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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 2socks, Jan 19, 2014.
Why not Joe Philbin for GM
Because he has a hard enough time trying to be a leader as a head coach.
Disclaimer: This is not Bill Lazer's record. He is OBVIOUSLY a QB coach. This is simply a demonstration of the winning environment the guy has been in his entire career.
1994-2000 assistant coach Cornell
2001-2002 assistant coach Buffalo
2003 Assistant Atlanta Falcons
2004-2005 Assistant Washington Redskins
2006-2007 QB Washington Redskins
2008-2009 QB Seattle Seahawks
2010-2012 QB/OC Virginia
2013 QB Philidelphia Eagles
2005 10-6 lost first round of playoffs
2013 10-6 lost first round of playoffs
combined record 112 - 145
So, what you're saying is... we have a shot at a 10-6 record and a playoffs berth?
I'll take it.
That is what you gain from that post?
lol maybe more like 6 - 10. That is a .435 career win %.
Keep drinking that cool-aid then because how a 112 - 145 career record translates into 10-6 is a mystery
No thanks... it's been well documented that majority of coaches can't handle both jobs. Not even Shula did well being both especially during the Marino years.
You're the first person to ever attach a win/loss record to a QB coach. This puts a lot into perspective.
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I think Joe Philbin has more than he can handle already. Let's not add anymore or his brain might explode.
Forgot who's on these boards. Better start out with a disclaimer so nobody get's their panties in a wad FIXED
Without a winning culture this franchise will continue to struggle moving forward. They will not have a winning culture if they continue to fill coaching spots with people who don't have a clue what a winning culture looks like.
Obviously it will be a long long time before the Miami Dolphins will never have one. Because simply put, it seems as if most of you guys are satisfied with mediocre, and mediocre you will get when your upper brass keep filling the coaching staff with people who have no idea what a winning culture looks like. It's the same reason you will welcome Ray farmer as the next GM of the Miami Dolphins. Cleveland has had 1 winning season in the last 10 years? 2007 (10-6) they didn't even make the playoffs
How many of those seasons was Farmer part of the Browns organization?
Dude you are missing the whole point.
You can not build a winning structure when the very coaches building it don't know what it looks like.
This was an opportunity to bring in someone from a winning organization. Philbin chose to pass.
Guarantee we double down on Ray Farmer.
Better yet, why Joe Philbin? What makes you think he's qualified?
Let Joe Philbin determine his destiny.
It is obvious they plan on moving forward with the same scouts, the same personal people as last year.
So let Philbin get his report and choose who HE wants on the team.
Then there is no one to blame for why he doesn't have the players he needs. It's so easy to pick who's got the goods and who doesn't.
He doesn't have to answer to anyone and the power structure can stay just the way it is. Aponte and Philbin are tight. Aponte can provide all the index card's Joe needs and she can ride on the Jet or is it in the Jet, without anyone getting pissed.
Philbin even can blame the Cap on Aponte if she doesn't get it done.
Seems like a win win for Philbin
What winning culture was Belichick a part of? And all of his assistants that have failed over and over again; they came from cultures of success, why weren't they able to replicate it? What about Philbin? Another winning organization, hasn't replicated it.
Mike McCarthy was a 49ers offensive coordinator on an awful team. I believe he coordinated the league's 30th ranked offense before he was hired. Te Packers have done nothing but winning since then.
The point of this being is that history is riddled with examples countering your point that coming from a winning organization makes someone more likely to succeed, and vica versa. The interview process should be used to find someone with fresh ideas, and a concrete plan. What you're suggesting is hilariously short sighted.
Bellicheck is the winning culture. Are you watching the AFC Championship? I believe Bellicheck is involved. He's the guy wearing the head set with the scowl on his face
Mike McCarthy is a bad example of your point. He went to a system already installed and was working within that system. It's called Marty Ball for a reason.
Learning from a winning culture:
1993 11-5 Kansas City
1994 9-7 Kansas City
1995 13-3 Kansas City
1996 9-7 Kansas City
1997 13-3 Kansas City
Under Marty Shottenheimer (.6875)
1999 8-8 Greenbay Packers
Under 1rst year coach Ray Rhodes
2000 10-6 New Orleans Saints
2001 7-9 New Orleans Saints
2002 9-7 New Orleans Saints
2003 8-8 New Orleans Saints
2004 8-8 New Orleans Saints
Under Mike Ditka and Jim Haslett
2005 4-12 San Francisco 49ers
Under Mike Nolan, 1 or 6 different coaches in 7 years (sound familiar)
Almost everything he learned he learned from Marty Shottenheimer who's career record is 200-126 (.613)
You also forgot to mention Aaron Rodgers - How convenient
And before New England? He was failed hard in Cleveland. Why didn't he establish that culture there? What about all of his assistants that failed? You didn't mention them.
McCarthy wasn't able to get anything out of that 9ers roster. Why do you think that is?
I did not forget to mention Rodgers. I'm of the opinion that the players on the field matter much more than the coaches on the sidelines, which is why I think the incredulity of the Lazor hiring is weird to me.
To bring this back to GM talk? You literally know anything about him. None of us. All we know is that he's been a part of a bad organization. You don't know what his player evaluations were and what kind of power he had. What if he's been money in his player evaluation but the FO consensus has been to go in other directions? Unfortunately, only the interview group has all the information.
It's just all so damn silly. We don't have any clue what kind of job he's done.
I don't need to know. If he was all that they would have promoted him. Trust me. They may be a bad franchise but they are not stupid. It's the same with the guy from Tampa. His own team didn't even interview him for the GM job. But he came here and had a 2 day interview. 2 days - wow that's quite an interview. Great for him. Just comes from a franchise with a history of being terrible, except for the Gruden days. More proof really that it starts at the top.
I can see clearly now.
Your probably correct when you say knowing the job he has done we probably don't know. What I do know I am disappointed to learn. We need people who come from winning cultures. People who are used to going the extra mile. People who are used to having expectations levels of their performance set at very high levels. People who stay late after the players and other coaches have already left. These are the types of character traits and loyalty that can not be taught. Intangibles that set the winners apart for the average teams. There really does take more to be #1.
What we gained is that you are judging the ability of a QB coach/OC based on the W-L record of the entire team he was part of.
LMAO. Farmer isn't a coach. He spent 1 season in Cleveland so you want to equate him with the mindset of a perennial loser regardless of where he was or what he did before that.
Philbin came from a culture of winning in Green Bay, but you don't mention that or consider it a plus for him.
You're missing the point. I'm pretending to know what I'm talking about so if you challenge my logic, of course it won't make sense.
Ray Farmer is not a coach. This is not his record. These are the records of the teams he has been associated with. His winning culture runs deep!!!
2013 Cleveland Browns 4-12
2012 Kansas city chiefs 2-14
2011 Kansas City Chiefs 7-9
2010 Kansas city Chiefs 10-6 lost first round of playoffs
2009 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12
2008 Kansas City Chiefs 2-14
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 4-12
2006 Kansas City Chiefs 9-7 lost first round
2005 Atlanta Falcons 8-8
2004 Atlanta Falcons 11-5 lost 2nd round
2003 Atlanta Falcons 5-11
2002 Atlanta Falcons 9-7
2001 Duke Football 0-11
Combined record 75 - 128
point, set and match. Thanks for playing.