Dobbins and Clemons starting, improved athleticism throughout the linebacker core, confident talented 2nd year corners, more pass rush reps for Wake, should help.

Wilson and crowder on pass defense with wake on the bench was a baaaad recipe.

 

If we would have allowed just 3-5 less big plays last year we would have most likely been a playoff team. It made that much of a difference.

 

Right on target there, and Nolan's D will correct that, plus some, and our offense is improved with Marshall, Ronnie back and the bigger, stronger, nastier OL. We will be in the playoffs and could go deep there. I know I'm being a Homer here, but we were oh so close last year on offense without the improvements, and like you said 3-5 plays away from a playoff season. We'll make up those 3-5 plays and then some I believe.

 

Faster linebackers this year should help.

 

I'm not so sure Clemons and Dobbins will start DJ. I'm all for competition, but I still feel Crowder is better than Dobbins and will come out on top.

As for the FS position, I'm hesitant to say who will be our starter. Clemons has the physical skill set, but Culver is the veteran who will play solid and help stabalize the position. He may not make big plays, but he'll prevent them.

 

REally good article that helps to explain some of the reasons why the defense was so poor in 09, one of the largest reasons being the coverages were unsound and the players made to many mistakes in their assignments and reads.

 

Some defensive coaches have a saying that big plays are because of three things. They are missed assignment, missed alignment, and missed tackles.

I think that could be a very apt description of our defense in 2009.

 

I smell playoffs this year...we are already a gritty team and we got alot better imo with Marshall, Dansby, Nolan.

 

culver or clemons will be an upgrade over wilson, that's how I look at that situation.......If dobbins can't beat out crowder, then we stay very weak at one of the inside linebacker positions and our susceptible against the run and pass.

 

I agree Crowder is a liability out there.
I would love to see Dobbins take his job and believe it is possible
I can't fathom after five years how some people can still support Channing,

 

IMO the biggest reasons for the big plays we allowed last year were schematic and mental mistakes. Lack of talent was further down the list. That is why I never agreed with the push for wholesale roster turnover or the need to have four new starting LBs. I have stated many times that if we just had better play from a true FS many of those big plays would go away. The article linked above and the examples given in it illustrate that and echo what I have been saying. IMO that would yield far more than the 3-5 fewer big plays mentioned earlier in this thread. My guess is that with that one change we would have allowed 15-25 fewer big plays. And I agree that we would have easily made the playoffs.

Now, I did lobby hard for the addition of Dansby. We did need an upgrade from Ayodele and we needed Crowder to move over to the other ILB spot (and also to be healthy). We also needed more speed at LB in general. But in reality every LB in the league is at a disadvantage on most every pass route. If you check out the stats you'll find that even the best ILBs get beaten for the catch at least 50%-75% of the time. For example, Dansby's coverage assignment made the catch 70.9% of the time last year, Crowders guy caught the ball 76.3%. For comparison's sake Patrick Willis' guy caught the ball 77.3% of the time and IMO he's the best ILB in football. It simply isn't reasonable to expect your LBs to stop these completions. What is reasonable is to expect these LBs to make the tackle shortly after the pass is completed. The way the NFL offenses operate nowadays, most passes against the LBs are thrown short of the first down, so if your LB makes the tackle (or if your S backs him up immediately) your defense is likely to have prevented the conversion.

I also think that the expected maturation of our two young CBs, who have all the talent in the world, will cut down a few of those big plays. We didn't need a talent upgrade there we just needed those guys to gain experience.

So, IMO the addition of Nolan, better FS play, more speed at LB and the maturation of the CBs could very easily cut down the big plays we allowed by more than half, which would put is easily in the top 5 in that category. I think the biggest question marks from that list are at FS and whether the CBs will take that next step. I agree with DJ that Culver is an upgrade and I also think that a Clemons that has minimized his mental errors would also be an upgrade over what we had last year.

