How about the fact that Ross hired a committee to do his job.

 

That is a HUGE indictment right there alone.

 

He should lose his job, but I think it's hard to be convinced at this point. I'm hoping that the Bucs game was a pretty big shovelful of dirt.

 

I'll be sure to bump this thread during the offseason. It'll be good for a laugh.

 

Should all of the 4-5 head coaches be fired? How about 5-5, where's the cut off?

 

They are failing. They continue to fail rather than try new things. That's the Wannstedt mentality. We don't need Wannstedt II. At least you could sympathize with Cameron, although he had no clue. There's a reason why Saban took a good look at how this franchise was set up and fled.

 

Not all 4-5 coaches are 1-5 in their last 6 games and in the middle of an embarrassing and low point in there franchises history...under his watch.

 

Forgot to add Wallace and Tannehill?

 

There's evidence of virtually every single aspect of coaching being done poorly in this team. They frequently look unprepared, unmotivated, are unable to handle adversary, have consistently make huge mistakes and fold in key situations, have a poisonous locker-room, and they have underachieved relative to their talents.

There's literally nothing to recommend Philbin and Co. on at this point.

 

Depends on the outcome of the next 3-4 games.

Typical Dolphins: we win one of the next 4, probably against the Jest

Hopeful Dolphins: we win 3 of the next 4 and December football matters

Suspect Philbin is by nature a Coach who delegates, he trusts his unit coaches and so on, if they fail him it then falls back on him as HE choose them to lead their squads.

This is why I think the Fireland Banner is hogwash, we are still in the hunt for the playoffs, the 2013 season is still ongoing.

 

But other than that..you gotta agree..he's been great...

 

guys..how long have you been Dolphin Fans?

You know what's coming. They are gonna win 3 in a row.

Then get ready for an epic collapse.

it's WHAT WE DO.

 

I think Ross hired a committee because things are going to get ugly. I'm thinking blackmail.

 

Nick had total control of how the organization worked. That is not the reason he left.

 

I don't disagree with any of that.

But I do try to have some perspective, especially when it comes to long term decision making. They're in year 2 and it's been ugly as of late but it's not time to hit the panic button IMO.

 

You're missing the point. The best coaches are always the ones who just left and the ones who are coming in next.

 

Sect, u know better, first they have to be eliminated from any serious playoff contention THEN we win 3 gms that **** our draft position..voila!

We pick 16th in the draft again.

8-8/7-9

Typical Dolphins..not good enough to win consistently, just good enough to not draft with high picks to build a better roster.

Oh consider the irony, we let Long walk, pass on taking a LT at #3..then draft a guy who plays 9 snaps in a loss to an 0-8 team..to quote Lombardi..."what the hell is going on out there!!!"

 

I don't think hiring a head coach with the mindset to give him 1-2 years to accomplish his goals of producing a winning team is reasonable. What coach would come work for you if he knew the first year he started to put things together with new players and staff then in year 2 at the midway point if he wasn't above .500 there would be conversation of him being replaced? It's a bad plan.

 

According to 90% of the forum Philbin was a helluva coach 4-5 weeks ago. Now all of a sudden he sucks?


That's called playing the result.

 

B/c all that matters in the NFL IS results.

 

The problem this coaching staff (and Ireland) are facing that this was the year the problems were supposed to be tweaked and things working--money was spent, winning tweaks made. They failed at that, they have already failed, Ireland for the second and third time. Once you fail, the trust is structurally shaken. You fail 3 times like Ireland, it's gone.

 

RIP ... JUST WIN BABY ... like him or loathe him , Al Davis had this right.

 

Exactamundo, this is some Twilight-Zone stuff people are talking.

 

The cut off is if the new GM decides to turf him, that's the only opinion that matters.

I don't mind Philbin, I think his staff is garbage and I don't think he has the fortitude to fire the people who should be fired.

 

I thought you were going to say because fans have the luxury of calling for people's heads w/o any fear of the repercussions.

 

Wait, who's the new GM?

 

Salary Cap killed him tho, the era of instant results is not really possible any more.

Consider the reason why divisional winners and playoff teams have such a huge turnover yr to yr, b/c good teams remain good, the teams that took advantage of weak schedules then play those consistently good teams the next yr and get their butts kicked.

Hitting on draft picks, developing a Qb, are the new keys to long term consistent winning.

In the meantime though, you simply must have guys with their heads in the gm, this is where Philbin is failing...to many plays that can't happen are happening.

THAT is coaching

Wally Buono GOT that to a "T", he would move guys out in a moment, coaches, whomever, you perform or you are sat down or cut ASAP

 

Of course we are playing the result, sports is a results business.

IF he gets credit for the team playing well, he gets the blame if they are playing poorly.

 

I forgot, you don't think Jeff Ireland should be fired.

 

I don't think Jeff Ireland WILL be fired. Very different.

 

Don't disagree with your points that you listed , but that still points to just win baby . How you arrive at that changes as the game and rules change , but as you stated earlier it's all about winning. MIAMI hasn't done that enough , bottom line , add to that the mess we keep developing for ourselves , sayonara baby .

 

Then Steve Ross best be ready for 30,000+ empty seat, every game. This has now reached an economic level. Ross, in the end is about money. He had surrounded himself with people now (Taylor, Shula, Dungy, Marino etc) who don't have a dog in the Ireland fight. They will be objective when talking to Ross. The only people in the organization supporting Ireland are his staff (I assume) and, that's about it. Ross has Aponte (who's head should also be on a pike, right beside Ireland's) whispering sweet nothings into Ross' ears, firing Ireland whenever she can.

Unless this team runs off 6 - 7 wins over the balance of this season, pushing into the playoffs, he's a goner.

 

You can beat a dead horse but it's not gonna ever ride again.. Philbin, sure, Ireland sure, sherm, coyle, you name a person on this staff and there's a reason to fire him.. The major problem with this team is we brought in cancer into this locker room.. There is no leadership at all, nobody is on the sideline getting the team ready... This team seems content with jes getting paid... Wallace should be pissed off right now but he seems content... Never bring in a group of player with fat wallets.. There no more drive...Luke kuechly isn't content cuz he's poor.. Elliberby is a fat rat with a ring... Ultimately it's on joe to motivate these guys.. This offseason we need players who are hungry, no one on this team is hungry... Guys playing grab *** in the locker room, coaches refusing to pull a player cuz he's rich... The season isn't over but I hope (as a long time diehard dolphin born and raised in ft pierce fla) we go 6-10....

 

He's a goner even if this team win's 7 games over the balance of the season.

 

I think if you look at the results for the team thus far they appear to be playing to the level of their competition. The first half vs New England was probably the best football we've played since Philbin got here. The first half vs Tampa might have been the worst. We beat Cleveland and Indy on the road then lose to Baltimore and Buffalo at home. We beat Cincy on a short week then lose to Tampa after a long break.

That wreaks of players who get up for "big" games while taking lesser opponents lightly and not coming ready to play. Some people will put that on coaching but that's not really a coaching issue IMO b/c coaches stress the importance of EVERY opponent. You definitely can't put it on the talent level (GM) b/c we're beating good teams and losing to bad ones.

At some point you have to blame the guys who are actually on the field.