A More Vocal Tannehill...?

"eltos_lightfoot wrote:

Or, you could just admit you were wrong and move on like we all do when we make a grand pronouncement that was wrong. Usually, though, we do the digging up ourselves and laugh at ourselves. Then we move on. It’s all good my man!

Wrong about what? I stand by my statement that most of the time, he is not very accurate with the long ball. He had one EXCELLENT long pass yesterday. With him that's the exception, not the rule

"canesz06 wrote:

Wrong about what? I stand by my statement that most of the time, he is not very accurate with the long ball. He had one EXCELLENT long pass yesterday. With him that's the exception, not the rule

LOL. This is why they bookmark the post. In fact, we have all bookmarked the post. :D Good luck this season.

"canesz06 wrote:

Wrong about what? I stand by my statement that most of the time, he is not very accurate with the long ball. He had one EXCELLENT long pass yesterday. With him that's the exception, not the rule

But you're wrong. That's been wrong since Tannehill entered the league. We've wasted countless hours on this site arguing this"deep ball issue" citing the stats and showing how ridiculous the notion that Tannehill is a bad deep ball thrower is, yet here we are, with people still maintaining that Tannehill is inaccurate in deep balls. Ludicrous.

Someone was arguing today that Tannehill isn't accurate on intermediate passes...again, wrong. That's been a strength of his since day one.

"canesz06 wrote:

Lots of Tannehill slurpers on this site today. I hope your hero plays well this year, I really do.

You know that sometimes spewing BS on a message board gets people arguing with you, right?

"eltos_lightfoot wrote:

So a 75 yard TD has to exceed ANY interception. No one, not Brady, not Rogers is going to have that.

Actually I think Brady's the only one who's ever done that. That is, I think he's the only QB who did NOT have more interceptions than 75+ yard TD's in a given season, assuming we put some minimum requirements like 100 passing attempts in that season.

In 2016, Brady had 28 TD's and 2 INT's for a season rating of 112.2, and 2 of those TD's were 75+ yarders: a 79 yard TD to Chris Hogan against Baltimore on Dec. 12th and a 77 yard TD pass to Julian Edelman against Miami on Jan 1st, 2017.

"canesz06 wrote:

Lost what exactly? He had an ok game with 2 pics, one was HORRIBLE in the end zone. That's who he is. A mediocre qb that looks good once in awhile. Go home and gaze at your Tannehill poster little fan boy

I don't think anyone around here will say RT is a finished product or a top tier QB yet, but I do think some people underrate his play. Sure, there are a lot of things he needs to improve on, but there are also a lot of things he does well. We won the game and everybody from Gase on down to us fans are saying we still have more work to do. We are happy with the win, but no one is satisfied. Everyone is working hard to get better. As long as we come out to compete and play with high energy I will be happy. It's when we come out flat, are lack luster, and shit the bed that I get pissed off. The game yesterday was far from that. It wasn't perfect, but we competed all day long. I am really impressed with our energy after the rain delays. If it were me, I probably would have fell asleep. We won. RT and his supporting cast, the defense, and ST played well enough to win. It's on to the stanking Jets!

"resnor wrote:

You know that sometimes spewing BS on a message board gets people arguing with you, right?

Yeah but what have I said that's bs? He is a mediocre qb. Just cause the truth hurts some people's feelings, doesnt make it false.

"canesz06 wrote:

Yeah but what have I said that's bs? He is a mediocre qb. Just cause the truth hurts some people's feelings, doesnt make it false.

You can't say something about a player and then someone posts data totally debunking your claim and then just say "well I don't care he sucks".

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You can't say something about a player and then someone posts data totally debunking your claim and then just say "well I don't care he sucks".

You can if you are canesz. It just also makes you wrong.

"cbrad wrote:

Actually I think Brady's the only one who's ever done that. That is, I think he's the only QB who did NOT have more interceptions than 75+ yard TD's in a given season, assuming we put some minimum requirements like 100 passing attempts in that season.

In 2016, Brady had 28 TD's and 2 INT's for a season rating of 112.2, and 2 of those TD's were 75+ yarders: a 79 yard TD to Chris Hogan against Baltimore on Dec. 12th and a 77 yard TD pass to Julian Edelman against Miami on Jan 1st, 2017.