I don't agree that a healthy Crowder is a liability. That same healthy Crowder was rated as a top 5 ILB by PFF in 2008 and top 10 against the run. I think people see the errors and fail to realize that every ILB makes them and on average does so more often than Crowder. I also think Crowder is downgraded b/c he rarely makes those highlight hits. I watched many San Diego games the last couple of years and while Dobbins made more big hits, he also, on a percentage basis, filled the wrong hole, allowed the completion or generally messed up more often than Crowder. I like the Dobbins and believe he could be a starter, but he'd be a downgrade for our defense if he replaced Crowder. I also think it makes very little sense to remove his talent from our STs unit.

 

I think with Mike Nolan's defense we should put those big play mistakes to a minimum. If anything we should be creating big plays!!

 

I think it's a little unfair to heap all the blame on the FS. The SS (Bell) made mistakes as well.

Also the LB turn over issue I think was just as much about age as play. We were very old at OLB. This FO has systematically gone younger on defense. I just see this as a continuation of philosophy.

Next year we have Will Allen coming back so that should help on the mental mistakes as well.

 

I disagree. I don't see Crowder as a liability. I think he fits Nolan's defense.

 

IMO that was part of the system problem in that we were using both Ss as SSs. I think we'd be better off with more defined and separate roles.

 

The issue last year on defense was speed. Thats not really relevant to any single position, because I don't think any single starter was speed deficient per se, but overall we were just too slow.

 

Crowder will miss some tackles and he will take some bad angles. He is also smart and against the run makes the right choice more often than most NFL ILBs. On the whole, he is actually an above average ILB statistically. I'm not waiting for him to breakout, b/c he is never going to be Willis. He's just going to be a good starter for us and that's not a liability.

IMO CC gets far more criticism than he deserves. In '08 Crowder missed 12 tackles in 946 snaps (1 every 79 snaps). That same year Dobbins missed 10 tackles in 408 snaps (1 every 41 snaps). In '09 when Crowder was hurt he missed 10 tackles in 717 snaps (1 every 72 snaps). In '09 Dobbins missed 4 tackles in 299 snaps (1 every 75 snaps). I don't see how anybody can think that Dobbins will be provide an upgrade when he is far worse in coverage, equally poor as a pass rusher and misses no fewer tackles. It almost seems like people never watch other teams play. B/c when compared to other ILBs, a healthy Crowder fares pretty well.

 

It is probably because every time he has bene out of th elineup, we have actually been WORSE out there. He isn't great, but he has been the best of a haggard lot over the past few years. More of a front office problem than a Channing Crowder problem at this point.

I actually like what Channing brings to the team in terms of being a good teammate and a vocal leader on defense. I just wish he had more game changing ability in him.

 

Once again with the stats. I know you love that stuff but watch Crowder he lacks awareness and makes up for it sometimes because he has a big motor. He doesn't play smart at all. We have been told by the player and the coaching, even Parcells chimed in that he just runs around out there too much and is limited in structure. He knows it and they know it is a weakness that equates to a liability. I don't search out meaningless stats that deceive my eyes. I rely on what I see. You touched on earlier how LB's get burned in coverage 70% of the time overall and they better make the stop after the catch. Crowder doesn't do that well either from what I've seen.
I know we differ on Dobbins and have both dug in but I need something different. The quick extension tells me the FO might too regardless of Ireland's initial comments. Crowder has that injury history so he is often not healthy which is the main part of your debate. that is a big "if" my friend.

 

thus the reason we drafted AJ Edds to hopefully be the nickel LB
but when you see Channing getting plowed over by the likes of Mike Bell
time for a change. Edds doesn't give you that yet at all as far as stopping the run but Dobbins might. remember this is a new scheme

 

Unless you watch every game than what you see is an incomplete picture. You can't compare Crowder to other LBs without knowing how other LBs did. And I prefer to go on what I see, but I know that sometimes my emotions get in the way of an objective analysis. It's pretty obvious that having an emotional attachment will cause most people to do a poor job of analysis.

 

Just to clarify you can have an incomplete picture and still come to the correct conclusion. You just can't be 100% sure about your conclusion.

