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Who *wouldn't* you fire/replace?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Clearly a lot of coaches and players may be replaced.

    Which coaches or players are you actually happy with. Who should keep their jobs?

    My list:
    Tannehill
    Wake
    Starks
    Odrick
    Grimes
    Clemons
    Carroll
    Clay
    Wallace
    Gibson
    Hartline
    Sims
    McKinnie
    Pouncey

    Dan Campbell
    Kacy Rodgers
     
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  2. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Fields
    Wake
    Vernon
    Pouncey
    Grimes

    I wouldn't necessarily replace EVERYONE else, but those are the only ones I feel should be untouchable.
     
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  3. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I would fire everyone.

    It seems to be the only way.

    I just have a feeling, Ireland will somehow be retained
     
  4. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I find myself placing so much of the blame on the coaching staff, and so little on the players themselves...and that seems such an odd feeling. Even in the extreme cases of Wheeler and Ellerbe, I find myself wondering how two players who played well in different systems have struggled so mightily here, and I can't help but be left with the overall feeling that this coaching staff is almost 100% to blame. Now that Martin and Incognito are gone, I even find myself feeling sorry for the O-Line, as opposed to cursing at them because I just feel that every single one of our players has just been left out on an island this season to fight for themselves with absolutely zero direction.

    So the short answer is I'd fire the entire coaching staff.
     
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  5. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Coaching and GM. Let the new people figure out which personnel stays or goes.
     
  6. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I wouldn't fire anyone. Give them 3 years to implement their system and see what happens.
     
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  8. brandon27

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    Everyone is fair game IMO... except for:

    Tannehill (with competition)
    Grimes
    Starks
    Soliai
    Wake
    Hartline
    Gibson
    Matthews
    Clay
    Fields.

    That's about it probably, which is sad really. However given the state of the quality of talent on the roster, it shoudlnt be a surprise. Of course there's others I'd keep, but this would be a list of untouchables.

    Please take special note of the fact there are no coaches or GM on this list. Philbin I'm iffy on... I think he can be good, but he's got to show the balls to ditch his friends on this staff, and find the right people who will adjust to the players strengths and weaknesses, rather than be stubborn and try to fit square pegs into round holes.
     
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  9. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Until this game I was with you.

    Can you elaborate what your thoughts are and why you would let Philbin have more time?
     
  10. Desides

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    I'd keep Tannehill, Grimes, Pouncey, and Dion Jordan. The rest is either expendable or don't play important enough positions to be worth worrying about too much.

    We should seriously consider the possibility of trading Wake, IMO.
     
  11. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    NOT WHO WOULDN'T I FIRE BUT WHO WOULD I FIRE

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  12. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Replacing Tannehill is a moronic notion.
     
  13. unifiedtheory

    unifiedtheory Sub Pending Luxury Box

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    Blow it up, from a front office perspective.

    Hire a GM and let him decide on everything.
     
  14. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    3 MORE years you mean.
     
  15. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I don't know if Tannehill is the long term answer at the QB position or not. Right now he is merely a very average QB and he played his two worse games of the season the past two weeks. If he doesn't show drastic improvement next year, I would hope the Dolphins take a QB in the first round of the 2015 draft.

    I like Starks, but I don't see him remaining with the Dolphins next year unless they franchise him again. I think he will get more money with another team in free agency and I don't think he really likes playing for this coaching staff. I think promoting Odrick over him as the starting DT is something he isn't going to forget, once he is a free agent.

    To me Odrick is a very average DT, but with all the other needs on this team, he will probably still be here for at least one more year.

    Wake appeared to be slowing down as the season came to a conclusion. He applied no pressure today and he had a bad game last week against the Bills. Hopefully he will be effective next year, but I think at his age, his best years are probably behind him. If they could get a #1 or high #2 draft pick for him, they might have to consider trading him, as he will be 31 years old when the 2014 season begins.

    I would only want the Dolphins to try and keep Carroll if he is willing to play for a relatively cheap contract. He is a decent backup CB, but they need to upgrade this position opposite Grimes. Of course I agree that they should try and keep Grimes if they can.

    Clemmons is what he is. A very average safety who NEVER comes up with a big play in a game. Just like with Carroll, keep him if you can get him cheaply, but do everything you can to upgrade this position.

    I'm okay with keeping the WR's, as long as Wallace is willing to renegotiate his contract. He just counts far too much against next years cap, relative to what his value on the field is.

    I think McKinney came in and did an alright job, but I certainly hope they can upgrade the LT position. I just don't see McKinney being better next year and at his age, I suspect he will not even be as good as he was this year and that really wasn't very good.

    The fact is that when you look at this overall team. It just isn't very talented. You have a few very good players and an awful lot of very average to bad players on the roster. In fact the Bills proved this year that they are more talented than the Dolphins by beating them twice. Today the Jets showed they have a better defense than the Dolphins. In fact if Smith had not had so many turnovers as the Jets QB. It would be the Jets who would probably be in the playoffs this year.