A moved goalpost that Brady has met once. I stand corrected. :tongue2:

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You can't say something about a player and then someone posts data totally debunking your claim and then just say "well I don't care he sucks".

What data? That article posted earlier? I said he's not very accurate WHEN HE GOES DEEP. You should try comprehending what you read. Also, I never said he sucked. I said he's mediocre. Again, you have a tough time comprehending things

"eltos_lightfoot wrote:

You can if you are canesz. It just also makes you wrong.

So cause my opinion is different than yours, I'm wrong? Well, there are a lot of people with my opinion, so I guess you're wrong. See how that works

"canesz06 wrote:

Lots of Tannehill slurpers on this site today. I hope your hero plays well this year, I really do.

I've been on the record all these years as a fairly harsh Tannehill critic. At the same time though, I think people have to state why you don't like someone and have reasoning behind it. My biggest peeves was his footwork in the pocket and not moving well when pressured, plus he did miss a lot of deep balls with the various speedsters we had. Looking back though, you'd see guys like Wallace break their stride and then blame the QB for not being accurate. The drops weren't all on the receivers but there were quite a few that could have been caught with 100% effort.

2016 changed me though. His pocket presence improved, and this season it almost looks like a strength. Gase said recently that RT evolved more last year on the bench that at any other point because he was allowed to process what was happening in 3rd person without the pressure. Cutler was also an EXCELLENT QB choice because his best trait was Tannehill's worst....that sliding in the pocket stuff. If you didn't see major changes in 2016 though once we got the line halfway sorted out, it's because you didn't want to see it. That loss he had against NE in 2016 still reminds me of the battles folks like Marino and Elway used to have- he was sensational down that stretch.

Additionally, he had one of the highest deep ball accuracy stats in the league in 2016- his deep passing is just not a valid excuse to not like the guy. That pass last night was sensational as well, and he only went deep twice total. If he can hit a TD and a pick every two bombs I'll take that every day of the week- any coach would.

Is Tannehill equal to Dan Marino? Nope. But Marino didn't have a solid run game or a young feisty defense either. We need Tannehill to be a game manager that limits mistakes to let our skill players move the chains.....he doesn't have to be the superstar. And in that regard, I think he's the perfect QB for this team at this time.

Do me a favor- reserve judgement for RT for three more weeks. Get back to us after the NE game and tell us what you think then. If you still think he's a bum then I'll be fully on your side....but I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll be 4-0 at that point and a lot of viewpoints will change.

"KeyFin wrote:

I've been on the record all these years as a fairly harsh Tannehill critic. At the same time though, I think you have to state why you don't like someone and have reasoning behind it. My biggest peeves was his footwork in the pocket and not moving well when pressured, plus he did miss a lot of deep balls with the various speedsters we had. Looking back though, you'd see guys like Wallace break their stride and then blame the QB for not being accurate. The drops weren't all on the receivers but there were quite a few that could have been caught with 100% effort.

2016 changed me though. His pocket presence improved, and this season it almost looks like a strength. Gase said recently that RT evolved more last year on the bench that at any other point because he was allowed to process what was happening in 3rd person without the pressure. Cutler was also an EXCELLENT QB choice because his best trait was Tannehill's worst....that sliding in the pocket stuff. If you didn't see major changes in 2016 though once we got the line halfway sorted out, it's because you didn't want to see it. That loss he had against NE in 2016 still reminds me of the battles folks like Marino and Elway used to have- he was sensational down that stretch.

Additionally, he had one of the highest deep ball accuracy stats in the league in 2016- that's just not a valid excuse to not like the guy. That pass last night was sensational as well, and he only went deep twice total. If he can hit a TD and a pick every two bombs I'll take that every day of the week- any coach would.

Is Tannehill equal to Dan Marino? Nope. But Marino didn't have a solid run game or a young feisty defense either. We need Tannehill to be a game manager that limits mistakes to let our skill players move the chains.....he doesn't have to be the superstar. And in that regard, I think he's the perfect QB for this team at this time.

Do me a favor- reserve judgement for RT for three more weeks. Get back to us after the NE game and tell us what you think then. If you still think he's a bum then I'll be fully on your side....but I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll be 4-0 at that point and a lot of viewpoints will change.

