Agreed. Ross alluded to this on his interview with the Finsiders right after the Gase PC. It was around the 6 minute mark.

Next step is to get a DC whose head is not up his ***. Then bring in 4 average FA olinemen, then get a safety to pair with Jones, then a couple of average CBs, then a real MLB, then collect trophies.

 

The CULTURE.

Until that's fixed, the rest means absolutely nothing.

 

I thought the coach was supposed to say I need a player and the GM was supposed to go out and find that player? it seems like the GM was saying we need a player and the coach was saying WTF?

 

Agreed

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Define what you mean by "culture".

 

Culture is the quality in a person that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent. Culture is development and improvement of the mind and body by education and rigorous training.The players and staff (all involved), including management by in to what Quality is and adjusts the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a what produces success on the football field. It must be part of you, inside of you. Culture is not just coming to work and "doing your job". Culture are the little things that you do daily to prepare for battle on Sunday. It is you. It is how you walk. How you talk. How you think. Culture is the sum of all the people in the organization and is transferred among each other in a way that develops chemistry and domination of the opponent. Culture are systems set up by like individuals who cultivate and grow each individual player so they may perform at the peek of their abilities. Culture is running that last 1/4 mile when you are ready to fall down because it takes more to be number 1. Culture is the product and growth of the individual and then the team to accomplish winning the Super-bowl. Culture is a defined process where individuals are challenged everyday in a controlled environment. An environment of Excellence. Culture is not settling for being second and not letting others settle.

 

It's all bull**** we need an offensive line till than nothing happens defense offense all struggle when your 3 and out 9/10 times I don't care what free agent stud you pickup!

 

This x1000, it's so simple...We need a Tunsil-ectomy.

 

Simple Definition of "culture" from Merriam-Webster:

The beliefs, customs, arts, etc., of a particular society, group, place, or time

A particular society that has its own beliefs, ways of life, art, etc.

A way of thinking, behaving, or working that exists in a place or organization (such as a business)

 

You could have just said "winning" and/or "scoring more points than the other team at a much more frequent clip".

 

I'd prefer not to because it will inevitably lead down the road of you ruthlessly picking it apart and I don't want to get into another long-winded spat.

The word is pretty clear to most.

 

I wanted to define it and could have went on and on but in the interest of keeping it short I hope made my point.

I cant stand when I hear a player say to do your job, because it is so much more then that. Each player is a key part of the cycle and it doesn't take much for 2 or 3 to kill a whole team. (the whole one bad apple rotts the bunch syndrome) There are so many players that "get fat" in the off season and come in to camp lethargic and not ready to play. The distraction and the time and energy needed to get them ready is not fair to the Team. These types of players would never make it on a team like New England. They are consistently the best because their players get it. If you don't you will be down the road in a heart beat. It's part of the culture that has been built. Expectation levels are so high that players over achieve. This is a big reason why a lot of players that do end up in NE end up excelling and having career years.

 

Its not clear. Its like elite, it can have similar meanings that have specific differences. Some people think elite means Top 5 or Top 3 or Top 1 or 2. Some think it could mean those but of the season while others think it means of all time.

It's honestly not my intention to pick apart your definition of the word.

 

So if the bold is true, how do you change the "culture" to that, if you don't start winning first?

 

It's not difficult to change culture - define it for now as a pattern of behavior you can identify a group of people with - if you have the power to fire people from their jobs.

Don Shula changed how his teams practiced and instilled discipline from the get-go. Dolphins were a 3-5 win team before him and suddenly he comes here and we're a perennial contender. Those changes happened in the offseason before the players (that were kept) experienced winning.

 

The players don't buy into anything until they start winning or you coddle them. These are million dollar alpha males.

 

I just gave an example where that theory doesn't quite work.

 

No you didn't.

When Shula took over the Dolphins, the players were not millionaire alpha males.

Shula became increasingly less effective as players became more and more expensive.

 

It's crazy to think that football teams aren't driven by culture. It is the biggest differentiating factor between teams IMO.

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Of course they do - it's human nature. Football players being wealthy and alpha males makes culture all the more important; players want to be part of a culture that promotes respect and recognition for their performance.

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Suffice to say I disagree that a culture does not exist until someone wins. It inherently cannot.
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So, a coach comes in, generally to a down and out team, and he makes all these new changes and the players buy into them a 100% and then start winning? Interesting.

Its more likely that a coach tries to instill his "culture" (which as of yet, you've not defined for what you think it means) and if his schemes and gameplans work correctly, the team wins and THEN they buy into the "culture".

PS, no one said "culture" doesn't exist before. The discussion was about the team needed to change its culture. I asked how that can be done before you win?

