Sure, of course. Even though I dont like him, he isn't a killer or rapist.

 

Ya right, sure. The trainers would just have to see he got his regular metamucil.

 

No, I don't like anything about Welker. Small, not a beast, slow, getting less quick by day, too many concusions and dings.

 

I'd be surprised if Denver and him can't come to some kind of mutual agreement. As long as Manning is in Denver that is his best bet to win a title.

 

He called out his coaching staff for not being prepared for the rowdiness of the Seattle fan...lol

Dumbest trade the dolphins ever made.

 

No I wouldn't , unless he was unrealistically cheap. I wouldn't invest in any older player with a developing history of concussions. I'd much prefer to invest our FA money in another TE or our Oline.

 

If he was available and we could actually make it work, then yes. But if our system says he's not gonna produce then no point. It maybe better keeping our own slot guys and building instead. As Ohio says, there are much more important areas needing fixed right now.

 

From Tom Brady to Peyton Manning to Ryan Tannehill??

We would be playing with fire.

 

Deej, I disagree...while it was a trade that hurt us in the division, the bottom line, AT THAT TIME, we didn't have even a QB to utilize him, much less an offense built around his qualities... It was a necessary move...That's not to say that he wouldn't have been productive to some extent with us, but not the gaudy numbers and catches he's put up in 7 yrs or so since he left here...

 

Yah, there is no doubt that we have many other needs that are more crucial than WR spot, particularly one that is ONLY good in the slot...

 

Welker is one hit away from needing a drool cup for the rest of his life. NE knew what they were doing when they released him. It is time for him to hang up his cleats.

 

No. We need to move on from aging has beens. He isn't getting any better, and probably will not play 16 games again in his career.

 

whilst I like Welker ... I don't think we need him at this point. He certainly wouldn't come that cheap ... and now that he has started down the concussion road -- he will be forever down that road. Pass ...

IF we were going to spend some serious $$$ in the passing game - it would be for Graham, Pitta, etc ... having a serious, true TE threat would do wonders for our passing attack.

The main piece we are missing in the passing attack sans the OL .... is a REAL TE ...

 

It's absolutely bizarre how little respect he gets still at times outside of a weird desire to flog the organization over trading him.

He's still very productive, and I don't see how you can call him injury prone when he's missed 3 games in the last couple seasons. He's had a concussion, but assumptions about him missing time are haphazard at best, and frankly it's a little late to be worried about blood on your hands as fans of the NFL in this kind of regard.

If you find a way to get rid of Mike Wallace this off-season, sure, why not?

 

I think he would bring a lot to a team like how to read the D and he has a ton of releases. The concussions really scare me. Concussions are going to change the game.

 

He's a hall of famer Larry...we gave up a hall of famer before he even hit his prime..unique player..I don't believe in the philosophy of getting rid of great players because your inadequate at other positions, they game is to project a players path, his was easily identifiable even when he had nobodies throwing him the ball.

 

Not to mention that we gave him to our main division rival and that Welker played a big role in their complete dominance over us and the rest of the division for years. Our hand was kind of forced with the deal NE signed him too but well run teams don't let a play like Welker hit the FA market or play games with tags. If we had the foresight to see him for what he was we could have signed him long term. I love the "we didn't have a Qb" argument, I mean should we have let all our offensive players go because we couldn't find a Manning or Brady, that argument is so dumb its shocking to read it.

 

I doubt even Belichick had an idea Welker would turn into what he was. There's some really extraordinarily silly abuse of hindsight going on here.

 

Well we put what a 2nd round tender on him? Id say we knew he was good. I think Belicheat knew exactly how he could fit into the right system and thats why he went after a player with a tender sheet. Players with tender sheets don't get signed to often by other teams. I don't like Belicheat or the Pats but they were way ahead of the curve with Welker, they were genius about how to go after him and use him. We were idiots and got played as usual.

 

The biggest argument against him is he's 34 years old and in serious decline from an efficiency standpoint. He used to produce 2.13 yards per pass snap in NE back in 2012 and this year he was down to only 1.47 to go along with a 7.0 yards per attempt (very low for a wide receiver), and he also had 12 drops. He's not getting any more sure-handed than he ever was (drops have always been a fact of life with Welker), but his RAC abilities look to be in serious decline and that is in turn detracting from his overall efficiency as a slot receiver.

Slot receivers get open a lot as part of the job description. It's easier to get the ball to slot receivers. What matters is how consistent the slot receiver can be and how much he can hurt a defense after the catch. Welker has never been consistent at catching the football as he's always had a high drop rate. But he has been consistent in creating that extra margin of separation which helps him produce fantastic RAC results.

