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Why You Should Believe in Matt Moore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'm not understanding. Either you're making these stats up, or you're looking at a different QB. I mean, the Dolphins only won 6 games in 2011...lol

    In 2011, starting with KC, these are Moore's stats:

    Starting Record: 6-3 (I only posted this because you're wrong and not because I think wins matter when talking individuals)
    Completions: 142
    Attempts: 232
    Comp%: 61%
    15 TD's
    5 INT's
    Average passer rating of 99
    Average Points on Offense: 24 (and that includes defensive scores)

    (Also, that passer rating is a little skewed too. He may have finished that 9 game streak with a 99, but only because we played a 6-10 Bills team twice and a 7-9 KC team where he killed it. In the other 6 games he had 2 90's, 1 80's, 1 70's, and 2 60's.)

    And, the Dolphins defense finished 6th that year.
     
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  2. cbrad

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    Rock is adding the 2 games from 2016 that Moore started in addition to those in 2011 from the KC game.
     
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  3. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    Hold up... Ryan has never played a single playoff game. To say he's straight up better than Matt Moore is insane. Tannehill has had a lot more game time, and put up some great #s. But look at MM stat history with the Dolphins.. He's done well. back-up 10 for the Dolphins I believe 10 times he started or came in and has a 88.4 rating with the Phins. Tannehill's career rating is 86.
     
  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Why? lol...Maybe I should add two random games to RT's stats...lol
     
  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Moore has never played in the postseason either. I'm not sure what any of what you posted has to do with one being better, however.

    I have one, fool proof, way of settling this.

    Who has been the starting QB their entire NFL career? Moore or RT? Who beat out who for the starting QB position?
     
  6. Kud_II

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    I'm not arguing who is better though. I'm saying it's premature to say RT is absolutely better QB than MM right now(playing in 2016.)

    I'm also not questioning who has the better resume to be the starting QB (RT) but quite obv. he's injured.
     
  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I specifically counted starts .... you know the games where he is the No.1 and preps as the No.1.

    Not hard to figure out ace. As a STARTING quarterback for the Miami Dolphins it's hard to argue against his contributions when he has been in there.

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  8. cbrad

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    My problem with Rock's stats isn't the 2 games from 2016 because his criteria is "games where Moore started" and the only two games Moore started after 2011 are the two in 2016.

    My problem is cherry picking the KC game as the starting point. My second problem is that you couldn't make the same argument while Moore was in Carolina because Moore started off well in 2007 but ended poorly in 2010.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01/gamelog/
     
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  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    It's no use answering him. He clearly wants to remain obtuse and argue all thread long ...... tooth and nail about Tanny in a thread about Moore. Psycho stuff.

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  10. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Why not count all of his NFL starts, sans his first 4, and then clarify this stupid methodology that doesn't mean ****? Ace...I mean, his starts in Carolina are half of his career starts.

    Oh, I know. Because his starts in Carolina don't count because they don't fit a certain stupid belief. Right? lol
     
  11. cbrad

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    Great thing about this thread though is that it has no influence whatsoever on whether we have a good backup QB and whether we made the playoffs for the first time since 2008 :smile:
     
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  12. Kud_II

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    Matt Moore's current rating in 3 games this year is 113.4. In 13 games this year RT 93.5(His best year as a Dolphin)

    Just some food for thought. Not trying to make any implications.
     
  13. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Because the argument was it takes 8 games to get adjusted.

    He played tough games against the Jets, Broncos, and Giants in his first 3 starts .... the latter two were closely contested. Then in his 4th start he and the offense found their footing together ... further illustrated by the performances thereafter AND the team record.

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  14. cbrad

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    OK.. but if the argument is that it takes 8 games why start at game 4?

    And how does the argument work while he was in Carolina?
     
  15. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Im not the one saying it HAS TO BE 8. That was perpetuated by other people. Moore found his footing in 4 based on the consistency thereafter.

    His lone starting year in Carolina is marred by a concussion, torn labrum, and qb swapping. It's not an accurate litmust test ...... if one is rational.

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  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Hold on, are we now saying that Philbin is a football mastermind or something? Because generally coaches who get fired aren't associated with making the best decisions.

    Moore is 2-0 as our starter this season (3-0 combined) and 6-3 in the previous season he started for us. Plus-

    - Moore has won in Buffalo twice. Tannehill has never won there.
    - Moore has won two division match-ups on the road in December. Tannehill hever has
    - This is the 2nd time (out of 2 seasons) Moore has posted a winning record in December. Tannehill never has in five seasons.
    - Moore has a 113.4 rating on the season, Tannehill has a 93.5.
    - Moore has a 3:1 TD/INT ratio on the season, Tannehill has a 1.6:1 ratio.

    I can see where some want to support Tannehill and say he's the better quarterback overall. But to keep this ridiculous narrative going that Tannehill is great and Moore is lousy- I just don't understand how some can be so naive. It's week 17 and Moore is unquestionably our starter...why are you guys so hell-bent on killing the vibe on the site with a fool-hardy argument that can't be won?
     
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  17. danmarino

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    Then why not start counting after his 8 starts in Carolina. lol...

    After his first 8 starts in Carolina he finished his playing time there with:

    55 comp%
    5TD
    10INT
    55 passer rating.

    Ohhh..that's why...haha
     
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  18. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    No one said that Moore was lousy. Every person here has said that we are glad and lucky he's our back-up. The argument is over those who think Moore should start, based off of 2 games, and those who have actually said that Moore is better than RT, after 2 games.
     
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  19. Rock Sexton

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    Because he played thru concussion and a torn labrum genius. You really gonna hold his feet to the fire like that in his first ever year starting? Is Tanny the only QB you will ever give that kind of consideration too?

    The answer is yes because all you're here to do is argue and it clearly kills you that Moore is proving capable.

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  20. cbrad

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    Yeah.. well I still frown on the starting from game 4 aspect the same way I frown on people looking at what Tannehill did only after we went 1-4, but whatever..

    As far as Carolina, Moore started 3 games in 2007 and then 5 games each in 2009 and 2010:
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01/gamelog/

    Moore was good from his first start in 2007 so he didn't need multiple games starting before he performed well. Of course he played snaps before that but he did so too for Miami (besides being on the sidelines and learning the playbook). So if Moore can come in and start in 2007 right off the bat with 92.8 rating which is way above average for that time, why is it suddenly the case he needed 3 games in 2011?
     
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  21. Rock Sexton

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    New team, new offense. I think I clearly stated that.

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  22. danmarino

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    I've written time and time again that he's capable. Please keep up.

    He's not half the QB RT is, however.
     
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  23. resnor

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    The eight games idea comes from Bruce Arians, and is about when you institute a whole new offensive scheme, it takes about eight games to get all the offensive players in sync. Basically, it's unfair to judge a QB, or offense in general, before that, as you aren't really seeing the offense as it should be run.
     
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  24. cbrad

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    2007 was his first team, first time learning to play in the NFL. What's the fundamental difference here?
     
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  25. Rock Sexton

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    Why are you arguing with me over who is better? Im not making a case for either. This is the damn "believe in Moore" thread. So we are discussing things to reinforce trust in him while Tanny is away.

    Quit trolling me already.

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  26. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Something being missed in all the Matt Moore gushing is that he has never carried a team alone. He has always played in balanced offensive attack with at least 1 stud WR where there was a rushing threat unlike the Philbin years where the run game was sparcely used and it was on the QB to succeed. Matt got a huge boon there not having to start or play under Philbin. Now he's a game manager. He did a good job against a jets team that was missing starters and mailed it in. Against Buffalo, apart from 5 or 6 passes in the 3rd qtr, he was terrible - and that was with Ajayi and Drake running wild. Gase finally neutered him in that game.

    Hoping Matt plays the game of his life against the Pats and doesn't look as panicked or pass as erratically as he did last week. We're going to need his best if we're to beat the Pats.
     
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  27. KeyFin

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    I guess we're changing this to the "Let's Just Make Random Stuff Up Thread". For instance, did you know that Matt Moore led the Navy Seal mission to capture Bin Laden?

    Matt Moore stepped in with a 1-15 Panthers team that was considered the worst in the league. Then he took over in Miami after an 0-7 start. He has consistently over-achieved on bad teams, so please save the make-believe stuff for the Game of Thrones threads.
     
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    Lol... nice spin and deflect. Not a single thing was made up.
     
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    It actually doesn't come from Arian. Eli manning said it a few years back when the giants were going through a new offensive system. I don't know who first said it but its a truism like the offense sells the tickets, the defense wins the rings or the game is fought from the trenches out
     
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  30. Fin-O

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    If we judged QBs like we did good looking women, Moore would be a 6.5 and Ryan an 8.


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    Good to know. I thought it was Bruce, probably because the first time I heard it, it was from him.
     
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  34. cbrad

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    Speaking of "Blake".. they have Blake Bortles at #24. Don't know about you guys but I'd prefer Matt Moore over Bortles (the 2016 version.. excuses included).
     
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  35. Fin-O

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    Bortles really has not developed well at all. His stats looked good last year but they were mostly volume stats in mop up time.

    Change of scenery and some new coaches may help.


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  36. Rock Sexton

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  37. KeyFin

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    The two teams Moore took over had a combined 1 and 22 record on their seasons. The Panthers team he took over for was worse than today's Browns. Yet you're here trying to peddle the idea that they were already dominant with great ground games and stud receivers...just stop it. It's ridiculous.
     
  38. resnor

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    I thought it was interesting to see where others ranked all the QBs.

    Or should I not have posted something that didn't have Moore as the highest rated QB in the league?
     
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  39. resnor

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    Ummmm...didn't they have D'Angelo and Steve Smith? Didn't they also have a stud tight end?
     
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  40. cuchulainn

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    I never said nor alluded to any such thing. I said he's always had talent around him and played in balanced offenses - and he has.
     
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