 

A culture is easily defined, and I can't believe this is even a point of discussion.

Culture: values, beliefs, and behaviors that dictate how people act internally and externally.

Example: a trait of winners is being highly collaborative.

I have no doubt that teams that win are collaborative before they win. I don't think a team could ever win without being collaborative.

A winning culture is inherently not based upon outcome.

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New England would add "well" to that, but I digress. Doing your job (well) is all it takes.

 

We gotta start drafting better. Our players don't work in Miami, and they don't go on to another team and play well. If we were bringing in more talent, I think things would fix themselves.

 

To me, if the NFL is a culture dominated by millionaire alpha males, the HC then has to be a larger Alpha male then the athletes, this was Tuna's approach with acquiring team captains etc, already motivated talent.

Have the view that the Dolphins Franchise, for the last decade, simply cannot draft offensive linemen who can step in and perform, and that litany is endless. Recall the heady days of Alibi? What is John Martin doing nowadays?

Dallas Thomas? And on and on and on, basically aside from Richie Incognito, no FA signed here has played even to their past levels, Albert being dinged of course, no non #1 or #2 draft pick on the offensive line has developed in over a decade.

This is an oddity of the Dolphins, James=Pouncey=Albert all played well, all had a lot of resources put into them, every other "starter" on the offensive line was simply terrible, thought Dougles did "ok" at Center, otherwise..not so much.

Until that is addressed, the Franchise has to overpay for offensive linemen, we will be mediocre or worse, that is the #1 thing that must be addressed

 

If you two can't privately put each other on ignore and end your petty back and forth that derails threads consistently we can do it for you. And from there the options get thin. So I'd suggest ending it and simply utilizing the ignore feature. Next time it won't be a warning. Clearly you two wouldn't agree with each other if one said "Water is wet"

 

They need to put an opera house and a cooking school near the practice field.

 

Bingo! Not hard to understand. :knucks:

 

Then why didn't you describe it! Your reply when he asked you to, was a cop out. As FinD said it can be interpreted different ways.

Acting as if you have all the answers by saying "fix the culture" is a lame blanket statement. When you say "fix the culture" all I gather from you is "just win more".

I believe a "winning culture" comes AFTER winning has been established. You have to have credibility, trust and a PROVEN method of opporation and THEN players will "buy into" your coaching staff and winning becomes the norm.

 

Culture is all about drafting the right players..players who love the game so much they would play for free, players that you know who have excellent work ethic, and you never settle for less, you may sacrifice a bit in talent, but it makes up for it in other ways..

 

It wasn't a copout. It was intended to avoid another BS string of nonstop arguing .... like what is happening AGAIN right now - specifically with how you're addressing me.

Your interpretation of what I mean is completely on you. I'm happy to have the conversation with Stringer because he's civil about it.

 

Im addressing you this way because you have no tact with how you treat people. FinD asks you describe what culture means and you refuse. Stringer describes it and you latch onto HIS definition with "Bingo! Not hard to understand :knucks:". So in other words FinD is an idiot for not understanding?

Btw....You don't deserve civility because you don't offer it to anyone else.

 

Not sure why my response to this was deleted....

Its not realistic for you to assume everyone goes by the same definition of culture. The way the word is being used here puts it into the same category as elite, franchise, etc. These are words that people have different definitions of. That's not me being crazy or unreasonable to ask.

Being collaborative is trait of a winning culture, having it doesn't mean you automatically have a winning culture. Just like all humans have hearts, doesn't mean if something has a heart its automatically human. So telling me teams need to be collaborative before they can win doesn't, in any way, say a winning culture exists before a team wins.

Lastly, in this discussion, there is no way to have a winning culture BEFORE a team starts winning. These players will do what they are told from a gameplan standpoint and if the gameplan is correct, the team will start winning. Then the culture changes. Until then, it won't.

On top of all that, most of us have no effing idea what the actual culture on a team is like to begin with. We have no idea of the infighting and lawlessness that goes on teams behind closed doors. Even Shula had little if any control over the team outside of providing them proper gameplans.

This isn't high school ball or the movies.

 

You're relentless. Enough already.

Besides, I don't even have to say anything. My point is proven in how Stringer's opinion is being attacked - which is exactly why I avoided getting into further discussion.

 

"Attacked"? Stringer isn't being attacked, he's being disagreed with. We respect him here.

You on the other hand came to this forum like a massive hurricane full of negativity and insults. Now you're playing the victim and playing nice. We will see how long that lasts. That's great, but I have my doubts.

 

..... and it continues. (P.S. you also didn't see the replies to Stringer that Boik had to delete).