Long story short he seems to be losing the things that made him who he is and if he's lost those things then he can't pretend to be worth $6-7 million per year anymore because Miami could find a slot receiver to produce those results for much cheaper.

A good example would be Brandon Gibson. Even the coaches in St. Louis never thought he'd be fit for the slot but in Miami he produced more efficiently than Wes Welker did while catching passes from Peyton Manning. Compare them.

Drops per Catch: 10.0%, 13.0%
Catch Rate: 70%, 69%
YAC per Catch: 4.1, 4.2
Yards per Attempt: 7.6, 7.0
Yards per Pass Snap: 1.62, 1.47
TDs per Pass Snap: 1.49%, 1.72%

The big one people will point to is touchdowns for Welker but a big part of that was just the fact that he made it through the whole year. If Gibson had as many pass snaps as Welker he projects out to 9.5 TDs to Welker's 11 TDs. With that kind of very marginal difference I think I'm comfortable questioning how much Peyton Manning vs. Ryan Tannehill played into that.

I think there's legit reason to wonder if Welker has lost what has made him better than the crowd at slot receiver, which is a position that doesn't usually take high caliber investment to fill.

 

Why is it far fetched to feel confident in knowing what Welker could of been ( a great player)with competent Qb play?..

I think a good Gm would have seen the talent and have the foresight regardless of variables that could directly affect production at that position..

 

the problem was we didn't have the talent to recognize what a unique player we had in the making, I don't think it was smart to put the 2nd round tender on him.

 

but isn't he point he should of never been put in that position, he should of been made a priority in securing a young great player for the future of the team..

On no level does it make sense, on a very young player,( if you believe in your evaluation and are convicted that he will be a great player) that you put Rfa tag on the player...

The point I'm trying to make is that it should of never happened..

 

On no level does it make sense, on a very young player,( if you believe in your evaluation and are convicted that he will be a great player) that you put an Rfa tag on the player...

The point I'm trying to make is that it should of never happened..

 

He's a very good player but he's not the type of receiver we should be looking for.. We need a #1 receiver badly.. Still got a bunch of 2's and 3's out there.

 

Why would anyone believe he would be great at that point? It would be illogical. We did the right thing at the time, it just didn't work out.

 

I loved Welker when we had him, and loved even more the type of player that he became in New England (while of course hating that he played for the Patriots). I love his personality too.

But he's an aging, declining player with a recent history of concussions, who's fairly expensive, and plays a position that we're pretty well set at.

So no.

 

You do realize this post makes no sense Alex...I must be freakin illogical, do you think I would be sticking up for for him in this case if I didn't vehemently, on the record, oppose the trade, and project the player long term accurately.?

It was a dumb trade and a bad evaluation on the staff at the time..what the heck are y'all talking about " we did the right thing".. What the hell does that mean?, that's ridiculous, GMs gets paid to make the right decisions, clearly it was a very bad one, and that's all based on the two years that he spent wearing our uniform, seeing the unique talent he had, visualizing what that talent would look like if some proper components were put around him was All right there to see.

Worst trade by this organization...lets move on.

 

yeah if he was just a small slot receiver like you describe him Nasty then sure, unfortunately that was not an accurate depiction.

I wonder what we got in return?

Edit.. Samson satele..

What a freakin joke..

 

Yes sir, no hindsight man, heavy on the record as to what he would become, and how bad I detested the trade...I can dig it up if you wish..

 

Fans like all sorts of players and think they will become great. Doesnt mean it was rational...and IMO there is no way anyone could cone to that conclusion based on evidence at the time.

I believe you liked him, but if you knew he is this good you can see the future....

 

First of all we didn't even trade, the Patriots placed a poison pill and we were forced to deal within the division. The guy was a RFA with a second round tender the Dolphins had no idea someone would offer him that kind of money, who here honestly thought Welker was going to get paid like that and that someone would trade a second round pick for him? The guy had just finished a 687 yard and 1 TD season, his lone TD of his career too btw. Before that season he had 400 career receiving yards.. No one here knew he was special, so a second round pick and a sixth round pick seemed like a steal. But now it looks ridiculous.

And lol, I remember the days when Cameron hyped up Satele because he practiced through a toothache and some fans thought he was so tough because of it and he would be the next Dwight Stephenson.

 

ONly if he switch to guard or tackle.

 

I don't think what your saying is exactly accurate. Correct me if I am wrong about this but wasn't it Welkers agent who structured his contract with the poison pill in it on behalf of welker? Also didn't Minny also offer them the 2nd and NE added a 7th. They could of turned down the 7th and moved him out of their division if they chose to but they didn't.