Report: Dolphins knew Bess had incident before trading him
Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2014, 11:38 AM EST
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It’s unknown — and arguably irrelevant — whether the Browns knew about the troubling offseason incident involving former Dolphins receiver Davone Bess before trading for him.
According to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, the Dolphins knew. And they didn’t disclose anything about Bess while trying to trade him.
From a short-term strategic perspective, the decision to remain silent made sense. Buy low, sell high, buyer beware. But as Salguero points out, fleecing another team via trade makes it harder to do business in the future, since other teams will find it harder to trust the Dolphins.
Ideally, the Browns would have known about Bess. Even more ideally, the Dolphins would have acknowledged that Bess had an off-field issue that needed to be fully investigated before flipping fourth-round picks with Miami, sending a fifth-round and seventh-round pick to the Dolphins, and committing to paying Bess a fully-guaranteed base salary of $2.683 million in 2013 and $3.067 million in 2014 as part of a three-year extension done after the trade. (There’s a de-escalator for 2014, but it’s unclear what causes the salary to drop, and by how much.)
So while the Browns may merit some blame for not knowing about Bess, the Dolphins deserve criticism, too, for not being honest about the situation. Even though G.M. Jeff Ireland is now gone (and the Bess mess could make it harder for him to get a new job), others in the front office who knew or should have known about Bess surely remain, which will make other teams leery about working out trades with the Dolphins even after a new G.M. is hired.
Can somebody please explain to me why the ****ing media keeps trying to destroy the dolphins from top to bottom?
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shula_guy Well-Known Member
Because the hens need something to cackle about.
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Reason why we traded him away was because of Gibson. If Gibson did not sign with us Bess would have stayed a Dolphin. I mean come on, the guy has never showed anything but great work ethic and conditioning. He's always been in top shape and you don't become as reliable as he was on third downs by procrastinating. All of what he's going through right now has got to be something bigger than football and I hope he gets well soon. Also hope the Browns give him the proper attention he needs.
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This team needs some breaks but they will have to create them by being smart. Smart is not a description for this organization over the last 13 years. Wanny is the Yoda of Dolphin football wisdom for the last decade. That kind of speaks for itself. It lingered while others tried to distance themselves. Hell, even Satan (Saban) couldn't overcome it. The curse of the Bambino or the Goat. Miami has the curse of the Stash and the luck of the "Irish". lol
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Sorry, this is business. Buyer beware, do your due diligence Browns.
Remember, this is a Browns squad that is so smart they fired their coach after one year, even though he was down to a seventh-string QB.DPlus47, FinSane, MikeHoncho and 2 others like this. -
Mental health issues, I believe, are confidential and can't be disclosed without the person's consent. Assuming that this is correct, it would have been illegal and immoral for the Dolphins inform the Browns or any other interested parties.
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Because the team does dumb, ****ty things all of the time.
Don't take it personally?ASOT, DPlus47, unifiedtheory and 3 others like this. -
once again my point is made on media & fan-base... it is what it is. hubris, there is no Chivalry in the Code of the NFL, only winning & losing. ask the best of the best, Bellicheat & the Patriots, the strong prevail & the weak go to the wall.
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Wtf!!This just came out.I have never seen a team bashed this much in the media in one season.Every week its a new story.Teams like the raiders and jags who are far worse than us are not in the media this much.Whats with all the hate?
Report suggests Dolphins players don’t respect their coaches
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 19, 2014, 12:28 PM EST
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The trouble in Miami may go beyond the departed General Manager Jeff Ireland and offensive coordinator Mike Sherman.
A report from Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald suggests that there are deep problems within the team, and that the locker room doesn’t think highly of the coaches.
“There’s not great respect for the coaching staff there,” one person described as “a close associate of several Dolphins players” told Jackson.
Two other unnamed sources told Jackson similar things.
“Criticism of the coaches is consistent with everyone I talk to on the team,” one source said. “You have some assistants who weren’t experienced or comfortable in their jobs. Some players said they didn’t learn much. It’s pretty disconcerting.”
Added another source, “There’s not a lot of great teaching there.”
In fairness to Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin and his staff, we have no idea which players these unnamed sources are talking to, and we have no idea whether that’s a majority opinion within the locker room — it could just be a few disgruntled Dolphins who are grousing about their coaches.
Or, it could be a sign of a significant problem in Miami. At the end of the season, with the playoffs on the line, the Dolphins looked like a team that had quit. These comments don’t do anything to change the perception that the coaches aren’t getting through to the players in Miami.
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People complain when you lose. People forget a murder when you win its funny how that works eh?
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Are you telling me that the same media that sucks Bob Kraft's erect **** better than the 20-something year old he was hooking up with months after his wife's passing, somehow has a bias against Miami?
This same media, that made absolutely no stink about the league's lack of punishment for the destroyed evidence circa Spygate?
Seriously. How could you suggest that this national football media... the same media that will cover up any knowledge of A-Hern's criminal past by the Patriots organization... that they intend to be gung-ho at dragging the Dolphins name through the mud now about Bess???
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That or the fact that Kraft got up and said they would be a hell of a lot more careful about the "character" of his players and do more investigating and then they trade for Blount and might win another SB because of it....
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If the patriots did this it'd be considered a brilliant personnel move and the browns are stupid for falling for it.
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I only say it because nobody does things as badly as Miami does. I blame all of this on Mr Ross a man so unpopular he makes Obama out to look like Ronald Reagan .
we need a new owner but no dolphin fan is rich enough to be a nfl owner.
I need to win the lottery so I can become the 2nd coming of Boone Pickens then I will buy the team .
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It's pretty obvious a lot of the news about us is based on rumors that a good percentage of the time isn't true but by all means keep quoting everything as factual. Fall for their bs and don't learn anything.
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You're paranoid buddy. You need to read what you're writing. To surmise "this goes all the way to the top, it's a conspiracy"
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How are the Dolphins destroying themselves? They traded a guy that was on the verge of a break down for a pick. The is a good move in my opinion.MikeHoncho likes this. -
shula_guy Well-Known Member
Some things that stand out to me in that article:
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Because this isn't 1970-2001. The Franchise has been a dysfunctional joke since about 2002, and is closer with the Raiders, Browns, Lions, & Bills then they are to the model franchises.
Its like when fans wonder why "ESPN & NFL Network & NBC don't respect us!!" Well, there is a reason for that...the Dolphins have been a disaster. They could start 5-0 next year and I wouldn't be shocked if they lost 6 in a row afterwards.ASOT, jdang307, LBsFinest and 1 other person like this. -
I found this to be a good thing. We made out on the deal and honestly it won't affect trades in the future. No one cares about previous deals. No one makes deals because they like or dislike the other team, they trade because they want a certain asset. No team in the NFL would have disclosed that information and it shouldn't be expected that we do.
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It's kind of shady though. I mean they knew there were issues and some people feel they should have told them about it. I am not sure if the Phins telling them what they knew is considered a professional courtesy or not.
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What I am trying to say is we obviously have respectability issues. People simply view this franchise as a mess. Doing things like this are not helping people's perceptions.
I personally dont' think what they did is any different then most of the trades that occur. No one discloses everything about a player being traded.
This is just the media taking the opportunity to pile it on. It's working. This is only the beginning. Wait until the report comes out about Incogmartin.
To gain back respectability these things can not happen. Or at least they need to be kept in house.
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