I don't think that's what AP was getting at. But touche' for using his efforts against him. lol. No offense to you friend AP. That is a disturbing coincidence to be honest. That's a long list of QBs who never were. Definitely makes you think.
oh i'm sorry was andre ware the next marino if not for henning. perhaps chris weinke was the next peyton manning and we didnt even know. man if it had just been for better coaching, alex van pelt would have been john elway. laughable indeed. i mean its a well known fact ten franchise QBs are drafted every year and nine of them are ruined by their coaches
This idea that Henning has always had bad QB play is false. Most of the bad QB play he's gotten is from QB's he drafted/signed himself. QB Coach of the Oilers: 1972: Dan Pastorini. 3rd overall pick the year prior. Bust. Can't really fault Henning here since he only coached him 1 year. QB Coach of the Jets: 1976: Joe Namath. Already Established. 1977: Richard Todd. Drafted with the 6th overall pick in 1976 while Henning was there. Bust. 1978: Matt Robinson: Drafted in the 9th round in 1977 while Henning was there. Bust. QB coach of the Dolphins: 1979: Bob Griese. Already Established. 1980: David Woodley. Drafted that year in the 8th round. Average player. OC of the Redskins: 1981-82: Joe Theisman. 7th-8th season in the league. Already established. HC of the Falcons: 1983: Steve Bartkowski: Already Established. Good QB. 1983 was a great year for him. 1984: Bartkowski and Mike Moroski. Moroski was a scrub, brought there by Henning. 1985: David Archer. Picked up by Henning as a UDFA. Bust. 1986: Archer and Turk Schonert. Schonert was picked up as a FA that year by Henning. Scrub. OC of the Redskins: 1987: Jay Schroeder: Decent QB play. 1988: Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. Pretty good QB play. Thanks to Gibbs of course, he was a master of getting something out of nobodies. HC of the Chargers: 1989: Jim McMahon. Was benched for poor play after Henning traded a 2nd round pick for him. Rookie Billy Joe Tolliver who Henning drafted in the 2nd round took over for him. He was a bust. 1990: Billy Joe Tolliver. Read above. 1991: John Friesz. Drafted by Henning in the 6th round the year prior. Bust. OC for the Lions: 1992-1993: Rodney Peete. Average QB. Andre Ware. Bust, not drafted by Henning. Erik Kramer. Average. Barry Sanders had 2 of his worst seasons of his career under Henning. OC of the Bills: 1997: Todd Collins. Average. Jets QB Coach/OC: 1998: Vinny Testeverde. Already Established. Had one of the best seasons of his career. 1999: Ray Lucas. Actually played pretty good. Rick Mirer sucked though. 2000: Vinny Testeverde. Average. OC of the Panthers: 2002: Brought in Rodney Peete whom he coached in Detroit. Mediocre. 2003-2006 Brought in Jake Delhomme. Possibly the only right decision Henning ever made with QB's. Went on to have some good years. OC of the Dolphins: 2008: Chad Pennington. Brought in by Henning. Had a good year playing one of the easiest schedules ever. 2009-2010 Chad Henne. Drafted by Henning. Bust. So there you have it. Henning has never had success as a playcaller (Joe Gibbs was primary playcaller in Washington). He's never had success developing QB's. He hasn't made great decisions bringing in his own QB's whether through the draft or in FA. The majority of his career is filled with mediocre/bad offenses and losing seasons. The guy is terrible at adjusting his offenses to cater to strengths and hide weaknesses. The guy is terrible at adjusting his offense during a game. The guy calls plays that worked in the 1980's, not realizing that it's 2010 and the NFL is much, much different than it was back then. Luckily, the guy will "retire" at the end of the year, and the offense will miraculously improve.
this is a joke right? dan henning was the guy who was up in the booth and he and gibbs would decide which plays to call. once again you go through a litany of unsubstantiated slanders of the guy that have no basis in reality. we're talking about him as an offensive coordinator not a coach or GM. You are right that as a head coach or a GM, Dan Henning could be considered a failure. But as to never developing QBs who was Jake Delhomme before or after him which you acknowledge at least. If you want to say he never developed anyone you would need to show a QB who succeeded after Henning left to make your point. That would show there was some latent talent that Henning couldnt get out of him but some other coach could. To say that he couldnt coach Andre Ware into becoming a pro bowl QB and therefore is a failure is sloppy reasoning. It is not an offensive coordinator's responsibility to bring in QBs, its the coach's and GMs so why you would blame Henning for that is just anther sign that you are trying to attribute negatives to him that dont belong. I have shown you why a statement like "a majority of his offenses have been poor" is false and a superficial examination of his coaching prowess. You say he's horrible adjusting, yet there are almost no games where the game plan doesnt change in the 2nd half. Last week we ran the first half, then adjusted and threw the 2nd half just for a recent example. Just the simple common sense fact that he's won two SB rings and been in a 3rd would tell you that he knows how to adjust or if you want to play the juvenile senility card he knew how to adjust as recently as 2003. You dont get into the SB without being able to adjust. you say these plays dont work yet charlie weiss is winning with these plays. Al Saunders, cam cameron? how is that possible if these plays dont work anymore when these teams are leading their divisions? If the Ravens win the Supoer Bowl does it prove that the Gibbs/ Coryell system is the best system to run? what changed in the NFL where what worked in 2003 doesnt work today?
