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Artificial Sweeteners Part 1- a slow death! Please read if you use them

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by ToddsPhins, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. MikeHoncho

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    Word. Grip 'n sip!
     
  2. Rocky Raccoon

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    Diet Snapple has aspartame too. What the hell am I supposed to drink then?
     
  3. ToddsPhins

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    it's not toxic. it's actually necessary for your body in the production of Vitamin D and has an astounding effect on the body. People know "excessive" amounts of sunlight can cause cancer and kill you.

    HOWEVER, you don't need excessive amounts of chlorine and formaldehyde to do serious damage. Are you going to spontaneously combust if you go out in the sun one day? lmao. You know when you have a sun burn and what it's like. the signs present themselves immediately. the toxicity of these chemicals CAN kill you immediately..... and in trace amounts can take years to build up unknowingly in your system before the basically detonate in to a s#!tstorm of problems. Nice try again though. Poor attempt to support an argument. I'd expect more from you.
     
  4. Killerphins

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    All symptoms of the Dolphin fan base on Sundays.
    Skip the soda..... consume liquid bread :up:
     
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  5. ToddsPhins

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    my wife and I did too for years before any symptoms showed up..... which is the very reason why people dont think to associate it to their diet drinks- b/c they've seemingly been drinking them for years without any health issues.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

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    youre hilarious. actually your ignorance is even more hilarious so thanks for the laugh, String. :lol:

    You're absolutely right..... it's complete BS! diet drinks have ONLY affected my wife and I, and I'm blowing the rest out of proportion for it. Forget the fact there were so many adverse reactions reported that the FDA decided to stop accepting them. There's definitely no money changing hands here between the artificial sweetener industry and the FDA to turn a blind eye. Absolutely none. The FDA is a high character, high moral agency that ONLY cares about the people's best interest. :shifty: The whole Vioxx thing and the "thousands of deaths that needlessly happened b/c the FDA ignored outside research stating the serious health risks for the drug" was all nonsense.... as was the FDA's attempt to control all "natural health foods/supplements deemed benefitial" with the use of prescriptions only, hence making it illegal for a company to state their orange juice is a health benefit w/o having a license/prescription to do so. :up: You really should get a clue as to how this country is run. And I bet you think the reason pot won't be legalized is b/c it's "bad for you".
     
  7. Stringer Bell

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    What sort of supplements do you suggest to cleanse my body from all these chemicals I've consumed?!?
     
  8. ToddsPhins

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    I meant to say that it "can" take years to show up.... but thank you for the correction, Nabo. :knucks:

    If I drink half a bottle now (did it just for kicks and giggles to see how it would effect me) I feel dizzy, foggy, and get a headache within 30 minutes of drinking the stuff. I get the same effects from Splenda as I do aspartame products..... and so does my wife. It used to make me fart like a mo'foer at times too.

    For me..... poison is poison. Even IF my body can metabolize it, why subject it to undue stress. But the fact remains we don't know how much or for how long we CAN metabolize this stuff before s#!t really starts going wrong. My wife and I know this first hand. If it can kill you within minutes in in a large dose, then why would you want to even risk it in small doses? :dunno: But I guess that's for others to decide for themselves. All I know is that I'm glad the symptoms I experienced are gone.... and that a meaningless beverage that serves no purpose other than taste isn't worth the "potential" of health issues. We're not even discussing how much they dry out your system...... and most of the people who consume diet drinks don't drink enough water in the first place, let alone the extra glasses they need to counter their sodas.
     
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  9. Phinperor

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    must stop drinking diet sodas...:pity:
     
  10. Boik14

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    water is awesome. All natural cleanser. Feel free to filter it if you'd like :yes:
     
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  11. ToddsPhins

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    EPA scientists found that the total toxic residues in our daily diet can exceed 500 percent of the recommended daily maximum – even if each individual food is within “safe” limits.

