There are plenty of theories, but all are just that, theories. I suppose the most prevelant theory in society would be some form of God. Whatever you believe, its all faith at that point, no one has any answer to the first particle of matter in the universe. Considering as current science stands, matter cannot be created from nothing, so it seems illogical to me anyways that the universe started from anthing other then the intelligent creator. Thats just faith though...

 

I've always felt that the idea there's some being/force/deity was an outlandish notion. If that is even the least bit plausible, then it should be equally plausible that the matter just existed already. The point is, why is one more plausible than the other.

 

I thought that the "pinhead size" theory was used to explain that inflation wouldn't have to exceed the speed of light. That the kind of exponential growth they are talking about can only happen if it all started out that small. :confused2:

 

honest questions here.

how can anything exist unless something first existed before it?

did this point of infinite mass and energy just decide on some idle Tuesday to expand, or was it prompted to by an outside force? re: inertia

how do they get the caramel into Caramilk bars?

 

Nothing. The creators essense is existense. It may sound a little too outlandish for some, but i dont find it hard to believe at all that something as amazing as the cosmos was created by something supremely powerful. Im not nessecarily saying its the God i have in mind, but thats another discussion.

Finascious, your argument is what held my faith back for a couple years now. My parents brought me to church as a kid, but we werent a very strictly religious family, moreso the older i got. From about 15-17 yrs old, i questioned the notion of God for what you said above. But over the last year (im 18 now), my thought has changed on that idea. The reason God is more plausible is because He is not constrained to our laws.

The assertion that matter could have just always existed seems as plausible in theory, but if there is no God, the laws we see around us would always apply. Its a law that matter cannot be created. Something broke that law that is more powerful then any human law.

Its illogical to imagine a beginning of time, its a concept beyond the scope of human reasoning, time has no beginning by definition. Thus, something greater then human logic, laws and reasoning must be the cause of this crazy universe.

I know the "the world is too perfect to be an accident" argument is played out and pretty weak in substance, but if you look at it with an open mind i tend to agree.

With all this being said, i again want to say its still all faith, we probably never will know on this Earth which kind of dissapoints me as im a curious person to a fault. I just feel like its hard to know much when you dont even know something as fundamental as how did we get here. But like i said, if you dont agree with me, more power to you, most of you guys are probably smarter then me anyway, im very open to opposing arguments on this subject because right now im just spouting on my short 18 yrs of experience.

 

The subject of this thread has evolved but it reminds of me of something that happened in college at a class in physical geography. During a lecture on streams I had a question, I don't remember what, and the professor answered with a question: what is the purpose of a stream? The question puzzled me and I asked something to the effect of why would a stream have a purpose? The professor couldn't give me a technical answer and simply stated "it's like it has a mind, isn't it?"

 

Don't sell yourself short my friend. Whether we agree or disagree here, it's obvious to me that you are wise far beyond your years. :up:

 

The point is, how is that any less less plausible then the concept of a creator? Did a infinitely powerful mass just decide on some idle Monday to turn into a bearded man in the sky and blink everything into being? And is that probable enough to force our lives into a set of rules laid down, by humans, in the name of that creator?

 

I'm not asking you if there is a god.. I think I know the answer to that by your avatar.

The question is:

how can anything exist unless something first existed before it?

 

Much thanks brother!

 

If you're not really going to read what i wrote, what's the point in answering your questions? Besides, I asked the question first? If its possible there's a god/force/whatever that obviously came from nothing, why isn't possible that the singularity began from nothing?

 

Do you know what Carl Sagan said when asked:

how can anything exist unless something first existed before it?

"I don't wanna go there"

What if the Creator has always been? Then it gets more interesting.

i think we need a Philosophy forum.. lol