Ajayi took his shot

Ajayi should be pissed. He single handedly led us to the playoffs last year, and we traded him for a bag of potato chips. He has every right to feel disrespected. Let's not kid ourself, if it wasn't for the performance of Ajayi last season, Gase may not have his job today.

Gase doesn't have a clue what he is doing, and anytime a player challenges him, that player is sent packing #SeeYaJuice. I can see the future, Gase sends our talent walking this year and gets fired next year. The cupboard is left bare.

"tirty8 wrote:

Ajayi should be pissed. He single handedly led us to the playoffs last year, and we traded him for a bag of potato chips. He has every right to feel disrespected. Let's not kid ourself, if it wasn't for the performance of Ajayi last season, Gase may not have his job today.

Gase doesn't have a clue what he is doing, and anytime a player challenges him, that player is sent packing #SeeYaJuice. I can see the future, Gase sends our talent walking this year and gets fired next year. The cupboard is left bare.

Joking?

"danmarino wrote:

How are you able to foresee the future? Are you a wizard?

Haha touche'. Ratio was for '17.

"danmarino wrote:

When you're playing from behind you tend to pass more.

Ah yes, and our wondrous defense that was built to "play with the lead". What a bunch of horse-shit-eating-eagles-fan that is.

Anyways, there were too many times were we abandoned the run last year just like we did under the Philbin regime. Just because your down a score doesn't justify tossing common sense coaching out the window.

"texanphinatic wrote:

1) SCHEME is one of the least important things in football. **** your precious schemes that require a precise type of player to pull off. In today's NFL you MUST be adaptable, versatile, open to change and innovation. If you try to jackhammer scheme into things, you will **** it up. That was his true genius. He didn't force Foles to be Wentz, he changed the playbook to do what Foles does well.

You really have that backwards. Scheme is absolutely important, but you must be flexible according to your players strengths, and must be versatile within it. The Eagles were still a modern WCO under both Wentz and Foles, the difference was Pederson being flexible and added a few handful of concepts that fit Foles's strengths.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Yeah, but if you look at the top 16 passing teams in the league (by %), I think the passing % went from around 59% to 64%. That's not a huge discrepancy and I don't think it really means anything other than the Dolphins were playing from behind the majority of the season.

"danmarino wrote:

Yeah, but if you look at the top 16 passing teams in the league (by %), I think the passing % went from around 59% to 64%. That's not a huge discrepancy and I don't think it really means anything other than the Dolphins were playing from behind the majority of the season.

It is when you consider play counts.

We had the fewest number of run plays in the entire league with a pitiful 360 on the entire season. On the flipside, take NE who had a 40/60 run to pass ratio and yet had 516 runs.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

It is when you consider play counts.

We had the fewest number of run plays in the entire league with a pitiful 360 on the entire season. On the flipside, take NE who had a 40/60 run to pass ratio and yet had 516 runs.

According to ESPN the Pats had 482 rushing attempts and 550 passing attempts. Miami had 477 passing and 405 rushing. So the Pats passed 53% and the Dolphins passed 54% of the time.

In the post season, the Pats threw the ball 67% of the time. 141 vs 68.

"danmarino wrote:

According to ESPN the Pats had 482 rushing attempts and 550 passing attempts. Miami had 477 passing and 405 rushing. So the Pats passed 53% and the Dolphins passed 54% of the time.

In the post season, the Pats threw the ball 67% of the time. 141 vs 68.

I don't go to ESPN for statistics. I have memberships with Pro Football Reference and with Sharp Football Analysis (where I pulled the ratios from), both a far more accurate and detailed.

According to that source, the Pats threw for 67% of the time in the playoffs . . . and lost. That's key.

"danmarino wrote:

According to ESPN the Pats had 482 rushing attempts and 550 passing attempts.

You're looking at 2016 stats lol
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2016/seasontype/2

In general ESPN and pro-football-reference both tend to agree with the official nfl.com. There will be an occasion here or there where they don't and you have to be careful about that. Actually if there's a discrepancy it's more likely with pro-football-reference which occasionally actually has errors in it (they might not sum totals correctly!).

But both sources are VERY good, and I use pfr almost exclusively as the database my program searches.

"cbrad wrote:

You're looking at 2016 stats lol
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2016/seasontype/2

In general ESPN and pro-football-reference both tend to agree with the official nfl.com. There will be an occasion here or there where they don't and you have to be careful about that. Actually if there's a discrepancy it's more likely with pro-football-reference which occasionally actually has errors in it (they might not sum totals correctly!).

But both sources are VERY good, and I use pfr almost exclusively as the database my program searches.

Shit!..lol...So the Pats passed 57% (448 runs vs 587 passes_ of the time in 2017. The Dolphins passed 62.5%, 602 passes vs 360 runs.

"danmarino wrote:

This is why he's no longer a Dolphin and currently the 3rd string RB in Philly. He's immature.

Also, Drake is better.

in fairness, they did say he had a foot issue.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

I don't go to ESPN for statistics. I have memberships with Pro Football Reference and with Sharp Football Analysis (where I pulled the ratios from), both a far more accurate and detailed.

According to that source, the Pats threw for 67% of the time in the playoffs . . . and lost. That's key.

yes, but they also put up 30 points... that is not bad and the only team to lose scoring that many points.

On Jimmy Kimmel, I thought it was interesting that Kimmel said, "Shouldn't you take this opportunity to thank the Dolphins for trading you?" You can tell the question sort of took him by surprise since he never thought to be thankful for that.

