i see lots of threads about whos better than who, so i figured its time to start an official poll of who YOU would pick. we keep the #1 pick in the draft....who do YOU pick between these guys?
and i kept out any QB, RB, because its just obvious we wont pick one.
Chris Long
Jake Long
Glen Dorsey
Vernon Gholston
those are the only guys worthy of a #1 pick besides any QB or RB. so ur the coach (or GM), who do u pick?
Who do you pick with the #1 pick in the draft??
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Jake Long (LT, Michigan)
11 vote(s)13.3% -
Chris Long (DE, UVA)
37 vote(s)44.6% -
Glen Dorsey (DT, LSU)
24 vote(s)28.9% -
Vernon Gholston (DE/LB, OSU)
11 vote(s)13.3%
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If I'm the coach on Bill Parcell's team I would be merely a puppet so I wouldn't have any say in who the hell was drafted.
If I was the GM I would take Vernon Gholston because of his versatility. The guy is an absolute monster. He can put his hand down and rush the passer and he can stand up and play outside LB in coverage. He is just what the doctor ordered for a defense that needs a playmaker! -
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But I dont know Parcells...how did that happen?
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You can't go wrong with Little Howie. :ffic:
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If I'm the person calling the shot, I take Dorsey. He seems like the consensus best player. See how that worked out for the Texans when they took Williams over Bush even though Bush was the sexy pick? You take the best. If McFadden emerges as the next Tomlinson, you take him even though you have Ronnie.
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i would take chris we need some one else on the other side of JT
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None of the above.
James Laurinaitis is the pick. Even if we can't trade down. Every great defense is built around it's middle linebacker. (Or one of it's middle linebackers if it's a 3-4 defense.) We need a guy we can build our defense around. Laurinaitis is that guy.
Then in the 2nd round we take Red Bryant, the defensive tackle from Texas A&M. Think about it. He is 6-5 and 328 lbs. He would be a monster at the NT position. That's what we really need. Vonnie Holliday and Rod Wright are more than capable of playing DE in a 3-4 defense.
Laurinaitis and Bryant would improve our run-defense dramatically. Then in the later rounds you've still got guys like Spencer Larsen, J Leman, and Jonal Saint-Dic on the board. Not to mention Bruce Davis, but I don't know if he's big enough to play for Parcells and Ireland.
Imagine a 3-4 defense with Laurinaitis, Larsen, and Bryant in the middle of it. That would be formidable.
If you trade JT for a 2nd round pick, then you draft an OLB or DE to take his place at the OLB position. Parcells and Ireland like 'em big so Ezra Butler from Nevada would fit the bill. He's got the speed to play OLB in the NFL, too.
If you don't trade JT, then he mans the OLB position with Joey Porter on the other side. You eventually draft replacements for them, but your core would be set. Crowder would be an excellent backup. Or maybe you rotate him in to give JT and Porter an occasional breather.
ZT would be an amazing mentor for Laurinaitis and Larsen. How awesome would that be?
Then later in the 2nd or at the top of the 3rd you draft an OT like Tony Hills, Roy Schuening, Drew Radovich, or John Greco. -
Chris Long is 6-4 and 280 lbs. Now look at the DEs in Dallas' 3-4 defense: Marcus Spears is 6-4 and 300 lbs. And Chris Canty is 6-7 and 300 lbs.
I know Long plays in a 3-4 at Virginia, but he might be a better fit for a 4-3 defense in the NFL. Of course, I could be wrong. KB21, CK, and Boomer would know for sure.
Now if Parcells and Ireland think Long can bulk up without losing too much speed. Or if Long blows the doors off his 40-time at the combine, then I could definitely see us drafting him. -
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Chris Long has not run at the Combine yet. Obviously. But the 40-time I've seen for him is 4.79
The preferred 40-time for an OLB is 4.55 - 4.75
That's all I'm basing my comments on. So if Long runs a 4.6 at the Combine then he would obviously generate more interest from teams looking for an OLB in a 3-4 defense.
The preferred time for a DE is 4.70 - 4.90. Long's 4.79 is well within that range which is why I say he might be more suited for a 4-3 defense in the NFL.
But Dallas's OLB Greg Ellis is 6-6 and 270 lbs. So Long has the size Parcells and Ireland are looking for. -
would be nice to have a dominant LT...we rly need it to rebuild our line
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But the thing I don't like about about Connor is how often those tackles are made as the ball carrier is falling forward, taking Connor for a ride. He rarely knocks anybody on their arse. I know Boomer disagrees with me, but I wouldn't be surprised if Connor slips to the 2nd round.
Connor's teammate, OLB Sean Lee, often makes more plays than Connor in any given game. Lee is a junior. And I don't think he's expected to declare.
Laurinaitis has more of a mean streak. Also, he's bigger and faster than Connor. Still waiting for him to declare, but when he does, Laurinaitis will be the top-rated LB coming out. Definitely a Top Ten pick.
If Dorsey is the best at his position. Chris Long is the best at his position. Jake Long is the best at his position. Matt Ryan is the best at his position. And Keith Rivers is the best at his position.
Why not take the best ILB coming out?
