I hope this delayed studying isn't for science b/c your variables seem to be all over the place. :shifty:

 

Definitely not a statistics guy either. Probably a Sex & Alcohol major like myself :shifty:.

 

Now that you mention it....... I WAS having a difficult time sleeping, so thank you for that. :shifty:

Law I'm guessing.....? You seem astute and skewing information. :tongue2:

 

Sex & alcohol? the ladies need booze to make a sexy time huh?....... I think I'm going with: you like the biggins but your pride doesn't? Am I right? I'm right aren't I!! :shifty:

 

When you cherry pick stats you'll never come to a true conclusion. With how you "compared" these QB's I could use your method and make Manning look like the worst QB to ever play an Henne the greatest.

 

He's turrrrrible...there, I saved you hours of future research. Don't drink the Koolaid cause he won this past week, once again his team won in spite of him.

 

hes not playing well... but when he does is when we spread things out and give him multiple options to find the mismatch...

you'd think our OC would then decide to play to his strengths... but of course not, instead we'll play to his weakness of play action, and throwing into double teams by running 2 man routes...

my only problem with deciding on the future of Henne is how horrible Henning is... maybe both need to go, or maybe Henne can succeed with someone who will not try to force his style/gameplans when it doesn't fit... Hennings only success with this team was wildcat based, once the wildcat stopped being effective so did he... just look at Pennington's numbers when the wildcat wasn't working, they're horrible...

i cant trust the judgement of Henne right now, though it doesn't look good... bring in a young guy if you can get one worth drafting, and bring in a new OC and let them compete, we'll find out if Henne has anything or not...

 

Those breasts are amazing...Also, [insert Henne opinion here].

 

What a stupid comment. How did the team win in spite of him? He didn't complete a lot of passes, but he didn't throw any picks, threw for a TD, and knew when to tuck it and run. All in windy, rainy conditions.

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:deadhorse:

 

I agree that a change in coordinator will be the biggest factor in making Henne better. However, a close second is experience.

Now, I am in no way saying that Henne will ever be close to Manning, (I had to throw that in there for the idiots that will jump on this and try to claim that I am comparing the two) but let's look at each's first 25 games.

Manning- 41TD's, 38 INT's, 4.3 TD%, 3.8 INT%, 57% comp rate, 79 QBR

Henne- 25TD's, 28INT's, 3.0 TD%, 3.4 INT%, 61% comp rate, 76 QBR

So, if you look at all of these stats you would see that Manning, in his 1st 25 games, threw 1 more TD per 100 passes and about the same number of picks (slightly higher). Henne had the better comp% though.

 

The Dolphins could've won that game with any QB not named Mark Sanchez.

 

So what you're saying is Sanchez couldn't beat himself? :whistling:


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Nice deflection. Now please, answer the question.

 

I was trying to save you from yourself, brah...just don't say I never gave you a chance. Here goes...

The defense set up both short-field scores early in the first. Did the Miami offense even move the ball past the 50 the rest of the game? Maybe so, but it was rare. In fact, Miami's offense did not record ONE FIRST DOWN THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF, AND ONLY ONE SINCE THE FIRST QUARTER. The Dolphin defense was on the field virtually the entire game for 3 quarters, and held strong every time. This, despite an offense that couldn't give them any rest. The Miami defense forced 2 turnovers and 6 sacks.

No ****, he was 5-18 for 55 yards with a QB rating of 58.5. Strong work :up:

but you conveniently left out that he fumbled twice, producing 66.6% of Miami's turnovers. :lol:

Congrats!, Henne can now throw a 5-yard slant! Are you seriously promoting this accomplishment?

4 carries for 7 yards...quite impressive. He was also sacked 5 times (maybe he should have ran a little more, eh?)

Didn't a QB on the very same day throw for 360+ yards and 2tds in a snowstorm with 25mph gusting winds? hmmm...maybe i'm just imagining that...

 

Oh man. Being a Bills fan has really messed you up.

You stated that the Dolphins won in spite of HENNE. Do you understand what "in spite of" means? Do you understand what you write or do you just make stuff up as you go along? All you've shown (and it was obvious to everyone) is that he didn't do much to break the game open. However, he didn't make any stupid throws or do anything else that caused the the rest of the team to dig themselves out of a hole. You tried to use the two fumbles, one where he was blind sided because our RT whiffed on his block and the other where only the coaches, Henne, and (I believe it was ) Ricky know who's fault it was. Was it a PA pass attempt and Ricky hit the ball? Was it a bad hand-off because Henne was short on his reach or was it because Ricky was long on his path?

And now you bring up Brady? Did you watch the Pats game? I'm sure you watched something other than the Bills play. HAHAHAHAH! Did you happen to see the pats running game? What about their defense scoring TD's? What about their WR's getting 20 yards of seperation from the DB's? I'm not sure what the pats have to do with this topic. (Other than you trying to change the subject because you can't defend an indefensible position)

Now if you wanted to say that Brady or E. Manning or Flacco...etc etc etc, played better than Henne I wouldn't have said a word.