    It's thought that "some" of these toxins accumulate in your body for good (or is extremely difficult to rid them)..... which is part of the problem. If you're liver or kidneys can't process them, these toxins are transported to other parts of the body to be stored up- usually in connective tissue, which one of the reasons why we experience unnecessary joint pain, arthritis etc. We consume and consume w/o thinking there's an issue. But then all of a sudden when a problem arises it's hard to take it all away. I know for a fact my mind hasn't fully recovered and it's foggier and more forgetful that I know for a 100% fact that it should be.





    it would be wise to do a liver and kidney cleanse. They could always use a little help from time to time.

    I'd recommend anyone to use a "superfoods greens" drink. It does a great job of detoxifying the body and increasing your oxygen levels.... among MANY other things. One of the single most beneficial supplements money can buy. (Vitacost.com Garden of Life "super greens") fasting 3 days on this stuff with no solid food is a great way to help cleanse you out. Pretty tough to do though.

    There are special Oxygen drops (called "Cellfood") that work wonders. It uses a water-splitting technology created by the microbiologist who helped develop the hydrogen bomb. By utilizing hydrogen's non-radioactive isotope, deuterium, and a full blend of required trace minerals, enzymes and amino acids, it creates a unique solution, an 'electromagnetic equation' that could release vital oxygen and hydrogen into the blood, continues on reverse stream, removes toxic radiation, and rebuilds your systems.

    A month or 2 of "chelation therapy" is trusted and recommended, although that's more for metals, but still important none the less.

    A quality probiotic helps as well and should be taken daily..... even if it's yogurt. (with natural sugar like Stoneyfield)

    Doing an annual digestive system/colon cleanse is also recommended. Honesty. That's actually a huge priority for health and is very understated.

    PS: recommended to use the stuff w/o the scent crystals. LOL.
     
  12. ToddsPhins

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    honestly.... nothing outside of water or naturally flavored water (but be sure to look at the label to make sure it's not aspartame or sucralose). So many of these "so called" healthy drinks use the crap that it's become ridiculous. Otherwise, find a drink that uses a natural form of sugar.

    IIRC: sucrose, glucose, fructose or crystalline fructose (not to be confused with high fructose corn syrup), lactose, galactose, and maltose are naturally occurring sugars. Look for drinks that have any of these on the labels. No calories can actually make you gain more weight b/c they can spike your insulin levels and are horrible for diabetics. My wife gained about 25 pounds during her major diet drinking year where she was doing nothing but drinking the stuff. As soon as she switched to water or natural sugar drinks (her diet was unchanged), she lost all the weight. zero calorie doesn't mean zero weight gain. it only means zero calorie.
     
  13. NaboCane

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    You actually have a lot of options.

    You could make your own Kombucha tea; it's phenomenal for you, and the small amount of sugar is more than offset by its health benefits.

    The probiotics obtained from Kombucha are invaluable in maintaining the balance of your entire system, in particular your digestive tract. The acid in it is also identical to that in natural apple cider vinegar, which helps detoxify and aids in digestion, even aids in weight loss.

    In your local supermarket there are a number of near-zero cal, flavored sparkling waters that are lightly spiked with fruit essence, or you could make your own by adding some honey or agave nectar and small amounts of fruit juices to sparkling (or even still) water.

    Your body metabolizes agave nectar differently - more slowly - than sugar; honey as well, although not as slowly as agave.

    Honey also has the added benefit of being a natural anti-microbial and quite healthy for you.

    But honestly, reasonable amounts of sugar are not bad for you at all. REAL cane sugar. Thomas Kemper (a local oufit) makes one of the best lines of pops, including the best root beer, with cane sugar; Jones Soda does as well. And Costco carries Mexican Coca-Cola made with cane sugar.
     
