Why You Should Believe in Matt Moore

Tannehill under Philbin vs. Tannehill under Gase....

Moore previously vs. Moore now....

Moore when starting regularly vs. Moore after a long time....

Bottomline - there's too much change to be able to make predictions here. We'd rather be going in with our starting QB. We aren't. It's uncomfortable.
Oh well. That's football.

All we can do is watch what happens.

#evaluationyear

"bakedmatt wrote:

Hey Rock: Keyfin provided incorrect numbers. I corrected them.

I wouldn't make wins an argument for or against a QBs performance, anyway.

I was bored at work one day a couple weeks ago and decided to look up some stuff from that 2011 season. Matt Moore had some good games, and basically played like I knew he could. He's a fine backup. He can play well in a few games, but will struggle a lot of times too.

It's not a knock on the guy. I'm a big fan of his. He's a great teammate and I truly believe he has helped Ryan Tannehill in certain ways. But he is what he is. I have no doubt he can help us in these final 3 games. He's capable, but he's not someone you can really lean on.

As for wins being a QB stat, I've always argued against that. It's what people who don't know any better do.

"Finster wrote:

Typical, lol, you know he didn't play well so you point to stats.

After that beauty of a pass to Stills, it went down hill for RT, lucky he only turned the ball over twice, lucky he was given short fields, and lucky the Cards played as bad as a team can.

The locking on, footwork, pocket presence, missing better options, 3rd downs, ball placement and ball security issues have all been on display these past 2 weeks.

Until RT gets on the field and actually plays well in a meaningful game, I have no faith in him as a leader, he had a WC team come in for an early game, and as is the case many times, the WC team played like crap.

They just came in a laid a turd, and with huge playoff implications RT is just wishy washy, thank god we started on the Cards 40 for one score, and thank god Landry took a dump off 70yds, because we may very well have lost that game if one of those things didn't happen.

Tooting RT's horn after that game is ludicrous, besides that 1 beautiful pass to Stills, there is not much good to point at, and please don't bring up his LOS TD passes, who cares if a QB completes a pass to the LOS and then the player and play call is doing all the work, those 2 TD passes are not worth mentioning, they combine for about 1.5 air yards.

I'd think this was satire if you weren't so solemn in your delivery.

Don't bring up 2 RZ scores? Does Tannehill being the #1 Redzone QB this season not matter? Tannehill's Red Zone efficiency this season has been best in the league: 30 of 44 (68.2%) for 224 yards, 11 TDs and 0 INTs for a PR of 119.7.

More "meaningless stats" I suppose.

Only thing ludicrous is your take on that game. You must think Moore was terrible on his 2 completions on that final drive as well as Stills had to bail out both passes.

I still can't get over Finster refusing to credit Tannehill for two touchdown passes near the goal line because they were short throws. How dare he execute the offense to perfection!

"Rock Sexton wrote:

False. Sparano wouldn't even let him compete fairly. Not to mention he was signed in August - how the hell was he gonna give Henne a run for his money?

People who detract from Moore's final year in Carolina are the equivalent of box score addicts. No context, no real analysis of what actually happened that year, which clearly affected his careers numbers.

That fact that Philbin wanted to even give Garrard a shot was blasphemy to begin with and that joke of a three-way QB Competition.

So we should discount Moore's bad years as rookies/young guy in a shatty situation, but Tannehill should get no such consideration under Philbin... ok...

All Philbin did was solidify the opinion that yet another coaching staff didn't see enough from Moore to warrant serious consideration to the point of bringing in a hack like Garrard. I think Philbin and his staff of cronies was terrible, but Moore has done himself no favors when he's had the opportunity to impress coaches and evaluators...

"cuchulainn wrote:

I'd think this was satire if you weren't so solemn in your delivery.

Don't bring up 2 RZ scores? Does Tannehill being the #1 Redzone QB this season not matter? Tannehill's Red Zone efficiency this season has been best in the league: 30 of 44 (68.2%) for 224 yards, 11 TDs and 0 INTs for a PR of 119.7.

More "meaningless stats" I suppose.

Only thing ludicrous is your take on that game. You must think Moore was terrible on his 2 completions on that final drive as well as Stills had to bail out both passes.

