WOW....Hurricane stadium, a cultural phenom.

"Ozzy wrote:

When the fans want to come the noise comes with it. Which is the creation of energy. Bad = EmptynessGood = Possitive energyVery good = Sustained energy

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, no? :shifty:

"lmeister3 wrote:

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, no? :shifty:

energy can change its location within the system :up:

"Ozzy wrote:

You're just overlooking the facts. The stadium has already frustrated opponents enough to where they've commented on it in the past. The energy needed comes from being good. I'll be damned if I'm going to games to scream at the top of my lungs for an entire game (spending at least 150 bucks) to see a bunch of int's, 3 and outs, penalties and losses. Those are the results of bad product and bad coaching. That's how it's been for the last decade.

We've already noticed a change of atmosphere at the stadium this season. The Raiders game was 50,000 people at MOST and the Dolphins played a very nice, complete game. On TV we could hear the place was pretty loud.

We've seen the same thing right here in our own forum! The excitement is growing and it's the product that's doing it.

"The stadium has already frustrated opponents enough to where they've commented on it in the past"

Oz..no disrespect, and I do respect your knowledge for the game, but I can only laugh at that one..

I think you take what I say about this topic personally because you do everything in your power on game day to make a difference.

It's no secret to anyone that our stadium is the least loud in the league...neutral site for opponents..

"djphinfan wrote:

"The stadium has already frustrated opponents enough to where they've commented on it in the past"

Oz..no disrespect, and I do respect your knowledge for the game, but I can only laugh at that one..

I think you take what I say about this topic personally because you do everything in your power on game day to make a difference.

It's no secret to anyone that our stadium is the least loud in the league...neutral site for opponents..

Yeah no disrespect DJ and I don't care how many games you say you've been to. It is obvious that you've hated Joe Robbie stadium since it began because of your love for the old Orange Bowl.

As for the part in bold. You have no clue what you're stating! It sucks now because the team has sucked. Period!

"Ozzy wrote:

Yeah no disrespect DJ and I don't care how many games you say you've been to. It is obvious that you've hated Joe Robbie stadium since it began because of your love for the old Orange Bowl.

As for the part in bold. You have no clue what you're stating! It sucks now because the team has sucked. Period!

If your stance is that there are no problems with our stadium and the distance from the stands to the field, I think your in a very small minority.

Mike dee has said strait up that there is, I know that there is.

I don't understand why your defending a position with such conviction when everyone knows there are major issues, including execs in charge.

"Ozzy wrote:

Yeah no disrespect DJ and I don't care how many games you say you've been to. It is obvious that you've hated Joe Robbie stadium since it began because of your love for the old Orange Bowl.

As for the part in bold. You have no clue what you're stating! It sucks now because the team has sucked. Period!

The disparity between the two buildings is tremendous from an energy and impact on the game standpoint.

Of course I hate joe Robbie, it took a major part of our culture away from us because of a complete lack of understanding of what a home field advantage truly is and how bad a bad one can impact football cultures in a negative way.

Both programs have paid a severe price since...a price that I believe is very expensive, and you don't..

"djphinfan wrote:

If your stance is that there are no problems with our stadium and the distance from the stands to the field, I think your in a very small minority.

Mike dee has said strait up that there is, I know that there is.

I don't understand why your defending a position with such conviction when everyone knows there are major issues, including execs in charge.

Just like I don't understand why you make a thread almost every single week about the stadium.

But do get your facts straight please. I said it long before you! Yes, the sideline seats need to be closer. Because when the team is good then the fans can get into it more and have some more fun on the sidelines. The endzones are already close and it's a totally wild time there. Not because it will automatically bring energy to the team. That's not how it works here! You better be at least good or the fans won't support you........

"djphinfan wrote:

The disparity between the two buildings is tremendous from an energy and impact on the game standpoint.

Of course I hate joe Robbie, it took a major part of our culture away from us because of a complete lack of understanding of what a home field advantage truly is and how bad a bad one can impact football cultures in a negative way.

Both programs have paid a severe price since...a price that I believe is very expensive, and you don't..

Wrong

"Ozzy wrote:

Wrong

So you thought the decision to design joe Robbie the way it is was a smart one when you consider what he left behind.

To this day, I think it's one of the dumbest decisions an owner has made.

"Ozzy wrote:

Just like I don't understand why you make a thread almost every single week about the stadium.