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  14. sking29

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    Just my two cents but since I switched from drinking sugary drinks to diet sodas and eating more healthy I have actually lost weight. Admittedly I use the diet sodas to sort of give me a sweet fix when I want that cookie (maybe 2-3 12 oz diet sodas a day) or whatever but switching to all water is actually a good experiment to try. I will also admit that before when I tried living more healthy I would have something like a Gatorade and not a diet drink and I actually did have more energy, so this has me thinking. To think that cutting out my sugary Gatorades for a supposedly more healthy diet soda alternative could actually be doing more harm than good.

    Also I agree with Todd in that I have a distrust of man-made food and drink items and I think they could be an underlying source of cancer and other diseases (no proof here just my own thoughts). Point is this article, although it hasn't changed my opinion on diet drinks really, has made me think about drinking just water and seeing what the side effects are. My tap water may still be pumped full of drugs but who doesn't like a good tap water cocktail. :lol:
     
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  15. ToddsPhins

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    Nabo, I'm unfamiliar with Kambucha tea, but I'll have to give it a try for a few weeks sometime. Thanks for the heads up. There's a lot of stuff I do and have learned but I didnt want to throw it all into this thread. LOL.

    You can even drink a few drops of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide in distilled water for 4-5 times a day. The 1 unstable oxygen molecule in it does wonders for clearing lots of pollution and toxicity out of your system..... even as far as helping against beginning stages of cancer etc. the die off effect isn't very pleasant when your body is ridding all the toxins and pollutants out, but it means you're healing yourself.
     
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  16. NaboCane

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    Try the Kombucha, you'll thank me, believe me. I make a batch every week and don't make more because I simply don't have enough containers.

    The trick is to find a SCOBY (mother) locally to get started; try any natural healing centers near you, or believe it or not, craigslist. Don't let anyone charge you for one, though.
     
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  17. Stitches

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    Better filter it, because tap water has chlorine in it as well.
     
  18. cnc66

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    well String.. I quit drinking alcohol... I was a beer drinker, when I quit, I found filling my hand with a Pepsi can helped reduce the urge. After a fashion, I realized that drinking ten Pepsi' a day was WAY to many empty calories so I switched to diet.. I did not like the taste so the amount was easily halved but I started getting HORRIBLE headaches. Dibilitating headaches.. went to the doctor, he reviewed my dietary habits and noted the change in beverage.. he said stop drinking diet stuff.. I did, the headaches stopped immediately.. I'm not a dummy, the cause and effect were straight line... Every time I returned to diet soda, the headaches also returned.. say what you will , I KNOW the stuff is bad for me,.
     
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  19. Stringer Bell

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    Heck, skip it all together. Water is TOXIC! It may cause HYPONATREMIA! :omg:
     
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  20. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not surprised. Ten Diet Pepsi' per day is a lot.

    Did you switch back to regular Pepsi?
     
  21. cnc66

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    hmmm, you missed the part where I halved the amount ... five was still to many, but I used whatever trick I could to help me lose my obsession for drinking.. more than twenty years later, I still have not had even a single alcoholic beverage.

    no, after being away from HFCS' I found that it sat in my stomach like a rock, ... bummed me out, I really like pepsi.. I drink Jones soda, and every once in awhile, pepsi does a "throwback" where they use sugar again..
     
  22. Stringer Bell

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    If you go to a hispanic grocer, you can usually find coke made with real sugar. Also around the holiday season, some places will have Passover coke, made with real sugar.

    In regards to aspartame, any time you take more than whats advised, you run the risk of health issues. This is true for aspartame, as well as thousands of other things. If you drink too much water you'll die. If you take more than your recommended dosage of medication, you can die. I still do think that having the recommended daily intake of aspartame is a lot better for one's health than the corn syrup equivalent.
     
  23. cnc66

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    your continued use of water as an example is pretty weak bro.. just sayin'

    Don't drink Coke... I will however, next time I drop in a latin grocery store make a point of looking at beverage options.. 'preciate the tip.

    what exactly IS the recommended daily dose of aspartme ? :shifty:

    I cannot argue with the aspartme-hfcs statement.. I have never been a fan of hfcs, would let my son drink it.. efn big sugar caused that switch.
     
