Wow..Just got worse. Alot.

Dude..read the whole article.

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Yeah, my bad. Should have read the whole thing first.

Shame.

Bess always seemed like a good guy.

Not sure what we could've done if the guy didn't want help. But yes, you'd hope that we would've cared even slightly and tried

But don't be lazy and assume Ireland is the only one in the Dolphins organization who knew about Bess' March hospitalization. Bess caught 321 passes from 2008-12, and was the Dolphins' punt returner in that time. He wasn't just an asset, but a valuable part of the team. So when he was committed in March, don't think for a second that coach Joe Philbin and owner Stephen Ross didn't know. Of course they knew. Ireland didn't just trade the team's leading receiver since 2008 without telling them why.

All of which makes Ross' mealy-mouthed talk about wanting to replace Jeff Ireland with someone of "integrity" so ludicrous. Integrity starts at the top, with the man who hired Ireland, kept him after the Dez Bryant fiasco, even kept him after Richie Incognito -- whom Ireland acquired -- tore his locker room asunder while the GM was telling Jonathan Martin he would help things by punching Incognito in the mouth.

Ireland is out of work, but Stephen Ross still owns the Dolphins. Joe Philbin still coaches them.

Davone Bess? He faces charges of assaulting a law enforcement officer, which means he faces jail time. Not the place to address his personal issues. That place was Miami in March 2013, but only if the Dolphins were a franchise run by decent people. They weren't.

And still aren't.

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Man, what happened to the guy who worked hard in the offseasons and spent a great amount of time doing good charity work?

This is a bad thing all around, and I certainly hope he gets the right treatment.

Wonder if Farmer was just sticking it to the organization?

Not really.

Its kind of crappy in my opinion that after all the charity work ..effort and hard work..the Phins would just drop him like a bad habit..with no support structure in place.

But I think there is also somr blame to be laid at his agents feet. Why wasnt he looking out for Bess?

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This does go back to my concern that I saw very little emotion from Philbin after his sons death. Now you see this....and the Jonathan Martin thing..and you wonder if their is a complete lack of empathy.

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"vt_dolfan wrote:

This does go back to my concern that I saw very little emotion from Philbin after his sons death. Now you see this....and the Jonathan Martin thing..and you wonder if their is a complete lack of empathy.

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Really? You're overreacting quite a bit tonight. Speculating on how Philbin's dealt w his son is ridiculous.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

This does go back to my concern that I saw very little emotion from Philbin after his sons death. Now you see this....and the Jonathan Martin thing..and you wonder if their is a complete lack of empathy.

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This is a really unfair and terrible thing to say, dude. You have no idea what he was going through. You weren't there. You can't judge him based on what you see in front of a camera.

I feel really bad for Bess here, but I don't believe it for one second Cleveland didnt know. I wish the real facts were reported by the media in this case.

Personally, I think Cleveland... Lombardi in particular just leaked all this out to the media to smear the Dolphins even more in the media in an attempt to keep Farmer in Cleveland. Go ahead, call me crazy, but I don't for a second believe that Cleveland woudln't have done their homework, and that we would have covered that up, even with as much of a douche as Ireland was.

Just saying everyone... don't believe all you read.

"slickj101 wrote:

Really? You're overreacting quite a bit tonight. Speculating on how Philbin's dealt w his son is ridiculous.

And..actually that very topic was discussed quite a bit during the whole Jonathan Martin deal..so..perhaps you should go back and read some.

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"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

This is a really unfair and terrible thing to say, dude. You have no idea what he was going through. You weren't there. You can't judge him based on what you see in front of a camera.

Seriously. It's so easy to be negative now, though. People think they can just say anything.

However, there is a issue in Miami when it comes to dealing with players with issues. That might stem from Ireland but it is a problem.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

And..actually that very topic was discussed quite a bit during the whole Jonathan Martin deal..so..perhaps you should go back and read some.

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I try not to read stupid **** twice.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

This is a really unfair and terrible thing to say, dude. You have no idea what he was going through. You weren't there. You can't judge him based on what you see in front of a camera.

This was discussed around the time of the Jonathan Martin deal..and I wasnt the only one to have thought this. Im not going to go dig that all up...but if you want to..go back and read it and I think youll see much more context as to what Im referring to

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"vt_dolfan wrote:

This does go back to my concern that I saw very little emotion from Philbin after his sons death. Now you see this....and the Jonathan Martin thing..and you wonder if their is a complete lack of empathy.

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I'm not 100% sure what the Dolphins owed anyone, including Bess. If he was committed by his family against his will a judge signed off on it no? I assume he also had to get cleared to be released which meant they (the state) found him capable of returning to his life and the NFL. I feel sorry for Bess but I don't see where the organization owed anything to him (other than what was in his contract). I also dont know if his personal medical history is supposed to be made known to everyone else, including Cleveland. If so one would think they would also see that he was cleared and given a clean bill of health.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

This was discussed around the time of the Jonathan Martin deal..and I wasnt the only one to have thought this. Im not going to go dig that all up...but if you want to..go back and read it and I think youll see much more context as to what Im referring to

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Its pretty ignorant to think you know how he dealt with his sons death.

"Anonymous wrote:

Seriously. It's so easy to be negative now, though. People think they can just say anything.

However, there is a issue in Miami when it comes to dealing with players with issues. That might stem from Ireland but it is a problem.

Some of what Im referring to was in Club..so it wasnt here..but there is a feeling that Philbin is quite different then pereception. And I didnt say Philbin was part of the problem. It was brought up that he seemed to show little emotion so soon after what happened with his son...then you had the Jonathan Martin story ...now you read this about Bess..and Im sorry..but it does not sound like a Head Coach who has his players best welfare at heart.

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"vt_dolfan wrote:

This was discussed around the time of the Jonathan Martin deal..and I wasnt the only one to have thought this. Im not going to go dig that all up...but if you want to..go back and read it and I think youll see much more context as to what Im referring to

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I don't remember seeing anything like that but anyone who was saying that is a raving scumbag. Unless you've lost a child, don't judge and make assumptions based on what you see of a man for 5 minutes when a camera is on him. That is completely ****ed up. Besides, wasn't there a scene in Hard Knocks of Philbin talking about his son and crying? The fact anyone would make assumptions like that is embarrassing and completely awful.

*this was NOT directed at you vt. I was referring to those who were saying those things previously*

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Some of what Im referring to was in Club..so it wasnt here..but there is a feeling that Philbin is quite different then pereception. And I didnt say Philbin was part of the problem. It was brought up that he seemed to show little emotion so soon after what happened with his son...then you had the Jonathan Martin story ...now you read this about Bess..and Im sorry..but it does not sound like a Head Coach who has his players best welfare at heart.

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We don't know how Philbin feels. But I would stop acting like you think you might have an idea. You don't.

"Anonymous wrote:

We don't know how Philbin feels. But I would stop acting like you think you might have an idea. You don't.

Wasnt even what I said. I thought it seemed odd he wasnt more emotional. Not sure why you made it more then that.

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Jeff Ireland's legacy of ****. His stink is still on this team.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Wasnt even what I said. I thought it seemed odd he wasnt more emotional. Not sure why you made it more then that.

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Thats not very fair for you to say... Not everyone is the same and not everyone is Ray Lewis..

"OkiePhin wrote:

Thats not very fair for you to say... Not everyone is the same and not everyone is Ray Lewis..

Do you have kids?

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