Aftermath of Bills loss:Trade players for picks?

The Bills will not trade anyone to the Dolphins or anyone else in the AFC East. Sorry to bust your bubble.

I could see them trading Lynch or Jackson to GB for a pick. GB has a huge hole at RB right now and if they want to make a deep playoff run they;ll need a better starting quality rb

"Wagon Circler wrote:

10 yrs of bad decisions coming to a head this year for the bills. It's painful.

Now do you see why we were saying you suck?

Tim Graham blog post - mods sorry if this is too much, but its pretty short overall. :)

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- In my halftime observations post from the New York Jets' 38-14 walkthrough against the Buffalo Bills, I gave a rundown of how nonexistent the Bills' past seven first-round draft picks had been through the first two quarters.

The update I'm about to deliver isn't much better.

* Receiver Lee Evans (13th overall in 2004): one catch for 6 yards.
* Safety Donte Whitner (eighth overall in 2006): 13 tackles.
* Defensive lineman John McCargo (26th overall in 2006): a healthy scratch.
* Running back Marshawn Lynch (12th overall in 2007): four carries for 8 yards, lost fumble, no catches.
* Cornerback Leodis McKelvin (11th overall in 2008): burned on a 41-yard touchdown pass to Braylon Edwards.
* Outside linebacker Aaron Maybin (11th overall in 2009): a few plays, zero tackles, apparently surpassed on the depth chart by sixth-round rookie Arthur Moats.
* Right guard Eric Wood (28th overall in 2009): holding penalty to put the Bills at second-and-19 at their own 11-yard line.
* Running back C.J. Spiller (ninth overall this year): two carries for 11 yards, one receptions for 4 yards, five kickoff returns for 110 yards.

Of course not, that'd make too much sense for BUF.

"Boik14 wrote:

I could see them trading Lynch or Jackson to GB for a pick. GB has a huge hole at RB right now and if they want to make a deep playoff run they;ll need a better starting quality rb

Lynch is the most logical guy to get shipped off - they don't have the touches for 3 RBs right now. Just lean on the cheap Jackson and youngster Spiller while they find a QB and OL. Lynch was teammates and friends with Rogers at Cal as well, and Rogers has openly said he would welcome Lynch.

As far as other players, I guess Lee Evans could go to a team like Washington or the Vikes maybe. Florence and Whitner would be interesting moves, with no immediately obvious spots.

The Bills biggest problem is thinking Edwards was a franchise QB for years and not reinforcing the OL. They were just good enough to make people think they could get to the playoffs for years, but were in the downward spiral all along. It will be a tough climb back up.

I for one wouldn't object to throwing a 3rd at them for Spiller. :taunt:

"Darrelle Revis wrote:

The Bills will not trade anyone to the Dolphins or anyone else in the AFC East. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Yes, because no team has traded within their division in the past year. :001_rolleyes:

"Wagon Circler wrote:

10 yrs of bad decisions coming to a head this year for the bills. It's painful.

Same thing happened to the Dolphins for about 6 yrs, just terrible drafts with no vision attached.

Whether or not they move players inside the division it will be interesting to see what Rook GM Buddy Nix does over the next 3 weeks.

I suspect he has a bit of AJ Smith in him, but we shall see, moving Evans to the Vikes would make sense for both teams, the Vikes could afford him, the Bills really don't need him. And it would make more sense for the Bills to move Fred Jackson to Green Bay rather than Lynch.

"Wagon Circler wrote:

10 yrs of bad decisions coming to a head this year for the bills. It's painful.

It's pretty simple. The Bills need a quarterback. They get that guy and the team is instantly competitive.

"Darrelle Revis wrote:

The Bills will not trade anyone to the Dolphins or anyone else in the AFC East. Sorry to bust your bubble.

If I’m Buffalo, I realize it’s 3-4 years before I’m competitive assuming that a rebuild proceeds quickly and the team hits on most of its draft picks immediately. In that instance, I take the picks and don’t worry what my division rivals are doing.

Roscoe Parrish to the Dolphins makes a lot of sense.

"Desides wrote:

If I’m Buffalo, I realize it’s 3-4 years before I’m competitive assuming that a rebuild proceeds quickly and the team hits on most of its draft picks immediately. In that instance, I take the picks and don’t worry what my division rivals are doing.

Roscoe Parrish to the Dolphins makes a lot of sense.

This makes sense to me. Just get as many picks as you can. The players aren't doing anything for you now, so who cares if they go to a division rival. Get picks. Hope they pan out. And when they do, the people you traded away will be over the hill anyway.

I DO NOT trade CJ Spiller.

"gunn34 wrote:

This makes sense to me. Just get as many picks as you can. The players aren't doing anything for you now, so who cares if they go to a division rival. Get picks. Hope they pan out. And when they do, the people you traded away will be over the hill anyway.

Exactly. If you aren’t going to be competitive any time soon, then the short-term success of your division rivals is meaningless in the calculus of rebuilding.

I DO NOT trade CJ Spiller.

Or Leodis McKelvin. Everyone else should be for sale.