But do get your facts straight please. I said it long before you! Yes, the sideline seats need to be closer. Because when the team is good then the fans can get into it more and have some more fun on the sidelines. The endzones are already close and it's a totally wild time there. Not because it will automatically bring energy to the team. That's not how it works here! You better be at least good or the fans won't support you........

http://kawneer.aias.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/3463.pdf

I post threads about the topic because every week people are agreeing with me and want it changed..just because you don't, doesn't make it true, actually I don't think you could be any farther from reality on this one Oz.

Those stadium designs look amazing. If it happens, it would be great for the Hurricanes; and the Dolphins would certainly need to put forwards some impressive renovation plans in order to not be out done!

"djphinfan wrote:

http://kawneer.aias.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/3463.pdf

I post threads about the topic because every week people are agreeing with me and want it changed..just because you don't, doesn't make it true, actually I don't think you could be any farther from reality on this one Oz.

You post threads about it because people agree? Then why didn't you post this link in the Miami Hurricanes thread? It makes sense for them to be near campus. Hurricane fans might be in aggreement but most of us Dolphins fans realize that the owner just got a new stadium so we're pretty much sticking with that we have...

So back to reality for me I guess. Now please re-read the post you quoted from me. The bottom part.

The problem is, is that you keep harping on something that is not happening! There will not be a new stadium and it's more than likely that the renovations that get done won't be to your liking either.

"djphinfan wrote:

http://kawneer.aias.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/3463.pdf

I post threads about the topic because every week people are agreeing with me and want it changed..just because you don't, doesn't make it true, actually I don't think you could be any farther from reality on this one Oz.

"Ozzy wrote:

You post threads about it because people agree? Then why didn't you post this link in the Miami Hurricanes thread? It makes sense for them to be near campus. Hurricane fans might be in aggreement but most of us Dolphins fans realize that the owner just got a new stadium so we're pretty much sticking with that we have...

So back to reality for me I guess. Now please re-read the post you quoted from me. The bottom part.

The problem is, is that you keep harping on something that is not happening! There will not be a new stadium and it's more than likely that the renovations that get done won't be to your liking either.

Your right about not being happy with renovations, and that's because I don't see the possibility of moving stands closer to the action, the construction to do so would be outrageous in costs...which means everybody loses.

"djphinfan wrote:

http://kawneer.aias.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/3463.pdf

"While the serene exterior keeps the quaint surroundings communities and their surrounding lifestyles in mind, make no mistake that within the stadium the strength and turmoil of the hurricane can be felt by all rivaling teams, With 70,000 seats designed around focusing on key elements of the game, a three tier deck style system maintaining as little distance between the fans and the field as possible, and an open air concourse, fans are always visually and physically engaged with the playing field, by keeping the fans involved in the game, and providing the third deck of seating surrounding the Miami hurricanes endzone, a clear advantage for the home team is developed as opposing teams will have to overcome substantial volumes of noise being funneled into them by the roof while they try to score.

"The hurricane stadium aims to replace the void and once against provide the hurricanes with the most feared stadiums in the nation"

"The steep seating slope and three tier seating deck system create for a tremondously loud atmoshere by placing the spectators as close to the field as possible, creating unheard of levels of noise for the opposing team to have to battle through"

Thank you to whoever created this incredible proposal, lets just say you have put my thoughts, my visions and my frustrations and my football dream over the past two decades so perfectly... I'd like to come and work for you if your out there..this site will vouch for me on this topic..lol.

Now this is progressive thinking...only thing to add is making it a multiplex for both our programs.. it's freakin beautiful man.

I would hope that every fan of the canes and dolphins would exhaust all resources to get this in front of our execs..

Where would that go on campus and where is the parking ? Other than that, this would be a dream stadium. Donna make it happen.

"FinNasty wrote:

It looks like they are proposing putting this on campus of UM? I dont think that would fly for the Fins. And I dont think Miami would help fund a stadium that would not be on campus.

thing is there is no room on the Miami campus for that or any stadium. 2nd the City of Coral Gables would definitely put up the biggest hurdles against any of this happening. Anyone promoting this is just wasting their time.

Effort on a stadium at Tropical Park, now that makes sense and is really doable.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

I'm not necessarily sure about that.

Well its because the Marlins didn't get public funding. They got tourist tax dollars. That little tax we approved in 2002 that collected 1% on every $ 100 spent on a hotel on Miami Beach. That was collected and then the county used those funds and the Marlins put in $ 155 million themselves.

But if people keep telling a lie often enough it becomes truth, and there is not truth in the lie that Marlins Park was paid for with general fund taxes. This was a tax that most people in Dade-County never paid.

"Dolphin1184 wrote:

God I wish we had our own on campus stadium. The residents of Coral Gables will never allow it though.

Exactly.....this is why I don't understand why DJ you keep pushing for this on-campus site. That is NEVER going to happen. Coral Gables is one of the most stuck up and anti-fun places in the world. I know I live there !!!! And most of the city commissioners are either U of F or FIU grads, they hate the U.

Hell it took almost 6 years for the U to get the baseball stadium upgrades approved by the City, and then they delayed the new scoreboard from being installed for a whole year, even though they had already approved it 2 years before, claiming they lost the paperwork. It was infuriating.

Now Tropical Park on the other hand......push for that.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Maybe not in the longer term, but short term and unless things dramatically change, I doubt it in the intermediate.

Every time public funding comes up, the Marlins white elephant is going to show up. The people who will inherently oppose it will have loads of ammo.

First off, Marlins Park is beautiful and a great place to watch a game.

2nd the funding being from public money is a non-truth. It came from tourist taxes.

"Ozzy wrote:

That is how the Marlins got their stadium. It won't be happening again anytime soon.

Ozzy I respectfully disagree with you sir. Marlins Park was not funded by hook or crook. It was done in the open despite what some detractors want to say. Dare I remind people the reason Norman Braman put up a fight against Marlins Park, was because he didn't get his property tax exemption renewed by the City of Miami. He finally had to pay his fair share of taxes and was mad about it. And was incensed when the Marlins Park was approved.

People always mix up and don't understand the Marlins Park and the Parking garages are two separate deals one was the county (the stadium) and the city was the parking garages. How the City of Miami paid for the garages is criminal and might land some people in jail, as the government is looking into that. The Marlins are free and clear of that investigation again despite the half-truths and lies that are put out there on that subject.

"oakelmpine wrote:

Exactly.....this is why I don't understand why DJ you keep pushing for this on-campus site. That is NEVER going to happen. Coral Gables is one of the most stuck up and anti-fun places in the world. I know I live there !!!! And most of the city commissioners are either U of F or FIU grads, they hate the U.

Hell it took almost 6 years for the U to get the baseball stadium upgrades approved by the City, and then they delayed the new scoreboard from being installed for a whole year, even though they had already approved it 2 years before, claiming they lost the paperwork. It was infuriating.

Now Tropical Park on the other hand......push for that.

I'm not pushing for it to be at that location, I just think the concept itself is brilliant, and to me makes total sense.

"oakelmpine wrote:

First off, Marlins Park is beautiful and a great place to watch a game.

2nd the funding being from public money is a non-truth. It came from tourist taxes.

The Marlins will contribute $155 million to the project, with $35 million coming in the form of annual rent payments of $2.3 million a year, The city of Miami will contribute $13 million in hotel bed taxes plus $10 million to demolish the Orange Bowl and prepare the site. The city will also oversee the building of a $94 million, 6,000-space parking garage which the Marlins will lease.
Miami-Dade County will own the venue and contribute $347 million. $50 million will come from a general obligation bond approved by voters in 2004 for an earlier ballpark proposal. The remainder will come from hotel bed and professional sports facilities franchise taxes.

"oakelmpine wrote:

Ozzy I respectfully disagree with you sir. Marlins Park was not funded by hook or crook. It was done in the open despite what some detractors want to say. Dare I remind people the reason Norman Braman put up a fight against Marlins Park, was because he didn't get his property tax exemption renewed by the City of Miami. He finally had to pay his fair share of taxes and was mad about it. And was incensed when the Marlins Park was approved.

People always mix up and don't understand the Marlins Park and the Parking garages are two separate deals one was the county (the stadium) and the city was the parking garages. How the City of Miami paid for the garages is criminal and might land some people in jail, as the government is looking into that. The Marlins are free and clear of that investigation again despite the half-truths and lies that are put out there on that subject.

Sorry but it was approved by hook n crook! A newly elected Mayor lost his city seat over it. The entire deal was approved on the assumption that the Marlins needed all of the money they were asking for when in fact they did not disclose all of the money they were making from MLB revenue sharing. The Marlins hid the facts.

The total cost is: $2.4 billion, spread over 40 years, to repay $409 million in bonds that will primarily, though not exclusively, cover stadium construction. Roughly $100 million will refinance existing bond debt and another $9 million goes into a debt service reserve fund. The result is $300 million for stadium construction, financed in two ways.

One portion, underwritten by Merrill Lynch totaling $220 million, has an interest rate of 6.4 percent and requires immediate repayment. In October 2010 the county must pay $9.6 million, though there are questions over whether tourist taxes will meet that. Annual payments run through 2049 and climb as high as $71 million per year.

The second portion, underwritten by JP Morgan, is for $91 million, $80 million of that for construction. That carries an 8.17 rate, but repayment doesn't begin until 2025. Yet that grace period comes with a big price: $83 million a year for three years starting in 2038. Then, starting in 2041, six years of payments totaling $118 million annually. Total cost to retire the debt: $2.1 billion.[32]

Not listed in the breakdown are the annual charges that the city is required to pay for the lifetime of the contract, which are as much as $2.25 million per year for the parking-facilities taxes and maintenance fees of the stadium.

The Marlins received an interest free, $35 million loan from the county that it will pay back through yearly rent beginning at about $2.3 million and increasing 2 percent each year.

"djphinfan wrote:

I'm not pushing for it to be at that location, I just think the concept itself is brilliant, and to me makes total sense.

UM alum Alonzo Highsmith has put himself into the middle of this movement. He's thinking Tropical Park. This latest talk about a stadium came about from a Twitter storm he wrote after the Canes-Irish game. He also appeared at the end of last week's CanesFam podcast and said the following:

"People are tired of us being second class citizens... is a great place for the Miami Dolphins but we need our own home."

"There's always going to be some components that aren't going to fit right away but there's things we can do and we may have to do this stadium private funding...I'm meeting with a bunch of private investors and there's a fund. We've got a lot of options...at the end of the day if we have to build it ourselves, that's what we want to do. This is something that has to be done, it must be done or my prediction is if we don't get a stadium and we don't come up to par with the rest of college football, stop living in the past, have some vision, our program will be no different than Rice or Tulane ten years from now."

"My goal is Tropical Park. I don't think an on-campus stadium will be feasible. I don't think the university would let it happen. It's within four miles from the University. There's a lot of access roads, it's got tradition and I believe we can get 45,000 season tickets."

"You just break it . That's all there is to it...If the University of Miami was to build a stadium I think they would understand what the University was doing...all these are just possibilities. As I meet with the people who I want to meet with, I've had a guy from another country call me saying he wants to donate, he can get private investors to put up a stadium for Miami. I've gotten calls from investors. You wouldn't believe the people who have called me and said they want to be part of this...One guy says he can raise a hundred million. Another guy says he can raise fifty million but...the interesting part about it is these people said they will not put any money into the school but they will invest in a stadium."

"It can't be something that is uncomfortable to the fans. You want to be close to the action. You want to feel like a home park. And that's the atmosphere creating your own stadium does."

"I met with an architect who called me. We talked on the phone he sent me some plans. He's from Miami, he grew up in Miami and he drew a 50,000 seat stadium with an ampitheater on it. Just an incredible park that could be Hurricane Park. It was real nice."

Tropical Park would be good for the Dolphins. Question is would the Canes want to share their park with the Dolphins. If they didn't they could just stick to a 50,000 seat number and not budge.

"Marco wrote:

UM alum Alonzo Highsmith has put himself into the middle of this movement. He's thinking Tropical Park. This latest talk about a stadium came about from a Twitter storm he wrote after the Canes-Irish game. He also appeared at the end of last week's CanesFam podcast and said the following:

Tropical Park would be good for the Dolphins. Question is would the Canes want to share their park with the Dolphins.

Thanks for posting that....if I did, folks would just acknowledge that I was being redundant..

I wish Alonzo would approach the dolphins brass about a venture together down history lane..we shared it once in all it's glory, why not again..I realize it's a longshot, but all great ventures conquered were never easy to envision in the beginning im sure, but, it's right there in front of all our eyes.

If he can spearhead this privately, then good for him for having the vision, great for his school, and props for conceptualizing the void and detriment the building as is, is doing to both programs.

"Marco wrote:

UM alum Alonzo Highsmith has put himself into the middle of this movement. He's thinking Tropical Park. This latest talk about a stadium came about from a Twitter storm he wrote after the Canes-Irish game. He also appeared at the end of last week's CanesFam podcast and said the following:

Tropical Park would be good for the Dolphins. Question is would the Canes want to share their park with the Dolphins. If they didn't they could just stick to a 50,000 seat number and not budge.

Hey Marco, can we somehow message him?..."The OB2 movement"..