I said in the past that I wish there was some way that we could have kept him, but now I really am glad the guy is gone for good. Even with Philly's far superior run blocking, he bounced a few outside during the Super Bowl when there were gaping holes at the point of attack as designed. He's a very selfish me-first player and that's why he got two carries in the 2nd quarter then sat for a very long time. Philly wasn't taking his freelancing crap either.

"KeyFin wrote:

I said in the past that I wish there was some way that we could have kept him, but now I really am glad the guy is gone for good. Even with Philly's far superior run blocking, he bounced a few outside during the Super Bowl when there were gaping holes at the point of attack as designed. He's a very selfish me-first player and that's why he got two carries in the 2nd quarter then sat for a very long time. Philly wasn't taking his freelancing crap either.

That's absolutely false. Don't fabricate a narrative just to make yourself feel better as a fan. There are different angles you can take vs Ajayi without having to make things up.

Here's what I have for '17 run/pass ratios.

"danmarino wrote:

****!..lol...So the Pats passed 57% (448 runs vs 587 passes_ of the time in 2017. The Dolphins passed 62.5%, 602 passes vs 360 runs.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Here's what I have for '17 run/pass ratios.

I should probably point something out before you guys go calculating run/pass ratios from either pfr or ESPN, comparing them and coming up with different numbers.

In both pfr and ESPN, you'll notice that total passing attempts for Miami is 602 as danmarino said and not 635 as in Carmen's post above:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/seasontype/2

Yet both agree with the 360 total rushing attempts. So what's going on here?

NFL defines a sack as only occurring on passing attempts, yet no one seems to include that in the "passing attempts" category. However, when stats are combined, like when run-pass ratio is computed, they DO combine listed passing attempts + sacks. Miami had 33 sacks, so you get that 635 from 602+33.

And as far as NE is concerned, that 767 attempts you see in Carmen's graph includes postseason, which btw is very BAD practice from a statistical standpoint because they're equating different sample sizes (16 regular season games for those that didn't make the postseason vs. more for playoff teams).

So personally I'd prefer to list run-pass ratios including sacks as passing attempts but ONLY from the regular season. Much cleaner data for analysis purposes.

"cbrad wrote:

I should probably point something out before you guys go calculating run/pass ratios from either pfr or ESPN, comparing them and coming up with different numbers.

In both pfr and ESPN, you'll notice that total passing attempts for Miami is 602 as danmarino said and not 635 as in Carmen's post above:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/seasontype/2

Yet both agree with the 360 total rushing attempts. So what's going on here?

NFL defines a sack as only occurring on passing attempts, yet no one seems to include that in the "passing attempts" category. However, when stats are combined, like when run-pass ratio is computed, they DO combine listed passing attempts + sacks. Miami had 33 sacks, so you get that 635 from 602+33.

And as far as NE is concerned, that 767 attempts you see in Carmen's graph includes postseason, which btw is very BAD practice from a statistical standpoint because they're equating different sample sizes (16 regular season games for those that didn't make the postseason vs. more for playoff teams).

So personally I'd prefer to list run-pass ratios including sacks as passing attempts but ONLY from the regular season. Much cleaner data for analysis purposes.

That was my mistake. I had the filter for all weeks. Here's the regular season.

There was really no reason for him say or do anything to spite the dolphins. Gase may have traded him but they didn't send him off to the Giants or the browns or the bucs. I guarantee those teams would have met the asking price. Instead he got traded to a super bowl favorite, and they ended up winning it all. Some part of him should be eternally grateful. But even now he only sees it as an insult.

He sees things the way he wants to see them it seems. That's why he's not here. It's why he almost blew his shot at Boise. It's why Doug Peterson will get sick of him too.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

That's absolutely false. Don't fabricate a narrative just to make yourself feel better as a fan. There are different angles you can take vs Ajayi without having to make things up.

I didn't make it up...twice he started up the middle and then bounced it outside. Then we didn't see him for awhile.

"KeyFin wrote:

I didn't make it up...twice he started up the middle and then bounced it outside. Then we didn't see him for awhile.

Kindly point out the minute marks if you would.

"KeyFin wrote:

I didn't make it up...twice he started up the middle and then bounced it outside. Then we didn't see him for awhile.

3rd qtr, 9:23, 2 & 10. Are you trying to tell me this is what you saw that was "selfish"? An IZ where the Bang option inside collapsed and he choose the Bounce option for a 9 yard gain?

Be8jyC4lbUp

can we all agree that Ajayis skillet after seeing him a couple years in the NFL is not a skillset that you want to be the centerpiece of your running back unit?

and that he is a part time running back moving forward?

"djphinfan wrote:

can we all agree that Ajayis skillet after seeing him a couple years in the NFL is not a skillset that you want to be the centerpiece of your running back unit?

and that he is a part time running back moving forward?

Certainly, he's not an all-around back, and he needs a complimentary sidekick. But that stands for the large majority of RBs these days as you can count on one hand the amount of full-time ball carriers. Pretty much all teams utilize the RB by committee approach.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Certainly, he's not an all-around back, and he needs a complimentary sidekick. But that stands for the large majority of RBs these days as you can count on one hand the amount of full-time ball carriers. Pretty much all teams utilize the RB by committee approach.

I'm happy we moved on and got a 4th, you?

"djphinfan wrote:

I'm happy we moved on and got a 4th, you?

I thought it was a poor decision. Our RB stable basically consists of a single, unproven stall.