I would love to have Lee Evans. He's completely checked this season though. I wonder if we'll hear the Tyler Thigpen rumors start up again.

Donte Whitner would be the best pickup for the Dolphins IMO.

For all the complaints we have had about the Fins over the last decade, Buffallo is a complete embarresment, for a once proud franchise.

Terrible coaching/gm hires, terrible drafting, complete lack of vision for building a football team. Just horrible.

Passing on Oher for Maybin was ridiculous. going Spiller over a QB/Iupati/Earl Thomas was ridiculous.

Even STL seems to have finally gotten things moving in the right direction.

Help is on the way

Just finish last...

"Wagon Circler wrote:

Agree with Oher but we already have byrd so Earl Thomas really wasn't an option. QB at 9? So we should have taken Clausen about 30 picks before he was taken?? Anthony Davis was taken by San Fran before Iupati and he's been terrible. CJ will be fine the team around him is just garbage.

Look at STL, a QB changes everything. On the flip side look at AZ. When you go from playing in the superbowl with a HoF qb, to starting garbage 'bills-like' qbs, then you get blown out on a weekly basis.

Take the QB. Build around him. Free agents don't want to come to this losing team. It's going to have to be through the draft and first thing is first, QB!

The Rams were horrid for 4 seasons WC, and play in a much much weaker division than the AFCE will be for the next 4 seasons.

Imho:

-Two Tackles
-3 Lb's
-passrushing DE assuming Maybin is the bust he appears to be.
-Te
-new Wr corps

I'd filter in some UDFA type Tackles like Meredith, and try to sign impending CFL FA Phil Hunt, churn and make do at Te and then see which Wr's want to stay in Buffalo.

its miami from 2004

"Wagon Circler wrote:

You are such a visionary...You have mastered the obvious.

This from someone who said the Jills would drop a 40 burger on us. :sidelol:

"Wagon Circler wrote:

Free agents don't want to come to this losing team. It's going to have to be through the draft and first thing is first, QB!

Free agents will go to the worst teams if it means big money. Example: Jason Brown leaving a Ravens team that made it to the AFC Championship Game and going to what turned out to be a 1-15 Rams squad.

Your team’s problem is that free agents don’t want to go to Buffalo. Not the Bills. Buffalo.

If your draft success rate begins to approach Jeff Ireland levels, then you’ll be a good team again… eventually.

"Wagon Circler wrote:

Cardinals gave up 50 points on defense in the playoffs and still won because they had a qb. It's a pretty easy formula really, the teams with good qbs are good, the teams with bad qbs are bad. We have the opportunity to start the reformation with the most important position and it's a mistake to do anything but that.

You do realize that both the Packers and Cardinals were choc full of All Pro types on Defense and Offense?

Aaron Rogers took 3 yrs to develop, Curt Warner was a SB champion and made several playoff runs with both the Rams and Cardinals..

My issue with the Bills is, Nix is not very dynamic, Irish will move a player out of Miami in 2 days and bring someone else in to do the job, Nix just gave Kelsay an extension..after 3 games..and he is 30..WTH?

"Wagon Circler wrote:

What are all pros on defense worth when they give up 50+ pnts in the most important game of their lives? Rodgers sitting for 3 years doesn't equate to success. Matt Leinart anyone?? Kevin Kolb?

Kelsay is wack as hell but we're running a 3-4 and we have 0 linebackers. He's awful but all of our LB's are awful so it's a pretty evil situation anyways. Pos would probably be alright to keep if the talent around him was upgraded.

How can you say Nix isn't dynamic so soon? I mean he just started and was given a pile of dung to work with. I don't know any team who switches to the 3-4 and lights it up from the get go. The bills dug themselves a huge hole and it's going to take more than one draft and 4 games to make a big impact.

Well, I followed how Ireland rebuild the Phins and he constantly churned the bottom 15 players on the roster, including practice squad players, Nix isn't doing so.

that is how Gems are found, if you keep running the same players out on the field, you will get the same results, why not take some shots like starting Donald Jones?

In 2008, Ireland made 100+ roster moves..how many has Nix made?

"Wagon Circler wrote:

What are all pros on defense worth when they give up 50+ pnts in the most important game of their lives? Rodgers sitting for 3 years doesn't equate to success. Matt Leinart anyone?? Kevin Kolb?

Kelsay is wack as hell but we're running a 3-4 and we have 0 linebackers. He's awful but all of our LB's are awful so it's a pretty evil situation anyways. Pos would probably be alright to keep if the talent around him was upgraded.

How can you say Nix isn't dynamic so soon? I mean he just started and was given a pile of dung to work with. I don't know any team who switches to the 3-4 and lights it up from the get go. The bills dug themselves a huge hole and it's going to take more than one draft and 4 games to make a big impact.

Pos is not a 3-4 LB. Too small to play inside and probably not strong enough. He needs to add 10-15LBs if he wants to play inside and shed guards. Your best LB according to Pro Football Focus is Andra Davis right now while Kelsay is actually your worst. Buddy Nix = overmatched :wink2: