Any dolphin Players thinking this time is vacation time...Tom Brady talks.

Also, if I remember correctly Tom Brady had 4 weeks less vacation time then all dolphin players, member that dolphin players, member when you choked the last two weeks, y'all were on vacation then.

At the same time this mindset is contributing to the injuries like the ones suffered by Mike Pouncey. Unfortunate, but it it's the state of the NFL right now.

"ckparrothead wrote:

At the same time this mindset is contributing to the injuries like the ones suffered by Mike Pouncey. Unfortunate, but it it's the state of the NFL right now.

What trainng your body and living in your playbook?

I'm not disagreeing with the broader point, but Brady can go **** himself. I could care less about anything that comes out of that smug bastard's mouth.

Maybe Tom Brady should be drilling his team on the Heimlich Maneuver. It'll come in real handy in the playoffs.

"djphinfan wrote:

What trainng your body and living in your playbook?

Training your body? Or wearing down your body and risking injury? You can't claim that OTAs and other training sessions are harmless when we get guys that are going to miss most or maybe even all of the season because of injuries taken during them.

That kind of offseason preparation will get the Pats ready to fall short again this year. While I'm getting tired of them, I can't say I don't enjoy watching them lose in high stakes games.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I don't think vigoursly lifting and participating in cardio intervals will wear you down. I think it should be expected of these guys. There's no reason they can't workout for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week right now. Wake up, get a great breakfast, get your lift in, eat a light lunch, and hammer out your cardio. Hell, most guys probably have pools where they can do their cardio.

It can wear you down.

You don't want to get out of shape, but if you are in good shape, you can give your mind and body rest. Sometimes, to be prepared mentally and physically for camp, you have to take a break.

Frankly I think the days of coming into camp to get in shape are past for 90% of the players. Obviously, the work one does February to June is vitally important in terms of getting stronger, in better condition, and getting the playbook down.

July, in my mind, should be a time to get some rest for your body (without gaining weight) and get a way; while still doing enough to maintain the condition you are in at the start of July. Everyone is different, but I'd get some rest, get away, then the last couple of weeks ramp up (Mentally and physically). And, then cool down a bit the last few days to just give yourself some rest. All that depends, of course, on having worked your way into peak physical condition the prior 6 months.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with the broader point, but Brady can go **** himself. I could care less about anything that comes out of that smug bastard's mouth.

That would be called a severe case of jealousy..

He's going to hall of fame partly because this is his mindset..put the hate down and you can learn from the best.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Training your body? Or wearing down your body and risking injury? You can't claim that OTAs and other training sessions are harmless when we get guys that are going to miss most or maybe even all of the season because of injuries taken during them.

Your proposing no OTA's or no strength and cardiovascular Training once the football season ends?

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I'm not in the least saying that I am working out at a level on par with these guys...

But I lift 6 days a week and cardio 5 a week for the past year or so. I'm 26 years old and I feel fine. There's general soreness here and there but that stretches itself out within the first 10 minutes of the workout.

Hope you take frequent breaks often, because weightlifting 6x and 5x cardio a week is hell on your joints...

Offseason training workouts being something that "will wear you down" and "contribute to injuries" is an interesting mindset I've never seen from anyone in athletics quite frankly. This is what actually prepares your body for a season full of wear and tear. Very strange viewpoints.

"Coral Reefer wrote:

Offseason training workouts being something that "will wear you down" and "contribute to injuries" is an interesting mindset I've never seen from anyone in athletics quite frankly. This is what actually prepares your body for a season full of wear and tear. Very strange viewpoints.

I know right,I think there is some misconception that strength training is just limited to doing four sets of the same exercise, three different exercises per body part...back and bi's today boys..

I don't think I even want to get into a debate with folks who think that correct cardio and strength training during the time off from actual football, after a proper amount of rest and recovery time, could be detrimental..lol.

The training is a science, atrophy is the worst enemy..must maintain..must enter training camp
Peaking, not regular season peaking..you don't want to be trying to make gains during camp, you want to have your body right and peaking right when camp begins, because, when camps begins, it's about football and light training, not pushing in the weight room during training camp..maintaining and playing ball..fast..your gains have already been established if you did it right.

On top of that, there is no More contact during offseason, which means they have nothing to recover from, these are fresh ass bodies, they don't need another three weeks of doing nothing, if they do that these next three weeks they WILL NOT be at their best when camp begins, which brings me back to my original point, if your players are at their peak come training camp, your practice reps will be most efficient and effective, thus creating the best possible muscle memory that your looking for come regular season.

A good strength and conditioning coach knows this and should be applying it..

"Clark Kent wrote:

Hope you take frequent breaks often, because weightlifting 6x and 5x cardio a week is hell on your joints...

As long as you split the muscle groups to different days and have a 3/1 load/deload week, he should be fine. Doing full body 6 days a week is not healthy.

