Tua is not the Problem

lol

 

the ones who wanted to move on from tannehill were absolutely correct in their evaluation.

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything, dj.

 

You continually misrepresent view points you disagree with. No one has said the defenses are overrated. Not one person.

What people are saying are the defenses Tua has faced on a whole and have played very well against are in the large part bad defenses.

 

Dude.. in the last 2 pages you have made up facts like no other poster. You just lie, lie and lie. This latest one added to the list.

You make other anti-Tua posters look bad. Problem is they're willingly associating themselves with you.

 

This thread (which I thought I declared closed about 15 pages ago) is no longer serving any type of constructive purpose. The same points of view are continuously being repeated over and over and worse, it’s devolved into an “us” vs “them” p1ssing contest.

No body has anything noteworthy to say.

 

I agree.

 

But posts like this are even worse. There's actually still a decent amount of discussion going on in here. Better to have it in one thread rather than a bunch of threads being started.

 

The second quote he didn't say they were overrated, he said they played lousy.

 

Go jags!

 

Well...
1) You said "defenses," which is plural. Multiple teams. What other teams was this said about?
2) You also said "like so many are doing with Tua." Who else said "the defenses" were overrated besides hitman8?

Your exaggerations, misrepresentations, and hysteria are all becoming a bit much.

 

resnor, you really can't make the connection between the first quote and the second quote? I know you can, just stop.

 

At minimum both Buffalo games. Remember all the attempts (including by you) to claim Buffalo’s defense the first time we played them had far more injuries than in any other game and that they weren’t really a #2 defense or even a “good” defense when we played them? I posted the injuries they had for each game showing that claim was false.

There’s been a very systematic attempt to claim the defensive ratings of the very good defenses we’ve faced didn’t apply in multiple games, so what I said is literally accurate, i.e., the claim is that they were “over” “rated”.

 

How is it literally accurate? Where did I say the defense or multiple defenses were overrated? Show me. It's literally inaccurate. Stop making stuff up to suit your arguments. Simple stuff.

 

You made the excuse of the injuries more than anyone for that first Buffalo game. Hitman has just recently made the overrated statements for the second Buffalo game.

You never said overrated, you hammered the injuries.

Hitman said overrated.

He's lumping you all together because you all make the same points and then all like eachothers every single post. Very easy to lump you all together.

 

It's literally accurate because you guys were claiming the defenses' ratings were far higher than they actually were when we played them. That is, their #2 rating was not accurate. The actual rating should have been much lower when we played them. That's literally claiming they were overrated whether you use that word or not because it means the same thing logically.

I tried to make that clear by putting quotations around "over" and "rated" but that flew past you I guess.

 

I never said anything about Buffalo's defensive ratings not having weight. And what other "defenses" was this said about? Again, you are making things up to fit your agenda. You just can't stop though.

 

Unbelievable. I already explained everything. Now you're in full troll mode of simply repeating the false claim that I'm making things up. Your strategy is simply to keep repeating lie after lie regardless of the merit of the argument.

I think you've proven conclusively you are not here for an honest debate. Total lack of integrity in your debating style.

 

All you did was make up more lies and get caught in them, and now playing victim. As TheHighExhaulted stated, I spoke about the injuries in the first Buffalo game, however I never called Buffalo overrated. These are very different things. I'm sorry this language is difficult for you, but different words mean different things. You need to stop misrepresenting everyone's position to fit your arguments.

 

More lies from you. Worst poster on the site because of your dishonesty.

 

Can't even reply, and want to hurl an attack. It's pretty clear who is being dishonest here. Whatever.

 

Tacos, you stated no one ever on here stated Buffalo's defense was overrated when in fact someone you're closely associated with, Tua wise, stated this.

Cbrad, Tacos never said Buffalo's defense was overrated but he downplayed terribly how effective the defense still was without the main pieces.

Just a misunderstanding.

 

“Tua misses Pro Bowl”

 

No it's not a misunderstanding. He's just a lier. Check out this page:
https://thephins.com/threads/tua-is-not-the-problem.96818/page-81

I kept saying Buffalo's defense was #1 ranked at that time despite injuries and that it was a strong defense Tua faced. StaleTacos repeatedly kept on saying there's no way what I'm saying has merit because of all the injuries Buffalo had. That's logically the same thing as claiming the defensive ranking is not accurate when we played them irrespective of the use of the word "overrated". This isn't about a word, it's about the claim being made that defenses Tua faced were overrated.