  24. alen1

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    Man, you guys work hard to stay healthy. Kudos. I eat and drink everything. One life to live, why not go for it all? (Except sea food lol)
     
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  25. Crappy Tipper

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    funny as it may be my local costco sells the real sugar mexican made coke by the case.

    It's some sort of great tasting.
     
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  26. Section126

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    I am 36 now..I have been drinking diet drinks out of habit since I was like 16. So that is 20 years.

    Maybe I don't drink enough of it.
     
  27. rafael

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    IMO eating whole foods is the key. I think that most of the health problems in the U.S. are related to eating such a high percentage of processed foods. You always see those studies that show Americans with higher levels of heart disease, diabetes, etc., compared to other countries regardless of how much fat, carbs or some other variable they are testing. I think the variable they should be looking at is processed foods. That's where we consume all those artificial sweetners and High Fructose Corn Syrup (which I agree is horrible for you). I can't tell you how many people I know that have reported feeling the same way you are after just a few weeks of making the same change you did (myself included). I think people worry too much about counting this or balancing that. I find it far easier to just eat whole foods like meats, eggs, cheeses, nuts, fruits, vegetables, etc.
     
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    IMO most people just get used to feeling a certain way. I've known many people who have given up something or made a change and then realized that they felt better in some way they never imagined. An easy example is getting glasses. I never thought I needed glasses b/c the change had been gradual and fairly small. I could even drive without any correction. Then in college I got tested and got glasses for school. It was shocking how much more I could see.
     
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  29. ToddsPhins

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    You're only 18. You wont feel anything yet...... for a while. that's a BIG FAT :wink2:

    "One life to live"-- exactly!!! So make sure you do it right and not screw it up to where you regret some of your decisions. :yes:

    Honestly Alen, now is the time you should really start eating well b/c by the time you're 30, what you've been doing in your 20's catches up to you.... and you'll have wished you had set yourself up better. Knowing that you delayed the aches and pains AND wrinkles etc is a beautiful thing brother. It's a serious f'n eye-opener once you realize you're ACTUALLY getting old; then everything you've done up to that point suddenly flashes before your eyes...... then you think about all the things you could've done to have given yourself a few extra years. It happens to ALL of us.

    On the other hand...... if you've practiced very good health, you get excited every time you notice people around you aging at a faster rate than you are. I'm 35 and I still get carded from time to time.

    I promise you-- you want to be that 35 year old man who looks like he's 27 and still gets the attention of 21 year olds........ NOT the 35 year old man that 21 year olds look at and see their father. :lol:
     
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  30. ToddsPhins

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    Damn Section!! That's impressive. I wish I had a system capable of eliminating that efficiently!! I only drank diet for a few years before it started hitting me hard.

    There could come a time where that takes a toll on your liver and kidneys though..... to where they cant eliminate as efficiently, and the toxins are then sent out to other parts of your body to be stored- usually in the connective tissue. I had bloodwork done and my liver and kidney functions were all out of whack, among other things. So if you ever begin feeling abnormal joint or back pain, sore knees or ankles, that could be a reason why. I used to have EXTREMELY inflamed knees after being on my feet for a while. And now I don't.
     
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    Switched to Coke Zero/Diet Coke from regular soda a while ago. Lost 25-30 lbs and haven't looked back since. Haven't felt any short term side effects. Never drank Splenda and I have no interest in trying it.
     
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    That's what happened to me with glasses.
     
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  33. ToddsPhins

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    The crappy sugars, processed foods, and crappy carbs are health killers.

    They're basically the catalyst that sets up our insides to become a toxic dump where all disease and parasites can then thrive in...... and it all begins in your digestive system.