"djphinfan wrote:

On top of that, there is no More contact during offseason, which means they have nothing to recover from, these are fresh ass bodies, they don't need another three weeks of doing nothing, if they do that these next three weeks they WILL NOT be at their best when camp begins, which brings me back to my original point, if your players are at their peak come training camp, your practice reps will be most efficient and effective, thus creating the best possible muscle memory that your looking for come regular season.

A good strength and conditioning coach knows this and should be applying it..

I think the CBA limitations on what they can do and when are ridiculous. Heck, the Bye week schedule is so limited that other than rest there is basically no advantage to in terms of extra practice time. More time for study and more time for the coaches to plan but limited other than that.

Like Bill Parcells used to say, "That's why you lift all them weights in February and March" ...

But, I think the off-season training, while a key, needs to be done with the appropriate build up all elements - weights, rest, cardio, flexibility, etc.

When you look at top athletes in all sports, they give their bodies proper rest before entering the grind. Plus, the fact that basically starting in August you are in for six months of nothing but football 6+ days a week, you don't want to grind it out in July. You don't run marathons in the days leading up to running a marathon.

It really comes down to wisdom - vs a) laziness (that will not do); or b) overworking.

But, another variable are the skill positions (esp. QB and WR). Like golfers and tennis players, you want to not just be in shape, but the last couple of weeks you really want to be working on your fundamentals of throwing motion, building arm strength (without wearing it down) and catching footballs.

"77FinFan wrote:

I think the CBA limitations on what they can do and when are ridiculous. Heck, the Bye week schedule is so limited that other than rest there is basically no advantage to in terms of extra practice time. More time for study and more time for the coaches to plan but limited other than that.

We let the pro athletes run around in shirts and underwear 4 different times, for three days each time, over the course of 6 months, with 0 heavy contact, before I say anything else what exactly are you guys debating specifically?, because if you think the athlete going on a sophisticated nutritional, cardio, stretching and strength program for 5 to 6 months with the goal of the body to be peaking in late July you don't really know what your talking about imo..so maybe some should just be more clear as to what their proposing.

"Da 'Fins wrote:

Like Bill Parcells used to say, "That's why you lift all them weights in February and March" ...

But, I think the off-season training, while a key, needs to be done with the appropriate build up all elements - weights, rest, cardio, flexibility, etc.

When you look at top athletes in all sports, they give their bodies proper rest before entering the grind. Plus, the fact that basically starting in August you are in for six months of nothing but football 6+ days a week, you don't want to grind it out in July. You don't run marathons in the days leading up to running a marathon.

It really comes down to wisdom - vs a) laziness (that will not do); or b) overworking.

But, another variable are the skill positions (esp. QB and WR). Like golfers and tennis players, you want to not just be in shape, but the last couple of weeks you really want to be working on your fundamentals of throwing motion, building arm strength (without wearing it down) and catching footballs.

Preparation 101...if there are any injuries whatsoever, by all means rehab those injuries to strengthen the muscles around the injury, for the rest, do not take the next three weeks off, stay in your routine, heighten the importance of flexibility, nutrition, quicks, mental focus, position specific strength training,and the understanding of your playbook.

Take three weeks off and think that you are at your best when camp begins, you are setting yourself up for injury.

Film room and technique work are one thing but guy like Eddie George overtrained themselves to and early end to their careers...it takes balance and discipline not fanatical 24/7 conditioning..imo.

"Zeke0123 wrote:

Film room and technique work are one thing but guy like Eddie George overtrained themselves to and early end to their careers...it takes balance and discipline not fanatical 24/7 conditioning..imo.

I'm not an expert on training or conditioning, but George had a pretty normal length career for a RB. He also had a pounding style, a big workload, and a lot of miles on him from college as well. (I watched a lot of his games at OSU, and he was a HUGE focus of their offense).

"djphinfan wrote:

Preparation 101...if there are any injuries whatsoever, by all means rehab those injuries to strengthen the muscles around the injury, for the rest, do not take the next three weeks off, stay in your routine, heighten the importance of flexibility, nutrition, quicks, mental focus, position specific strength training,and the understanding of your playbook.

Take three weeks off and think that you are at your best when camp begins, you are setting yourself up for injury.

I think you a certain extent you are right, but also have to realize there is a difference between having a great looking body and an actual functional body. A lot of what you talk about is more for body builders not athletes.

"Alex44 wrote:

I think you a certain extent you are right, but also have to realize there is a difference between having a great looking body and an actual functional body. A lot of what you talk about is more for body builders not athletes.

BS.

Read the posts again, maybe slower.

, heighten the importance of flexibility, nutrition, quicks, mental focus, position specific strength training,and the understanding of your playbook.

What part of "flexibility", "nutrition", "quicks"," position specific strength training", and understanding your playbook" Has to do with esthetics..nada.

Moving on, if these guys lay off and rest their body's and minds for The next three weeks they will not be peaking 1st day of camp..listen to Tom Brady, he's talking to you.