StaleTacos is just a troll. He's not an honest poster. And he lied about his stance regarding defensive rankings too.

 

True. I missed hitman8 saying that. However, it's more beef with cbrad for saying that "many" are saying the "defenses he faced were overrated." When really it was just one poster saying it once about one defense. I guess it doesn't have the same ring to it.

LOL. I still see cbrad continuing to claim a team is overrated and a team is weakened by injuries is the same thing. Peak stubborness.

 

You said this.. LIER:

Again.. most dishonest poster on this site. A pure troll and lier.

 

OK. The first time I said whatever, it's a typo. Now a second time. I don't think you know how to spell the word "liar." No wonder why you are having such a difficult time here.

And what I said was factually accurate. They were the #2 team coming into the Dolphins that day. They held opponents to 8.5 points through 2 games. Tampa 6.5. And again, stating a team is weakened defensively <> overrated. These have very different meanings. I can't believe how stubborn you are. It's shocking.

EDIT: You added another edit and misspelled liar again. Good stuff.

 

Yes.. I misspelled liar. Thank you.

Regardless, you're still not admitting that it was you that was lying the entire time. I didn't misrepresent anything. I said you argued the rating was not accurate at the time we played Buffalo. You literally said that as I just proved. And it was YOU that made the connection between being weakened defensively and overrated:

So YOU made that link. Again, I didn't misrepresent anything. You however keep making false statements and accusations. LIAR (spelled correctly this time).

 

Wow, now THAT is surprising. Tagovailoa received the most votes of any player, has led the league in every significant category, has first year head coach on the verge of making the playoffs his rookie season and get snubbed.

 

Saying a #1 (or #2) defense isn't playing up their ability/greatness due to injuries isn't saying they are overrated. I know you really want this to be the same thing, but it just isn't. I actually think they are a great defense and aren't overrated. They were the #1 defense in 2021.

You can keep calling me a liar, but in reality you conflated and misrepresented different takes, and can't apologize or recognize it.

 

What’s significant is that the voters are comprised of coaches, players and fans. The fans are the ones who voted for him and the coaches and players are the ones who voted against him.

 

See.. this is where the lack of integrity comes in. How about we revisit your posts again. You said this:

Clear LIE.

You also kept saying this:

Clear LIE given it was at least 2 posters, with one of them talking about 2 defenses.

And now you're repeating the claim

Clear LIE again. YOU made the link.

This is all on top of your made up "facts" about passer rating not taking into account Y/A, about "reading" that IAY/A has a higher correlation to win% than passer rating, etc. All LIES. And you can't own up to them either.

 

Yeah sure. Someone falsely attacks my integrity you can expect hell back from me. It's clear who's being dishonest here.

 

Nice. You've now resorted to chopping up posts to play gotchas. I'll play. They weren't the number #1 defense when they played them. They were #2. It's factually accurate they weren't rated #1. Your turn.

Nope. Again, this is you conflating calling a team overrated and saying they are weak due to injuries. Keep digging that hole instead of just owning up to it.

 

Yup. Can't own up to having made all kinds of unnecessary false claims. One day you'll realize it's better to own up early on in the debate so you don't dig yourself a hole like you did. Anyway, I stand by what I said. You're a troll and the most dishonest poster on this site.

Merry Christmas dude!

 

Even people on your "side" of the Tua debate said you were wrong with the "overrated" remark. I owned up to not seeing hitman's post. You though are on your own island of stubbornness and self-righteousness. Enjoy that and Merry Christmas to you too!

 

You haven't owned up to all the other false statements.

And TheHighExhaulted made that claim about me being wrong before he knew you literally said Buffalo's defense wasn't #1 when we played them, which is logically the same as saying they were overrated when we played them (my claim). If somehow TheHighExhaulted still thinks I'm wrong I'll argue with him too. But I doubt he still holds that opinion. Pretty clear I was right.

 

Cbrad, I am with you because Tacos is twisting his language.

Tacos, you know what you're doing, you are arguing "something" without actually saying that "something". You aren't objective enough, with your extreme non-Tua narrative, to get away with the "I meant something without saying the something else" routine.