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I can cherry pick stats, as the OP did, and do what I said. I didn't "carefully" select any stats. I used ALL meaningful stats from their first two years. I didn't "make" their first two years look similar, thery were similar.

 

Are you Chad's agent? Be honest now...

 

There you go NOT comprehending simple words, again. HAHHHAHAAHAHAH!

 

You're very worked up right now. Calm down, scrah...arguments are just like anything else in life, you win some, you lose some.

Better luck next time :up:

 

Ahhh, the old I won the argument with out actually making an argument troll...

 

Bills fans need to pretend about a lot of things, huh?

 

I was just reading a thread about our D and how great it's playing Soliai has become a beast a guy that couldnt win the starting job Starks starts the season at nose.
Don't you find it funny that a new coach comes in and everything changes for Soliai, he went from playing like crap to dominating.
The coaching staff prior to Nolan couldn't see it, I wonder what a good OC might do for Henne never mind a good QB coach.

 

Great point! People who think the Patriots would be as dominate as they have been over the past 10 years without Belichick are fooling themselves. BB has proven that he can pretty much win with anyone. New QB? 11 wins. Revamped defense? No problem. No Moss, the staple of the passing game for years? Bring it on!

 

Says someone who clearly didn't read any of the previous pages. I systematically ripped apart his Henne defense. I hate to break it to you, but if you defend Henne for THAT performance then you just don't have any credibility.

This is why you can't be taken seriously. You continually discredit arguably the best QB of our generation

 

You just answered your own question in the very next sentence. And "proving" that the Dolphins didn't win in spite of him...lmao, you've backpedaled.

Please post Chad Henne's full game #'s here. Seriously, I think it's important that you post them yourself and realize just how heinous they are.

 

I've officially seen it all now, tbh...a Dolphin fan making excuses for a Ryan Leaf-esque performance. This thread should be an instant classic.

 

...and the stats prove I'm right. Chad Henne played worse than vintage Ryan Leaf and the Dolphins still won. The offense had 6 first downs all game, NONE in the 2nd half, yet the defense held on with no thanks to the offense. Chad Henne had 2 turnovers as well. What is so hard for you to understand?

 

Dude, did you even watch the game? Henne didn't play great, but he played 1000 times better than Sanchez. If Sean Smith knew how to catch, he'd have set an NFL record for INTs in one game with like 12 of them. Henne only threw one pass that even came close to being an INT, to Jason Taylor. He didn't lose the game for us, and as it turned out, that's all we needed from him b/c the defense was playing out of their minds and our punter should have his cleats sent to Canton. But I digress.

Our ENTIRE OFFENSE was over matched yesterday, the OL, the RB, the WRs, all of them, the whole unit was dominated, it wasn't poor play by the QB. There were no big holes to run through, or wide open receivers in the secondary. Henne looked bad against zone looks as usual, Henne looked bad when plays broke down as usual, Henne played about the same as he has all year, just with different circumstances around him leading to different results. Comparing him to Ryan Leaf is absurd, I hope you're trolling and not trying to make a serious arguement.

 

see the problem I have is comparing Henne to Sanchez. Why. Sanchez is not on this team. If Tom Brady played slightly better than Ray Lucas would anyone Defend Tom saying he played better than Lucas? Henne sucked. He's been sucking. he's played alright in stretches and bad in stretches. You can't have that. I'd rather have purty good consistently, then purty damn good inconsistently.

 

How can you look at his #'s and not come to that conclusion? He led the offense to 6 first downs (one from a penalty), and no movement for 3 quarters. Is it too much to ask for your QB to make a play in 3 quarters? Are your standards THAT low, that such a performance is acceptable?

Giving Henne ANY credit for this victory is a slap in the face to a defense that picked up his mess all day.

 

He didn't lose the game for us. but he sure gave the Jets every opportunity to do so. As you say Sanchez played worse. If Sanchez played decently or even just half as bad, we lose the game. We won by 4 points. That's two field goals and Henne's lack of penchant for first downs gave them plenty of chances. Again. Henne played like "shiznit." None of his passes were close to INTs because many of his passes were close to anyone.

 

What is Henne's lack of penchant for first downs? Go back to the tape and point out every easy first down that he flat out missed. Every pass completion that he flat out missed. Then we'll have a starting point. Then go look at everyone that receivers weren't open, every first down that a RB didn't get.

 

Chad Henne led Miami to victory with his inspired play. That's that. Stats don't mean anything. Henne is the QB of the future, rest easy Miami. If you don't agree with that then you obviously didn't watch the game.

 

I cant believe this is even an arguement . When a QB completes 5, count them, 5 passes for an entire game and the team still wins. THEY WON IN SPITE OF THE QB. All this Henne love for the sake of being a homer is getting rediculous.