and on Miller as well for not always hitting the right hole. The good news is that most of those things should be better this season. How much better is the important question, but we don't even have all the answers yet, as two OL positions are still open.

 

Its amazing we were 8-8 considering our QB was so bad that Wallace's problems are Tanny's fault, the running game sucking is his fault, the sacks were his fault, bad playcalling was his fault, the defense not being able to stop the run was probably his fault too. Hell, I hear he forced Cogs to molest that woman at the event and pick on Martin. Some studies have shown that gout, the clap, eczema are also linked to Tannehill.

 

Tannehill should pick better in the draft his picks just don't cut it either.

 

Not a good season for a running back who would want to earn a living behind the OL and problems it had last year.

 

Moreno will take his snaps away this year, I'd like to see him produce in his role, run with more violence in his nature, not have an anxiety attack when he does get in the open field, be able to handle big moments, not drop the football when it's perfectly placed.

I think this year with his speed on the outside and us running more zone and stretch plays his role will be truly that of a change of pace back..the difference of speed between the two should take the defense by suprise some.

 

I agree that Moreno will, and should, get more carriers than Miller this season, but what do you think the breakdown will be. 300 for Moreno / 100 for Miller? Or something closer?

 

I think the author hit the nail on the head, poor execution on the OL's part and poor playcalling on the OC's part, that pretty much sums it up. Miller does frustrate me sometimes but I still think he has some potential.

ps: how did Tannehill even get into this conversation, the article didn't mention him ONCE.

EDIT- Actually it did mention him exactly once, in this sentence: "Miller botched his first snap of the preseason for a Ryan Tannehill fumble, and averaged a modest 4.23 yards on 17 carries thereafter."

 

Nothing went wrong. He was a fourth round running back. The odds of him succeeding were slim to begin with.

If anything, this is an instructive lesson on what to expect from the draft.

Here are a list of all the RBs drafted in the 4th round or later since 2009. There really isn't much to hang your hat on in terms successes.

 

That Tannyhill is a bum !!!


Seriously, I think all of us saw that as the season unfolded. The OL issues, as has been the history of this franchise since Shula left, just never materialized. That in itself is reason for some optimism this coming season, however, some of the problem has to be laid on Miller. He was not much better than Thomas last season and that's a testament of HIS prowess, not a result of the OL or playcalling or other issues we had...

 

Nothing really amazing. The game inherently entails mediocrity to be the norm.

 

Moreno is an every down player, like Manning said, a solid, very tough, dependable, pass catcher, blocker, Miller is gonna have to earn reps because toughness, dependability, blocking, were all things that were not there last year at the position, 100 reps sounds about right for Mareno's breather.

 

I think the issues are along the lines of what the article mentioned, but are more specific. Lamar Miller is an outside runner on a team that couldn't run effectively block them, and didn't really make good adjustments to do it better.

Miller might be more of a change of pace back than what everyone hoped for, but he's got some genuine ability when he hits the edge and the team should do a better job having linemen who can block outside zone, or breaking down and pulling linemen outside if need be.

 

Yup. He's a solid player, certainly worthy of a roster spot. But he just isn't a feature back/workhorse at this point. He's not strong or consistent enough pounding it between the tackles 20 times per game, and his decision making is average at best. He doesn't have Moreno's savviness in the passing game. He's a change of pace 12 carry-ish guy who can rip some long ones with a lane on the edge.

I personally don't think the staff is ready to admit this yet. I believe Miller will get more carries than Moreno because the staff feels like Miller was robbed by the OLine of his real 'opportunity' to seize a feature role. Moreno is insurance while they check out if Miller can be the guy. He has this one last chance to prove himself. I know I'm in the minority here, but I do think signing Moreno was actually a vote of confidence in Miller.

I was against the Moreno signing because it likely prohibits us from taking a stud back in the top 3 rounds, and the link you posted says a lot about why I want to draft a guy high. Tannehill needs a workhorse as he develops. Just about every legit franchise QB in the game right now had a stud RB in the backfield during his first few years. Even Peyton Manning was helped along by Marshall Faulk and Edge. It's an invaluable piece to developing a young QB.