Wow. what a fucking mic drop. I didnt know about that. Awesome.

"dWreck wrote:

Wow. what a ****ing mic drop. I didnt know about that stat. Awesome.

Yup.

Number 1 in red zone.
Number 8 in yards per attempt.
Number 7 in completion percentage.

His YPA, completion %, and passer rating are all career highs.

Thankful for Adam Gase for recognizing the talent and not giving up on him. We're in good hands with Adam in charge.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I still can't get over Finster refusing to credit Tannehill for two touchdown passes near the goal line because they were short throws. How dare he execute the offense to perfection!

You know what else burns me. I took my family to Baltimore to watch the Dolphins. Probably heading to Met life on Saturday in miserable weather to cheer them on. Does anybody think I am gonna not cheer because of who is at QB....I don't give a RAT'S A** who is QB!!!Gonna be a Dolphin fan, all day, everyday. But we got someone who is sure there is plenty of fear and hate for Moore....SMDH in disgust

"LI phinfan wrote:

You know what else burns me. I took my family to Baltimore to watch the Dolphins. Probably heading to Met life on Saturday in miserable weather to cheer them on. Does anybody think I am gonna not cheer because of who is at QB....I don't give a RAT'S A** who is QB!!!Gonna be a Dolphin fan, all day, everyday. But we got someone who is sure there is plenty of fear and hate for Moore....SMDH in disgust

Amen. I hope Matt throws 6 touchdown passes Saturday. Winning (especially against the fucking Jets) is all I care about.

Have fun at the game, bro. Hopefully this one turns out better than the Baltimore game!

"Rock Sexton wrote:

Here we go again - numbers without context.

How fast did you think a man signed in August would need to get acclimated when thrust into the starters role? I'm serious .... how many games? Did you really believe it would be an instantaneous turnaround?

Check your facts...

Moore was signed end of July and participated in ALL August camps and played in all 4 pre-season games in 2011. He didn't get thrust into anything until Henne went down during the Chargers game at the start of Oct... his first 4 games he threw 1 TD and 4 INTS. It wasn't until his 5th game that he started to play better but he fumbled and turned the ball over at an alarming rate.

Stop spinning.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I still can't get over Finster refusing to credit Tannehill for two touchdown passes near the goal line because they were short throws. How dare he execute the offense to perfection!

If they'd been INTS or a 100 yard pick 6 like Moore threw against the jets his first game facing them, you'd have heard all about it though.

This is getting crazy... Sat needs to CTFO...

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I still can't get over Finster refusing to credit Tannehill for two touchdown passes near the goal line because they were short throws. How dare he execute the offense to perfection!

Silly Rocky, he should have sprinted back to the 50 to make it a challenge. Any real QB would do that.

Both Moore and RT are very good QBs in my opinion. They don't really compare to each other since they have very different approaches and abilities. Some of that may have blended over the years being in the same QB room. I was little uncomfortable when they decided to start Gerrard, and then Tannehill over Moore back in 2012. But RT showed he could compete. He was playing with a blah OL and there was a lot of debate around dropped balls/receiver talent, and he still managed to show some sparks as a rookie. I felt that Moore, like RT has never had a better than average supporting cast and a lot of unanswered questions remain about his perceived /true talent level. But he's got to have some rust. Anyone know if Matt's had a preferred receiver in practices this year? Has he been hooking up mostly with Carroo? It'll be interesting to see who he has good chemistry with and if the coaches allow adjustment for that.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I was bored at work one day a couple weeks ago and decided to look up some stuff from that 2011 season. Matt Moore had some good games, and basically played like I knew he could. He's a fine backup. He can play well in a few games, but will struggle a lot of times too.

It's not a knock on the guy. I'm a big fan of his. He's a great teammate and I truly believe he has helped Ryan Tannehill in certain ways. But he is what he is. I have no doubt he can help us in these final 3 games. He's capable, but he's not someone you can really lean on.

As for wins being a QB stat, I've always argued against that. It's what people who don't know any better do.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/08/id-like-to-be-judged-on-wins-thats-ultimately-why-you-play-the-game-i-dont-play-the-game-for-passing-yards-or-touchdowns.html

Ryan Tannehill: Judge me on wins

Those who say the QB should only be judged by their wins and losses are wrong. Those who say you should never take into account wins and losses are also wrong. It has its place. Over a single season no. But over a career, yes.

