Why do a lot of people here not have faith in Brian Hartline?

Because he's white. There, I said it.

His 4.49 doesnt help him catch the ball or beat #1 CBs that he's facing at times while Brandon is doubled IIRC.

He simply is not consistently good enough right now to be a reliable and effective #2. He would serve us just fine as a #4 (while he develops) where there's much less pressure on him to perform.

He regressed this year and is just not reliable. He obviously let off the field problems (truck incident, talking about getting a divorce on twitter)effect his game.

"CashInFist wrote:

I always thought this guy was an overachiever here, and that is what we all wanted in our players, right?

Contrary to popular belief, Brian Hartline ran a 4.49 forty time at his pro day, in the 4.5's everywhere else. That is fast enough when you combine his 6'2 frame to go with it. He can jump up and get passes better than the shorter WRs.

He was a rookie last year for cryin' out loud...

Hartline has shown great progression since he was drafted in his couple of handful of games. I really think he could stick here for a long time.

I have to agree with the FO when they passed on Randy Moss. I would have been happy if we got him, but I was not as high on it as some others were.

I really like Hartline. Just believe he may take until next year to develop a consistent game. This lack of a move may accelerate the process.

Aside from what was mentioned, the addition that would have relegated him to being a 4th receiver is Hall of Fame bound and would add an element of fear to the offense that would open up opportunities for other players...namely Bess and Hartline (in 4 receiver sets). Imo, that is another caveat to consider when you see the Hartline bashing on the forum recently.

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Miami Dolphins drop the ball in opportunity to get Randy Moss

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Running scared. That's what the Miami Dolphins were doing Wednesday.

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"lmeister3 wrote:

Because he's white. There, I said it.

The Colts WRs arent all that tan,, and they look pretty freakin good to me...:up:

Mostly because he acts like he has this http://hartkeisonline.com/wp-content/uploads/butter.jpgall over his hands this year

His YAC yards have disappeared

He disappears for a game at time.

He drops to many passes

His fumble in the Steelers game looked Ginnish

Hartline was tearing the NFL up last yr, what happened to him?

I thought with Beast across from him he would have a huge year, instead he is mediocre, like a BK knock off McMuffin.

"padre31 wrote:

His YAC yards have disappeared

He disappears for a game at time.

He drops to many passes

His fumble in the Steelers game looked Ginnish

Hartline was tearing the NFL up last yr, what happened to him?

I thought with Beast across from him he would have a huge year, instead he is mediocre, like a BK knock off McMuffin.

So we only give our young WRs one-and-a-half years to become elite now? I didn't get that memo. :tongue2:

"CashInFist wrote:

So we only give our young WRs one-and-a-half years to become elite now? I didn't get that memo. :tongue2:

Playing up to your abilities would be a nice start. I so want him to breakout so I can get his jersey with CORNBREAD on the back.

"CashInFist wrote:

So we only give our young WRs one-and-a-half years to become elite now? I didn't get that memo. :tongue2:

It is all about impatient fans who don't understand the development process.
You know now the theme for the rest of the season will be Hartline bashing and lots of bitching because we didn't go after Moss the douche.

"CashInFist wrote:

So we only give our young WRs one-and-a-half years to become elite now? I didn't get that memo. :tongue2:

Yep, this "time to develop" is the biggest bunch of horse**** to ever be foisted on NFL fans, this is a right now league, if you cannot do the job, then why are you there?

How about if fans say "I'm developing my finances so I'm going to pay half price for my ticket, if you perform, I'll pay off the balance"?

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

Playing up to your abilities would be a nice start. I so want him to breakout so I can get his jersey with CORNBREAD on the back.

It's not that I don't like Hartline's game, but do keep in mind we peddled Greg Camarillo and passed on Randy Moss so he can play, those are no small things.

Hartline has to justify that confidence in him not by having 200 yd/3 TD's days, those however would be nice, but by making the plays he is supposed to make.

"padre31 wrote:

Yep, this "time to develop" is the biggest bunch of horse**** to ever be foisted on NFL fans, this is a right now league, if you cannot do the job, then why are you there?