 

If you're the type of RB that can only work the outside zone runs, how valuable are you really? I don't think an inability to run between the tackles is particularly problematic. But if you can't pass-protect very well, that is too one-dimensional IMO.

 

Problem being, once the outside run is established as a viable threat, the interior running lanes open up, add in poor execution and Miller being "okay" is no surprise.

 

The fan base had expectations of Miller being a dynamic back but in reality he is merely mediocre.
That is what happened to Miller.
People blame the Oline exclusively but Miller has to make things happen and he just can't.
I tried to tell everyone but people got pissed and said I was wrong.
Miller has poor vision and is a one trick pony.

 

blame:
40% offensive line
60% coaching

it's hard for me to even give miller any blame.

 

I'm not gonna write him off just get Nez, a productive back does need a line that can block on three levels, the LOS, the 2nd level, and setting the edge, you and I both know that our oline couldn't do anyoff the three all year, I don't understand Lamar sometimes, I know he has very good feet in traffic, I know he can shift without losing his pace but the mind is not in sync with his feet yet, and maybe the disaster we called our oline last year was a major culprit to his lack of confidence..

Do you know at this point, Lamar miller is still 22 years old.

 

The fact that he goes down so easy is not on him?

 

over 4 ypc with a horrible offensive coaching staff and a below average offensive line is a miracle, imo. imagine what his ypc would be with a competent coaching staff and an average o-line. not to mention, we totally misused his skills as a receiver out of the backfield. that drove me crazy more than anything. the flats were wide open all game.

 

The one run that sticks out for me with Miller was against the Bengals. 2nd Qtr..10mins on the clock. He had a home run if he cut left with an open field infront of him. He didn't when it was glaring. That cut back was obvious if Miller had that instinct. He didnt. Hmmmm.

 

to me he played nervous, could be due to youth, could be guy shy from a poor oline..he just hasn't looked confident in his moves or cuts, I mean I've seen him trip over his own feet a few times now, maybe he's not the smartest guy and it's gonna take him a bit to figure things out before he finds his own confidence.

 

I don't think he is entirely limited to just that, but it's what he is best at and they flat out couldn't do it last year. He might be a guy you need to supplement heavily, but he's got a specific skillset he can be very good at.

I don't think Miller's pass protection was particularly bad last season, either. He's not Clinton Portis, but the coaching staff let opposing defenses T-off on the backs in pass protection. I don't think any teams relied on their backs more often than Miami, and they basically telegraphed what they were going to do. There was too many times they both just got crushed by players they shouldn't have had to block over and over.

 

He wasn't bad in pass-pro. It's a terrible myth born from the terrible situations that Sherman put him in.

 

When you run a stretch play, where your OT's are supposed to block a Cb and they had -0- chance of getting it done, Miller's Hr potential was limited.

Add in, we passed the ball predominately w/the Rb staying in to block, and even then the OL could not execute simple draw plays, and yeah, I'm not down on Lamar Miller at all.

bad coaching, bad scheme fits, meets poor athleticism, and zone blocking is not going to work very well, yet instead of going more hat on hat blocking, Sherman stuck with ZBS

 

His pass protection is average at best. You're basically pigeonholing yourself to a situation where you're forced to run the outside zone well if you want to make him productive.

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The majority of situations Miller put himself in.

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no fullback, no Fasano, and no Jake long either.

 

lol... I'd venture to guess because you brought Tanny into it in your original comment...

 

lol... and now defensive passive aggressive behavior with the name calling of ... "the clan"? Dude, that is simply baiting the ire of others...

Point was, there was no need to bring Tanny into the discussion on Miller to begin with.

 

There's a clan? Why am I always the last to know these things? :shifty:

 

lol... you specifically named Tannehill, then posed the question as to why FinD was ridiculing your mentioning him, and I answered your question. Then you referred to anyone who defends or opposes your view on Tannehill by what is considered a largely negative term.

What masses? You're referring to a few comments due to you negatively mentioning Tannehill with the "excuses" swipe.

If you don't want to get growled at, then let sleeping dogs lie...