Advanced Stats Poo-Pooing on Tannehill

So we put the ball in the air for the shortest amount of distance, yet gain the most distance by the time is over, and this is a bad thing? Minimize risk and maximize gain. Keep doing every week until they stop it; point blank.

What's wrong with getting the ball into the hands of your playmakers early and let them do the damage? Isn't that how many offenses would like to operate?

Well, that's just pointing out that our receivers made big plays. That's not a knock on the QB...it just means that his job was made easy by good teammates.

Are they poo-pooing Brady for getting his stats off illegal pick plays for the past 10 years?

"Conuficus wrote:

So we put the ball in the air for the shortest amount of distance, yet gain the most distance by the time is over, and this is a bad thing? Minimize risk and maximize gain. Keep doing every week until they stop it; point blank. What's wrong with getting the ball into the hands of your playmakers early and let them do the damage? Isn't that how many offenses would like to operate?

They didn't win the *right* way to get Tanne's DYAR up.

There is probably a consistency factor that is under-represented in their modeling, considering he didn't throw his first incomplete pass until the 19th attempt of the day when he threw a catchable ball at Dion Sims who didn't go up for it well. I mean he set an NFL record for number of consecutive pass completions.

Otherwise yes it should be taken as a given that passes traveling less distance are easier to complete. If they're under-rating important factors like ball placement, timing and decision-making then that's one thing. But if those are accounted for then yeah I'd expect Tannehill's high resolution metrics for the game to be positive but not nearly reflective of the perfect passer rating he achieved.

If that's what it takes to put up 35 points on offense every week (not counting Jone's pick-6), I'll take it. You're probably not going to lose too many games when you're scoring the way Miami has the past two weeks.

I doubt that we get 4 50 yd TDs in any other game this year, the point of this article is sustainability, counting on 50 yd catch and runs for your scoring isn't sustainable.

"Conuficus wrote:

So we put the ball in the air for the shortest amount of distance, yet gain the most distance by the time is over, and this is a bad thing? Minimize risk and maximize gain. Keep doing every week until they stop it; point blank.

What's wrong with getting the ball into the hands of your playmakers early and let them do the damage? Isn't that how many offenses would like to operate?

It's a tactic that has been used by some other mediocre qbs a la Joe Montana and Tom Brady.

"Mrtree wrote:

It's a tactic that has been used by some other mediocre qbs a la Joe Montana and Tom Brady.

Not the same, they do commercials. Every single day...every single day...every single day...the cheatriots dynasty gets a liiiiitle bit older and that window shrinks just a bit more lol. Can't wait for Garapapoop to take over.

"Linus wrote:

Are they poo-pooing Brady for getting his stats off illegal pick plays for the past 10 years?

If this post was a woman, I would want to make love to her.

"ckparrothead wrote:

There is probably a consistency factor that is under-represented in their modeling, considering he didn't throw his first incomplete pass until the 19th attempt of the day when he threw a catchable ball at Dion Sims who didn't go up for it well. I mean he set an NFL record for number of consecutive pass completions.

Otherwise yes it should be taken as a given that passes traveling less distance are easier to complete. If they're under-rating important factors like ball placement, timing and decision-making then that's one thing. But if those are accounted for then yeah I'd expect Tannehill's high resolution metrics for the game to be positive but not nearly reflective of the perfect passer rating he achieved.

Ill take 10 more games with him playing like last Sunday please...this is where I think this kinda stuff gets over thought...lol.

Meh. Even Tannehill said after the game he didn't do much. That was obviously modesty kicking in but that offense is all about getting the ball in the hands of your playmakers. In the last two games our playmakers have done just that, made plays.
Don't see how you can ding him for that.

Really though, Brady feasts on those short yardage throws as well.

"Linus wrote:

Are they poo-pooing Brady for getting his stats off illegal pick plays for the past 10 years?

Most of Brady's passes are within 5 yards as well, but because they are so good at it and the WR's get YAC, that offense gets praised.
I always think back to how many times I watched Jerry Rice take a 5 yard pass and end up with a TD out of it.

