If he is still on the board and represents the best value I think we take him. You can never have to many explosive players on offense. 21 TDs of 50 yards or more would real good in a fins uniform

 

this instead of defense???? never happens...they take Dez before Spiller...provided they both are on the board...

 

Yea if Bryant is still on the board of course but I was saying that if he is the best value left.. Morgan gone, Bryant Gone etc then you take him

 

wait if bryant and morgan are gone?? who else?? I understand the value aspect of it, and truely understand Spiller is a playmaker...however at 12 it isn't like there isn't going to be value around in position of need for them to choose from.....

 

Sure but anytime there is a guy available that has that kind of game changing big play ability you have to strongly consider taking him IMHO. And its not like out RB position is all that set. Ronnie is in his last year, Ricky is in his and may retire, Cobbs is great but no star. RB may not be a position of need this second but come next offseason it very well could be

 

I don't mind Spiller at 12 depending on who else is there.
But this article is insinuating we are looking at trading up to get him. That I want no part of.

 

I would take both Earl Thomas and B Graham before I took Morgan or Bryant.

 

Taking Spiller would be a huge mistake on our part. The guy does not fit a need and he isn't going to be playing with guys that are slower then him anymore. He is just another Bush IMO... great college player soso pro.

 

I'm not sure he doesn't fit a need.
Ricky is almost done. And the FO had no problem trading away Ronnie, and that was before him getting caught driving drunk.
I don't think we're as set at RB as most think.

 

IMO Spiller at 12 just simply isnt happening, it goes on the same level as Marshall, just not going to happen.......the reason is simple, this FO doesnt believe in getting playmakers at that position, there philosophy is getting the hogs up front to make holes, our O-Line is arguably the deepest non needy position on the team, and that was before Incognito...Miami has holes on the team bigger than the black hole, and what do they do...go out and get a OL via free agency...RB's are a dime a dozen, you open up holes anybody can run through them...

Spiller at 12 would be a luxury pick, if everything else is in place...IMO...then again IMO last year Pat White was a luxury pick, and the did it so who knows?

 

I agree with you that it won't happen. But not because it isn't a need.

 

It's not a bad policy to try and get special talents with your top picks, provided they are also good football players. IMO Bryant, Spiller and E. Thomas are players at the top of the draft that fit that. I also like Graham, but he's not as special talent wise although he might end up being as good of a player. I don't see Morgan as special. I like him as a prospect. I think he's a good fit positionally and he seems to have the make-up. But I can't say that he's definitely going to be a better player than Graham or Hughes will be.

 

I have been reading up on Graham, and I think I am falling out of love with the guy....

 

I could be happy with this if -

1. Dez was gone.

2. The FO believes Spiller can make the same type of big plays in the passing game that Chris Johnson is making for the Titans.

 

I'm making a big jump here but I wouldn't be shocked if the idea here is to convince other teams that we have an interest in taking Spiller, so that if he is on the board at 12
they will have to trade with us to take
him. If in fact it convinces another team to trade ahead of us to take him then that isn't a terrible result either as it may drop another player to 12 that we like.
I know it's a leap but Spiller is the type of player that people trade up for, especially already good teams picking in the 20s who feel they are one more spark on offense away from a superbowl

 

graham will be a better fit than Morgan who has said himself that he sees himself as more of a 4-3 de. he said he would be willing to try but obviously hasnt spent much time at LB . graham is versatile as hell and could be a WS or SS linebacker. i hope we take him despite the knocks on height and everyone view of his value. graham is the guy i hope

 

Bill "Philly Billy" Werdel was on the local radio this morning. He is currently working with ESPN. He has a lot of NFL connections. He used to host a radio show out here. He said this morning that the Dolphins, and Giants are trying to trade up into the top 10 to make a run a Spiller. Take it for what is worth.:wink2:

 

I think you can do that with any of the OLB prospects. I don't see anyone that is head and shoulders better than the OLB that will be available at #43. We all have our preferences of course, but they all similar amounts of strengths and weaknesses.

 

I think that would be a huge mistake. What would we be giving up, our second rounder? And, to move up what...5-6 spots, and to draft a RB? I hope this is just a bunch of pre-draft posturing to throw everyone off, 'cause I think trading away picks is a bad idea.