    Talent wise, the Dolphins are behind the other teams in the AFC East right now. So hopefully Ross will hire someone to come in and get this team headed in the right direction. I don't believe Ireland is the right GM for the job and I have no faith that Philbin is the right man to be the HC of this team. Hopefully the firings will commence immediately and we can look forward to next season with a new regime picking the talent and coaching the players on the field.
     
  16. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Bills have had the best drafts lately but are still missing a Qb . How is Karlos dansby a pro bowl player again? Coaching.
     
  17. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Wow.
    Rainbow and lolipopping at its finest.
     
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  18. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    The last I checked, Ireland has been the GM for 6 years and they haven't had a single winning season in their last five years. So I think it is fairly obvious that his system for selecting talent for this roster DOESN"T work. He should be fired before Ross's head hits the pillow tonight.
     
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  19. LBsFinest

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  20. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I agree that against the better teams in the league, the Bills need better play at the QB position. Unfortunately the Dolphins can't be considered as one of those better teams and the Bills could probably have played a JV QB against the Dolphins this year and still won the two games they played against the Dolphins this year.
     
  21. rapidturtle

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    They need to fire everyone from Ireland right on down. You just ****ing lost to two teams in the division man. I mean WTF??? And those two teams arent' even New England
     
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  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    During Ireland's tenure as GM: 56-60. 'Nuff said.
     
  23. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Okay, ….. so everyone wants to fire everyones.. we get it.

    Who WOULDN'T you get rid of (player/coaches)?

    There's 17 threads about chopping everyone's heads off. This one actually is looking at who stays. Supposedly.
     
  24. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Yup.

    And to add my dig towards the coaches....the "flat" feeling this team has damn near EVERY game is beyond frustrating.
     
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  25. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I think the guy who looks like Gary Coleman does a fantastic job....whatever he does...
     
  26. Phoenician Fan

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    It isn't that simple. You can love a player but still trade,release, or let the guy walk, if it is what you have to do build your team right.

    Money is also a HUGE factor. Grimes for example: A great player that everyone loves may walk because of age,injury, and money considerations.

    Pouncey: Yes, even a great player like Pouncey could be traded. If the Dolphins get offered a 1st and a 3rd from say, the 49ers or Broncos, do they consider it??

    They might. Pouncey may be the lone surviving starter of this year's line. The Dolphins may not want him to become the defacto leader of the new offensive line. A new GM may want to build a whole new line of squeaky clean character guys.
     
  27. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Really I don't care. Fire them all first and let the new (hopefully competent) regime make the decisions on the position coaches and players.

    I am not being hyperbolic when I say that I don't think I can support this team (at least at the level I have) with the current regime and coaches
     
  28. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I would love to give you a hundred fist pumps for this comment, but unfortunately they only allow one per customer.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Keepers, for various reasons:
    Tannehill
    Matt Moore
    L. Miller
    Gillislee
    Hartline
    Wallace
    Matthews
    Gibson
    Marlon Moore
    Clay
    Egnew
    Sims
    Pouncey
    Yeatman
    Wake
    Vernon
    Jordan
    Shelby
    Odrick
    Starks resign
    Soliai resign
    Francis
    Misi
    Jenkins
    Grimes resign
    Carroll resign
    Wilson
    Clemons resign
    M. Thomas
    Taylor
    Davis
    D. Jones
    Fields
    Denney
     
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  30. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I'd feel completely comfortable with Dion Jordan taking of Philip Wheeler's role in the defense, and just eating Wheeler's cap space and releasing him. It sucks, but there's no need to prolong what we have with him and Ellerbe
     
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  31. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I'll throw mine in for you !
     
  32. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    So Pitt is going to the playoffs at 8-8 ?

    Help us with the draft slot?
     
  33. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member

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    This - Matt Moore (at least at 4M) Yeatman and Nolan Carroll...these guys I can take em or leave em
    Add: Kacy Rodgers and Dan Campbell
     
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  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not sure whom you mean, but maybe that's RB coach Jeff Nixon. What is it that you like about him?
     
  35. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Nothing particular, I'm just being a smartass.
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd probably be ok with keeping the DBs coaches too. Lou Anarumo, Blue Edwards, and Jeff Burris.

    Yeatman should be cheap, and I like his skillset. Probably no reason to get rid of Devlin either.
     
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  37. Boik14

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    Not gonna sit here and argue over Will Yeatman. I can take or leave him as a reserve though I dont see much reason to keep him.
     
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  38. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    who wouldn't I get rid of: only the players

    This is Ross' defining moment as owner. His and the Phins Respectability and reputation will be defined for the next 15 - 20 yrs. Which will have a lot to do with who does and does not want to come here. Both player and coach alike.
     
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  39. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    My list:
    Tannehill
    Wake
    Starks
    Odrick
    Grimes
    Clemons
    Carroll
    Clay
    Gibson
    Hartline
    Pouncey
    Fields


    All others can/must go.
     
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  40. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box


    Curious on your reasoning for the names above. I agree on the others.
     

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