Not that I have a dog in this fight. The best man will starting job and that is all that matters to us as Dolphins fans. :up:

 

IMO you hit the nail on the head here. I think we were a step late very often. The lack of range displayed by our safeties was hard to watch.

 

Crowder will start for a few games, but Im not expecting him to go a full 16 so its nice to know we have some depth there.

Chiming in on what some others said about Crowder, I find it hard to come up w/ anything that he does well on a consistent basis. His gap shooting creates more big plays for the offense than the defense, and he's usually a step slow in play recognition even when he does read his keys. He's struggles as a blitzer, cant defeat blocks, and wont generate any pressure/sacks unless he's untouched to the QB. Crowder's a liability in man coverage vs all but the oldest and most decrepit NFL backs, he shouldnt be asked to cover any TE's either. His zone coverage abilities arent much better. Reading the QBs drop/eyes, knowledge of route combinations, short area quickness and ball skills, things you need to be an effective zone defender, are not in his skill set. Crowder doesnt run well either. He's not a sideline to sideline defender, he struggles to make plays on the edge at any less than 5-7 yds down field, thats if he scrapes fast enough to avoid being sealed inside by a blocker.

If I was forced to say that CC was good in any area it'd be physicality and intangibles. He seems to set the tone for the rest of the defense, mostly with talking, but when the other players seem to be motivated by it, there must be something there. When he's healthy, Crowder will trade facemask paint with just about anyone. With Dansby on board, CC will be asked to do the dirty work. Fill holes, stack, shed, spill, be the banger so that KD can be the chaser. Those are things that Crowder has shown he can do, though a little more consistency would be nice. Not having to play in nickel situations should cut down on his overall number of snaps, and hopefully that'll help him to last longer than he has the last few years. Dobbins and Edds can take a large chunk of those snaps, in Dobbins' case at least, there wont be much, if any, of a dropoff.

 

I think those are called guesses. And I find that most fan's accuracy in those circumstances to be way below the accuracy of those who bother to get a more complete picture.

In this thread alone, I see factually inaccurate statements. Claims that Crowder is below average in many areas where any objective comparison shows that he has actually been well above average when healthy. Now maybe people are basing their analysis on just last year when he was injured and can't recall the previous year accurately. Or maybe it's just human nature to place more weight on the more recent memory. Whatever the reason, any analysis that says a healthy Crowder is below average in nearly every category is wrong.

 

crowder an above average LB?
sorry man but you must be off your meds. :lol:
Even Parcells is constantly on him to play with more structure
this article was after the 2008 season when he was healthy
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8163/is_20090909/ai_n52021563/
Crowder is nothing more than an a below average LB with a big motor.

 

Your entire basis is "it's what I see", yet by every objective measure he was above average the last time he was healthy. The link you posted is a light criticism at best. And since Parcells had just signed him to a 3-year extension without even letting him test free agency, it's pretty obvious he/they liked him.

Personally, I rate him as an average starter, but his production in '08 was undeniably above average. In no way do I consider him a liability.

 

Crowder will step up his game on the inside w/Dansby
no problem @ the outside line backing positions either
We have a very big problem to resolve @ FreeSafety
Nolan has his work cut out for him to patch this one up

 

Every game I watch and look at CC, he is below average at best. Just my opinion from what I see.

 

we have LB's, let them compete

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Dansby, Crowder, and Dobbins on the field together at times.

 

I'm just afraid that Crowder might be "given" his role rather than having to fight for it.... or at least not fight as hard. I didn't see enough out of him last year to make me want to see him continue starting for us.

I think Wake gets a lot of benefit of the doubt from people here. He played enough downs and didn't do as much with it as he could have. High motor? Yes, but when will it translate toward more sacks? One-trick ponies only work when they do the one trick well, and often.

Still waiting to see what about Clemons makes some satisfied he will be acceptable for us at safety. Solid special teams play, but I'm not yet sold on him in the secondary.

 

not to worry, both Crowder & Wake are starters
there will be plenty of talent to develop & compete @ LB
the resolution of FreeSafety is the problem on defense