    Those kinds of foods greatly affect the body's PH--- lowering it to be precise. It starts a huge chain reaction of poor health. In a nutshell, the lower the PH, the higher the chance that disease, pollution, and parasites can grow and spread. It's just like a fish tank. In a tank, when the PH drops, fungus and parasites etc flourish..... and your fish begin to die off. The more the PH drops, the nastier it gets. However, as soon as you neutralize the PH, conditions begin to return to normal.

    Not only do these crappy foods lower our PH, but they also feed parasites, yeast, and disease that live off sugar (carbs). Oxygen absorption is also inhibited when the PH drops, which is a big reason why cancer etc can develop and spread. Disease can't live in an oxygen rich environment; not to mention every cell needs oxygen to live and function properly. So if the O2 is low, disease can be high. If the O2 is high or proper, disease is low.

    Now as the oxygen stays low and disease & pollution increases, our cells become less and less healthy, not to mention they're not getting the proper nutrients they need to survive if a person is eating this crap to begin with. Our body is only as healthy as its weakest cells. Cells that don't get the proper nutrients and O2 needed are very resilient. Instead of dying, they can actually change themselves into single celled organisms living independently from our bodies to where they now are anaerobic instead of aerobic, meaning they live off glucose (sugar) rather than oxygen. So they look like normal cells, but they arent; thus making them the perfect homes/protection for disease.
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

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    Everybody should go buy this stuff:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qq9wOTS2ZY"]YouTube- Oxygen Elements Plus[/ame]
     
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    My wife and I love Jones Soda. Pure cane sugar is the best.
     
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  36. ToddsPhins

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    That stuff is awesome. I've used it (or it's rival Cellfood) for years.
     
  37. Boik14

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    Or better yet, buy it bottled from the source like poland spring :omg:

    Really, water and juice (Oj, grape juice...especially welch's grape, and apple juice not minute maid like 3% juice-97% water with high fructose) seems to be the best for me.

    I stopped drinking soda and eating fried food when I was about 19 or 20 and dropped about 40 lbs in like 4 or 5 months. Didnt change anything else at all.

    So you consume everything and skip the best part (seafood)? You have a lot to learn buddy :console:

    Yes sir, we are in complete agreement here. I find that when I eat whole foods I feel better, stay more active, and it affects everything from my work habits to my sleep habits. I still love chocolate but I guess everything is ok in small doses :yes:

    I experienced the same thing with the glasses in college. It is amazing how that works, eh?
     
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  38. Stringer Bell

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    You can't be serious. You realize that stuff is just part of a MLM, i.e. a pyramid scheme?
     
  39. NaboCane

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    I don't. I want my body to let me know the second something is bad for me...it's the "early-warning system" that I count on.

    Whether aspartame affects you symptomatically or not, it is what it is and the human body processes it the way it does, and makes formaldehyde out of it - that is fact. If you don't feel it anymore because you are inured by custom, I don't see that as an advantage.

    Years ago there was a place in South Miami called The Serpentarium; a man named Bill Haas ran it, and he was one of the world's leading experts on snakes.

    From handling venomous snakes on a daily basis, Haas had been bitten hundreds of times over his lifetime, exposed to the venom of rattlesnakes, cobras and even other more deadly toxins. He was bitten so much that he actually developed an immunity to every snake venom known to man; so much so that his blood was often used to create antivenin for people who had been bitten by snakes.

    Point is: your body can build immunities to even the most potent neurotoxins in existence; doesn't mean it's necessarily a good thing, although in Haas' case, it was. Sort of. By the time he died at a ripe old age, his hands weren't much more than petrified wood at the ends of his arms from the deadly effect of all that poison in their tissue over time.

    I can't imagine any desirable outcome to developing a resistance to the symptoms of formaldehyde in the blood, when in the end the long-term effect is going to be what it is anyway.
     
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  40. ToddsPhins

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    Believe what you want, but no, it's not. I know first hand it's not.... and so do millions of people world wide that the stuff has helped.

    Are you one of those people who believe everything the govt and "so called" experts tell you?
     

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