I never said he was a bum. For the love of Christ, all I said is that he isnt very accurate when he throws deep.

you guys are on here puffing out your chests cause he had one fantastic, awesome, beautiful long pass yesterday. I thought that was great too. Let me ask you, why are you ignoring what i said about that GOD AWFUL, HORRIBLE interception he threw in the end zone? How accurate was that? That wasnt even close.

"canesz06 wrote:

I never said he was a bum. For the love of Christ, all I said is that he isnt very accurate when he throws deep.

Which was not correct.

"canesz06 wrote:

you guys are on here puffing out your chests cause he had one fantastic, awesome, beautiful long pass yesterday. I thought that was great too. Let me ask you, why are you ignoring what i said about that GOD AWFUL, HORRIBLE interception he threw in the end zone? How accurate was that? That wasnt even close.

Unfortunately for you, all you said was he wasn’t accurate deep. Which isn’t true. If you want to have a separate conversation about the interceptions, we could do that. But first? Admit he can throw deep accurately.

"canesz06 wrote:

I never said he was a bum. For the love of Christ, all I said is that he isnt very accurate when he throws deep.

For the Love of Christ, where did I quote you calling him a bum? I talked about deep ball accuracy and his footwork (which effects deep ball accuracy).

I was trying to take the high road here and end an argument- I'm one of the few here that almost everyone gets along with. So if you feel like you have to troll me for validation, then the problem might not be the other folks on the site. Just saying....

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

I don't think anyone around here will say RT is a finished product or a top tier QB yet, but I do think some people underrate his play. Sure, there are a lot of things he needs to improve on, but there are also a lot of things he does well. We won the game and everybody from Gase on down to us fans are saying we still have more work to do. We are happy with the win, but no one is satisfied. Everyone is working hard to get better. As long as we come out to compete and play with high energy I will be happy. It's when we come out flat, are lack luster, and **** the bed that I get pissed off. The game yesterday was far from that. It wasn't perfect, but we competed all day long. I am really impressed with our energy after the rain delays. If it were me, I probably would have fell asleep. We won. RT and his supporting cast, the defense, and ST played well enough to win. It's on to the stanking Jets!

I never thought about that aspect having my Jay Cutler to learn from. Interesting...

"KeyFin wrote:

For the Love of Christ, where did I quote you calling him a bum? I talked about deep ball accuracy and his footwork (which effects deep ball accuracy).

I was trying to take the high road here and end an argument- I'm one of the few here that almost everyone gets along with. So if you feel like you have to troll me for validation, then the problem might not be the other folks on the site. Just saying....

I'm not trying to argue with you. I,thought your post was good. I agree with what you said. Here is a direct quote from your post.
"Do me a favor- reserve judgement for RT for three more weeks. Get back to us after the NE game and tell us what you think then. If you still think he's a bum"
Does that not imply that i said he was a bum? If that's not how you meant it then disregard my response

"eltos_lightfoot wrote:

Unfortunately for you, all you said was he wasn’t accurate deep. Which isn’t true. If you want to have a separate conversation about the interceptions, we could do that. But first? Admit he can throw deep accurately.

When he starts throwing deep accurately on a regular basis, I will. He had one EXCELLENT deep ball yesterday. Lets see what he does the next few weeks

"canesz06 wrote:

you guys are on here puffing out your chests cause he had one fantastic, awesome, beautiful long pass yesterday. I thought that was great too. Let me ask you, why are you ignoring what i said about that GOD AWFUL, HORRIBLE interception he threw in the end zone? How accurate was that? That wasnt even close.

Tanny cant throw the ball when it's wet. Gase is saying the ball slipped out while Tanny was throwing and we've seen him cough it up in the preseason a couple of times.

Maybe he should dry his balls before he handles them.

"canesz06 wrote:

I never said he was a bum. For the love of Christ, all I said is that he isnt very accurate when he throws deep.

But that is incorrect, and that is the problem. You can have the opinion that he was or is a bad deep ball thrower, and still be completely wrong in that opinion.

Which you are.

"canesz06 wrote:

So cause my opinion is different than yours, I'm wrong? Well, there are a lot of people with my opinion, so I guess you're wrong. See how that works

Where are they?