Dorsey is shorter than you'd like a DE to be in a 3-4 defense. And too athletic to be a NT. Although I'm positive he can flat out play in any defense, Dorsey does seem like a better fit for a 4-3.
As I said earlier, Chris Long may also be a better fit in a 4-3 defense.
But the thing about Dorsey and Long is that they're both so good they would almost definitely excel in any scheme. Still, you'd like to put them in the best position to succeed.
Matt Ryan is a possibility, but I'd rather take a player who will have an immediate impact with the #1 overall pick. Taking a QB that high could mean a holdout. And you'd have to pay them for barely playing their first year. Unless you threw them to the wolves. Not to mention John Beck has shown potential (when he's not turning the ball over).Regan21286 likes this. -
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The knock against Jake Long is his pass pro. Michigan's offense is designed for Henne to take a 3-step drop and get rid of the ball quickly. How will Long do if he has to pass-block for a longer period of time?
Personally, I find it difficult to evaluate offensive lineman. I usually only notice them if they screw up. It's much easier to tell if a LB, RB, or WR is any good.
I also wonder if Sam Baker would have been ranked higher than Long if he wasn't injured this season. Ryan Clady, the junior OT from Boise St has declared. He's a potential Top 15 pick. And Gosder Cherilus is another top OT prospect.
But like I said, I wouldn't know which of them is the best. All I could do is tell you which ones made the most mistakes. But I generally leave the OL evaluations to the professionals. -
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isn't their a sympathy clause in the NFL that allows any team that loses its first 14 games to get the top 5 picks in the next draft. I say we take Dorsey, Long, Long, Gholston, and McFadden.
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I want either Chris Long or Gholston (especially if JT gets traded)
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1- Vernon gholston
2- Talib/Flowers/Cason
2- Fred evans
3- Janathon Geoff
4- Kendal langford :up:
Kendal Langford, DL, Hampton
Langford has an impressive combination of size and athleticism. He has the size to play inside at tackle, or on the end in the 3-4. He can hold his ground at the point of attack, but also shows the quickness and burst off the line to get into the backfield. His career numbers of 56 tackles for loss and 24.5 sacks speak to his playmaking ability. Langford is the ideal 3-4 end but also brings value to a 4-3 defense. A quality post season could make him a first day selection. -
In the last four years, the Cowboys have rarely just picked when they were supposed to. They usually swing a trade. In last year's draft, 7 of their 8 picks were shuffled due to a trade. In 2006, 6 of their 8 picks were shuffled due to a draft. And they made a few trades in 2004 and 2005 too.
I wouldn't waste too much time making mock drafts this year, because we may not pick in any of the spots we currently occupy.
As far as Dorsey goes, he seems like the real deal. The injuries are a concern to me, even though several people have said the injuries aren't a concern. I'm waiting to see how he plays in his bowl game. Supposedly he's been healing all this time and should be rarin' to go.
The other guy I really like is Jonal Saint-Dic, the DE/OLB from Michigan St. At 6-1 and 255 lbs. he is definitely big enough. The kid is just a playmaker. -
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I did like that Te that the put at De for a few plays, James Davis?
He looked pretty good as a De and caught a 2 pt conversion pass. -
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2- Talib or Flowers would be great. I'm not so crazy about Cason.
2- Didn't Cam Cameron kick Fred Evans off the team already?
3- Pass on Jonathan Goff. I watched him play twice this past season. Not impressed.
4- Kendall Langford is an interesting prospect. Nice find.
We might also take a WR in the 4th round. Darius Reynaud (WVU) or Jason Rivers (Hawaii) could be the pick there.
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I usually trust the times at NFLDraftscout.com, and like you say they have him at 4.79.
These are the forty times of NCAA defensive ends that can/project to be DE/OLB in the NFL(If I remember correctly).
Quentin Groves (6'3" 250 4.46), Derrick Harvey (6'5" 256 4.75), Chris Ellis (6'5" 256 4.74), Cliff Avril (6'3" 250 4.78), Darrell Robertson (6'5" 245 4.78), Titus Brown (6'3" 248 4.74)
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2008&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
His projected 40 time, at 6'4" 275 is not far off that group. Even if he stays in the mid to high 4.7 area you have to take into account his 10yd, 20yd, 3 cone, broad and vert. Obviously, his tape as well. Just from watching him play, I think he'll do well in most drills, and easily run in the low 4.7 area. Of course, that's just my opinion and means nothing. Like you said, he may be a better fit with his hand down in a 4-3, but I think/hope he has the ability to excel either way. If Parcells/Ireland intend to play the 3-4 and don't think he can make the switch, I see no way we draft him 1. Not trying to argue with you, nor for that matter, do I disagree with you. Just throwin' some stuff out there. -
And you mean TE Kellen Davis. I was impressed with him too. Love his versatility. He would be a great 7th round pick. (Assuming LBs Spencer Larsen and Gary Guyton are off the board.)
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Now granted, it was just a speed rush and he was pushed to the outside, but he was Te after all.
And JT has been used as a Te more then a few times over the years, Davis is a Te that is used as De at times.
If we weren't so deficient all over the place to the point that even 7th round picks will be needed, I would love to have him in Miami and see what he can do.
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