What in the ****? This is the second time I've seen one of the local media representatives allude to the mythical 3-gap defensive responsibility, and I've got to think that someone at the Dolphins camp is having fun at their expense.

 

No, most college teams don't run the 3/4, but that hasn't slowed the development of 4/3 players who are picked by 3/4 teams.

 

absolutely not. I have utmost confidence that this coaching staff will continue to do the excellent job they have done in terms of teaching skills and preparation. No one in the league is more well prepared. I know we struggle to win at times but that has been a talent issue not an execution issue.

 

the real 3-4 is a two gap scheme with off technique lining up on either inside or outside shoulder of the OL depending on the alignment
the way i was hearing it with nolans hybrid scheme was that we are going to see more sets that have one gap assignments with even technique
could be wrong though
good call on the 3 gap man :lol:

 

I don't know it's the "real" 3-4, right now most 3-4 teams are probably 1-gap schemes. Off the top of my head it's really probably New England, Cleveland, and Kansas City as the 2-gap teams.

Nolan's a 2-gap guy, but it does seem like it's going to be a 1-gap scheme this year. How aggressive, we don't know. We've been a 1-gap scheme under Pasqualoni too, but there's different ways to play it. Randy Starks probably isn't going to reliably be going through the same gap every down.

 

thanks for answering
speaking of starks you think we will see him at the nose only in 3-4 considering we still have soliai
looks like we are fairly loaded up front. you seeing heavy rotation and guys that can move around?
everyone has odrick penciled in at DT in the 3-4 but he seems to be a vertical player who uses his arms well. that looks to me like we might see him as a DT in a 4-3 sometimes. thoughts?

 

Truthfully? I doubt it, Tim Dobbins is a very good 3rd ILB in the 3-4 scheme in my opinion. If Channing returns to previous form it isn't even a contest.

 

And what previous form of crowder's are you referring to? Hes played in 71/started 63 career games and has 2.5 total sacks/3FF/3FR
/16 total passes defended.

To give you an idea of how poor that is:

2008 Karlos Dansby: 16 games/4 sacks/2 int/2FF/3FR/5PD
And thats Dansby's 3rd best season.

Maybe it would be a nice treat to see Crowder make a play before we start treating him like Dobbins shouldnt at least be on equal footing to start camp. Crowder and Dobbins have both shown they can play well but consistency is everything. Crowder showed it for parts of one year and has otherwise been decidedly average. Hes a good run stuffer and below average in coverage. Dobbins has shown significant upside but for some reason Norv Turner didnt like him...which means hes probably good cause Turner is horrid. :up:

 

Soliai's certainly going to see some snaps, but I don't think the impression people have got about the 4-3(That it'll be a hybrid or whatever) is actually valid. You can play like a 4-3 in the context of a 3-4, and that matches up with what's being said. You've got the same 1-technique NT/3-technique DE in a 3-4 as your typical 4-3, odds are Cameron Wake is going to play almost like a DE and the SOLB will compensate more like a normal LB, etc.

Odrick seems like he'll take Starks position, which is pretty much a 3-technique position, pretty close to a 4-3 DT.

 

merge

http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=49184

 

What is not said almost every time a topic such as this is brought to conversation is that 3-4 teams in the NFL are in a two gap defense just as often as the two gap 4-3 team.

1st and 10
2 and 6 or below
3rd and 3 or below

.........and even those down and distances are skewed by the personell on the field. An offense with three receiver and a tight end on the field will never see a conventional 3-4.

Odrick was bound to two gap no matter what part of the country he landed.

 

No! (reality check in order)
the NFL will slow them down
look for them to play mostly as back-ups
while learning the game this season
making significant contributions
while working their way into the system
some will invariably end up on
the practice squad or cut

if two or three actually end the season as starters, it has been a very successful draft :yes:

 

It's the person running the 3-4 and his preferences, all are 'real' 3-4's...Kind of like the Phillips 3-4 vs. Parcells preferred 3-4. Phillips is a 2 gap guy, but Parcells is slightly different, with more 1 gap responsibilities...I don't know enough about Nolan, but I think if the gap responsibilities change somewhat here, it'll be more to do with the personnel we have (or don't have) than Nolan, Phillips or Parcells. The problem is the NT. We don't have the Fergy/Traylor/Adams type of one gap, take-up-two-or-three-guys stuffer in the middle. We may have with Soliai, but they aren't going to chance that the light has come on completely yet with him, ergo Starks to NT with more 2 gap responsibilities to take the best advantage of his skillset in the middle, while still keeping the OL off the LBers... Any way you look at it, I call it adjusting the scheme to fit the personnel. This conversation may have been completely different if we'd have gotten Dan Williams instead of Odrick. That's why, ironically enough, the announcement of Starks to NT was made on Saturday of the draft, not Friday....

 

Phillips is a 1 gap guy.

 

Solai could be a one gap guy
he will step up big time in 2010
I like the rotation of Starks & Solai
don't see a problem @ NT
my only real concern is FreeSafety
the Franchise is ready to compete
offense, defense & special teams
w/ just one more fix on defense
We will contend in 2010! :yes:

 

I know this article doesn't specifically relate to the Miami Dolphins, but its a fantastic writeup describing the different variations of NFL defenses for those of us (myself included) that aren't big Xs and Os guys:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/09bramel_idpguide.php

Its lengthy, but well worth the read. Personally, I think the article should be a fixture on this forum (a must-read prior to membership).