"jdang307 wrote:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/08/id-like-to-be-judged-on-wins-thats-ultimately-why-you-play-the-game-i-dont-play-the-game-for-passing-yards-or-touchdowns.html

Ryan Tannehill: Judge me on wins

lol what else do you expect him to say? "Judge me on how many yards I throw for."?

"jdang307 wrote:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/08/id-like-to-be-judged-on-wins-thats-ultimately-why-you-play-the-game-i-dont-play-the-game-for-passing-yards-or-touchdowns.html

Ryan Tannehill: Judge me on wins

Tannehill saying he personally wants people to judge him on wins doesn't make 'winning' a 'QB statistic', Nor does it disprove what Rocky said. What is he gonna say to the public? Judge me on QBR? TDs? YPG? Come on. He also went on to say there are other ways to win games than just the QB showing up and putting up numbers.

credit 3 things for ryan tannehills red zone #s...well four if you actually count the damn qb is really good

better play design and personnel usage/formations by adam gase and his oc clyde Christenson, tannehill throws a better fade which is a product of better foot work and mechanics being FINALLY coached at his position by competence, and third we aren't running those option route fades with pedestrians like brian hartline who frankly wasted red zone downs

also gase seems to have taken out the corner route which is the one route that tanny to date has shown he has trouble with and I have seen little to no usage with gase...can air mail the corner in prior years

he throws a game tape proven plus everything else

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Oh what a surprise. The win was because of everyone else except for Tannehill. Big shocker.

You just can't hide your hatred for him anymore, can you? That was a meaningful game, and he played very well. Sorry you have to pretend he didn't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Sad.

I don't think he hates him, just not sold on him as some fans on here are.

For people on here to not think Tannehill has ever under gone questionable play by fans, the NFL, and the coaches is not accurate.

"dWreck wrote:

It must really piss you off that there is literally N O T H I N G Moore can do on the field this season to take the job from Tannehill, save for murdering him

Probably a good thing for Brady you weren't Belicheck when he had Bledsoe.

"Rock Sexton wrote:

Here we go again - numbers without context.

How fast did you think a man signed in August would need to get acclimated when thrust into the starters role? I'm serious .... how many games? Did you really believe it would be an instantaneous turnaround?

I do believe a certain other QB was granted 6 games by a certain message board.

"cuchulainn wrote:

Check your facts...

Moore was signed end of July and participated in ALL August camps and played in all 4 pre-season games in 2011. He didn't get thrust into anything until Henne went down during the Chargers game at the start of Oct... his first 4 games he threw 1 TD and 4 INTS. It wasn't until his 5th game that he started to play better but he fumbled and turned the ball over at an alarming rate.

Stop spinning.

He was signed on July 28th, 2011 bro.

Thanks for playing though. Again, someone like yourself expects a guy to come in after missing mini-camp and much of TC expected to really give Henne a push. #SMDH Correction: He came in on the eve of TC.

It would one thing if we signed him at the start of FA, but that didn't happen now did it?

"dolphin25 wrote:

I don't think he hates him, just not sold on him as some fans on here are.

For people on here to not think Tannehill has ever under gone questionable play by fans, the NFL, and the coaches is not accurate.

Again, no one said Tannehill was some perfect, elite quarterback. We said when he got some better coaching, and some help from his teammates, that he'd be very good. He got that help, and proceeded to set career highs and has been the leader of the team that is destined for it's first winning season in 8 years.

"dolphin25 wrote:

I don't think he hates him, just not sold on him as some fans on here are.

For people on here to not think Tannehill has ever under gone questionable play by fans, the NFL, and the coaches is not accurate.

Why can't he answer for himself 25? You saw the Cardinal game, do you feel his "criticism " was anyway fair... or do you see it as most do? Biased and borderline hateful?

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"Rock Sexton wrote:

He was signed on July 28th, 2011 bro.

Thanks for playing though. Again, someone like yourself expects a guy to come in after missing mini-camp and most of TC expected to really give Henne a push. #SMDH

Yeah... that's what I said... bro.

And you completely spun the rest of it and ignored his PS play.