Sunday was a make up for all the games in which he got 0 YAC. I'm looking at you Brian Hartline.

We attempted maybe two long passes that I can remember, but why would you bother?

"Tin Indian wrote:

Meh. Even Tannehill said after the game he didn't do much. That was obviously modesty kicking in but that offense is all about getting the ball in the hands of your playmakers. In the last two games our playmakers have done just that, made plays.
Don't see how you can ding him for that.

Really though, Brady feasts on those short yardage throws as well.

Of course not. And why ding him? He can and does make all the throws.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2015/week-7-quick-reads

Even Tannehill's touchdowns were all short passes. Tannehill's four scores were thrown to receivers an average of 5.8 yards past the line of scrimmage, and those receivers then gained an average 36.0 yards after the catch. And that latter number is actually skewed low by a red zone touchdown with 8 yards after the catch. His other three scores all came after at least 36 yards after the catch.

All in all, Tannehill's average pass on Sunday traveled only 3.4 yards past the line of scrimmage, and his average completion came just 3.1 yards downfield, both the lowest of any quarterback this week. On the other hand, his average completion produced 12.6 YAC, the highest of any quarterback this week, by more than 4 yards over any other starter.

Whats the issue?

"KeyFin wrote:

Well, that's just pointing out that our receivers made big plays. That's not a knock on the QB...it just means that his job was made easy by good teammates.

Or it was possibly made easier by the Texans just sucking. Probably more likely a little bit of both.

We'll find out more over the next 3 weeks if our offense has taken giant strides or if we benefited from playing poor defenses.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2015/week-7-quick-reads

Even Tannehill's touchdowns were all short passes. Tannehill's four scores were thrown to receivers an average of 5.8 yards past the line of scrimmage, and those receivers then gained an average 36.0 yards after the catch. And that latter number is actually skewed low by a red zone touchdown with 8 yards after the catch. His other three scores all came after at least 36 yards after the catch.

All in all, Tannehill's average pass on Sunday traveled only 3.4 yards past the line of scrimmage, and his average completion came just 3.1 yards downfield, both the lowest of any quarterback this week. On the other hand, his average completion produced 12.6 YAC, the highest of any quarterback this week, by more than 4 yards over any other starter.

LBer writes for football outsiders? Now its making sense.

"Finster wrote:

I doubt that we get 4 50 yd TDs in any other game this year, the point of this article is sustainability, counting on 50 yd catch and runs for your scoring isn't sustainable.

The article is also not factoring in that the gameplan was short quick passes, to eliminate the pass rush. Sure, 50 yard catch and runs for tds may not be sustainable, but short, quick passing has been a staple of the NE offense for more than a decade.

"Linus wrote:

Are they poo-pooing Brady for getting his stats off illegal pick plays for the past 10 years?

Agreed... and not coincidentally, the Pats lead the league in Offensive Pass Interference calls this season, getting flagged at a rate of over 1 per game. The majority of other teams will not have an entire season total of OPI calls that the Pats had through 5 games. Most come off plays where Edelman picks the defender attempting to free up Amendola on the sideline, though Gronk likes to push off as well, then go into comic theater straight from the WWF when flagged.

"Conuficus wrote:

So we put the ball in the air for the shortest amount of distance, yet gain the most distance by the time is over, and this is a bad thing? Minimize risk and maximize gain. Keep doing every week until they stop it; point blank.

What's wrong with getting the ball into the hands of your playmakers early and let them do the damage? Isn't that how many offenses would like to operate?

It isn't a bad thing per se, but air yards are a lot more predictive of future success than YAC.

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well **** this proves Tannehill sucks, guess we better draft goff.

"tannehill doesn't throw passes to allow YAC"
"tannehill got too much YAC"

lols.

"dcafiero wrote:

"tannehill doesn't throw passes to allow YAC"
"tannehill got too much YAC"

lols.

Yep. He simply can't win with some fans.