How about if fans say "I'm developing my finances so I'm going to pay half price for my ticket, if you perform, I'll pay off the balance"?

No one comes into Dan Henning's offense immediately and thrives.
Just ask Brandon Marshall.
Another reason I didn't want Moss. Yeah sad but it is true.
The other reason I wanted no part of Moss is because he is a crybaby headcase.
I'll stick to watching Hartline come around.

Brian Hartline is no different than any other young players we have on our team. They're a work in progress and will have moments of domination, and their WTF moments. I like Hartline and think he is much better than his inconsistent self that he's been this season. Fans in general are pretty dumb. People ignore inexperience and want to move on to the next player as soon as they see struggle. You have to have patience and remember it's a process for these young guys.

Honestly, Brian is my favorite player, hell I even bought a customized jersey of his. While I do think he has not played as well this year but you can't deny that if he did not make those two plays on that game winning drive we could be 3 and 4 in the league.

Plus he is only in his second year, how many times have we used the it will take time to develop excuse on Henne.

Hartline will improve and now that I look back on it Moss might have helped his career. Moss and Marshall would have been covered by top db's leaving Bess and Hartline covered by less stellar DB's and would be getting more balls thrown their way.

"padre31 wrote:

Yep, this "time to develop" is the biggest bunch of horse**** to ever be foisted on NFL fans, this is a right now league, if you cannot do the job, then why are you there?

How about if fans say "I'm developing my finances so I'm going to pay half price for my ticket, if you perform, I'll pay off the balance"?

Hmmm... I like that. I'm going to have to make that proposal to my divorce attorney. :hi5:

"padre31 wrote:

Yep, this "time to develop" is the biggest bunch of horse**** to ever be foisted on NFL fans, this is a right now league, if you cannot do the job, then why are you there?

How about if fans say "I'm developing my finances so I'm going to pay half price for my ticket, if you perform, I'll pay off the balance"?

Umm, you're wrong. Players DO need time to develop. Just because a select few rookies and second years players come into the league and perform at a high level from the start doesn't mean all players should have that kind of expectation.

"padre31 wrote:

Yep, this "time to develop" is the biggest bunch of horse**** to ever be foisted on NFL fans, this is a right now league, if you cannot do the job, then why are you there?

So what you are saying is Henne should not be our QB along with the other members of the team that don't play well immediately out of college, of course there's development needed.

I'd like to see you go on the field right now and play good, or no great by your standards. Just like when you try a new sport or hobby it will take time to learn, chances are you won't be great immediately.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Umm, you're wrong. Players DO need time to develop. Just because a select few rookies and second years players come into the league and perform at a high level from the start doesn't mean all players should have that kind of expectation.

Wait?!? So let me get this straight... You're saying that because of a FEW we shouldn't expect the same from ALL? I thought everyone was blessed with the same gifts as, well, everyone. So much for all are created equal.

Man, it's always the few ruining it for the rest of us! :tongue2:

"ToddsPhins wrote:

His 4.49 doesnt help him catch the ball or beat #1 CBs that he's facing at times while Brandon is doubled IIRC.

He simply is not consistently good enough right now to be a reliable and effective #2. He would serve us just fine as a #4 (while he develops) where there's much less pressure on him to perform.

Actually ToddsPhins, he's playing the Z receiver which makes him the number 1.

"Zod wrote:

Actually ToddsPhins, he's playing the Z receiver which makes him the number 1.

think bess got the start last week - can I say diminished role

"padre31 wrote:

His YAC yards have disappeared

He disappears for a game at time.

He drops to many passes

His fumble in the Steelers game looked Ginnish

Hartline was tearing the NFL up last yr, what happened to him?

I thought with Beast across from him he would have a huge year, instead he is mediocre, like a BK knock off McMuffin.

He did fumble ,but he also cought the next balls to make up for it . No one perfect he aint no moss but he a pretty darn good player. :hi5: also everyone has there bad days even the best..