 

Trading UP to get a RB? haha yeah right

 

spiller isnt such a far fetched option given our teams desire to run first. especially if he is able to line up wide and smoke a coner back once in a while. its like 1 1/2 players in one. he is a mismatch that can be moved around.

i dont like the idea of taking a running back so high. especially since i wouldnt expect him to see the field much with ricky and ronnie on the roster this season. i want a garaunteed starter and producer this season.

i was impressed as hell with spiller, watching him and ford, run and catch all over UM last year. so i wouldnt be disapointed if we did get him.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! We need DEFENSE!

 

It is all one big smokescreen, intended to drum up interest if he is there at 12.....Spiller isnt happening in the 1st....they arent paying that type of money to a 3rd string RB, possibly a fourth stringer....

 

I think jackson is right here.
This FO takes the best available and if Mcclain(my opinion)is not there and Spiller is, they take im'.

 

i will continue to believe that we will posture ourselves to trade down unless Berry or Bryant are sitting there ... and even Bryant I'm not totally sold on.

we need to use disinformation in order to accomplish that .... why, well simply because we could very much use 2 more picks between rd 3-5 in order to accomplish our goals. if we can improve our # of picks from 4 > 6 we can potentially pick up:

Carrington - DE * rd 3
Joseph - NT * rd 4
Lane / Lang / Moats - OLB * bonus pick 1
Cook / Ansah - CB * bonus pick 2

in addition to OLB (Morgan / Kindle / Hughes / Graham) / S (Allen / Burnett) in rds 1 & 2 ... still not sure who the pick at OLB will be ... if you go by 'size' then only Morgan and Kindle match this regimes 'normal' parameters of ~ 6'4". my $$$ is on Kindle ...

 

If Dez Bryant is off the board and Spiller is available, then likewise he'll be the BPA.

I'm all for drafting Spiller and trading Ronnie Brown for a second round pick. Definitely.

Use the 2, 2, & 3 on WR, OLB, FS.

 

Glad I read down through because this is my thought as well. I think most anything herd or said will be speculation leaked to generate interest in a team moving up to our pick.Also let me say I'm one of the few that wouldn't say WTF if we picked him.

 

I dont think so. I dont like Spiller nearly as mush as others. I see him as probally the 3rd or 4th best RB behind, in no particular order, Hardesty,Best,Matthews, and possivly guys like Tate. Spiller has elite speed, and it is football speed which most true speed guys dont. But in the NFL it is more about being quick and having good feet. And if you look at C.Johnson he is super fast but his feet are amazing, the best in the league. I believe when it is all said and done Hardesty and Best are going to be the best RBs out of this class.

 

I didn't read the whole thread, but people wouldn't trade up with us to take Spiller if they thought we had a high interest, they would trade up above us to ensure that they could take him. If we were willing to trade back then they would know that it was pretty clearly a smokescreen.

 

Thing is, Ronnie can be split out wide also. And can you count how many times he has been used that way? Why draft a runner who can do that, when we have one on the roster who can do that, but we don't use him for that? It would be a waste, we would have two RB's that wouldn't be split out wide.

Spiller will have a better career going to a place with zone blocking. That way he can make his one cut and use the speed. He is not a power back, we have our line built for power running. I would rather go defense and get a running back later on in the draft, or next year.

 

Let me change your scenario, if we go that route, and assuming a new CBA is in place for next season:

Draft Spiller. Let him play and prove he can perform at the NFL level. Franchise and trade Ronnie the following season.

 

if they took best available it wouldnt have been Pat White last year in the 2nd....McClain will be there, and he isnt the pick either IMO...

 

you are promoted my friend....good post....

 

who is giving up a 1st or 2nd rounder to a mid-20 yro RB who can't prove he can stay on the field?? not even Oakland needs one...

 

It would have to be a team that loves Brown like the Pats. BB has gushed about Brown many times. I could see them tendering an offer sheet.

 

Who creates a hole on their team by taking an unproven player and removing a proven one from the same position in the same season? All for a second rounder that in all likelyhood wont work out?

Thats why I said you'd have to allow SPiller to prove himself first.

I never said we should do that btw. I just said if we did.

 

In the few videos I've seen, Spiller does not look very fluid and would not compare him to C Johnson for that reason. He's obviously fast but like Ginn Jr, he just seems to lack that certain shiftiness that makes good players great. Just my uninformed opinion...

 

Watch some more tape. Spiller is shifty, he has no where near the stiffness someone like Ginn has. Spiller's side to side speed, based on the shuttle drills (or w/e they're called) and his on field play. His "shimmy" or hip fake is pretty lethal in the open field.