Extending those guys would give us even more cap space, at least in the short term.

Unfortunately Bungles still about $24 million under, which means no pressure to do something with Palmer :sad:

 

extending those guys would actually create more cap room...lower it somemore...

Soliai is the highest priority, Wilfork tagged this offseason, signed a longterm deal, Ngata tagged this offseason, signed a longterm deal....

QB, and NT are 2 positions you lock up and dont let go....

 

extending soliai would mean more money i agree, but how can extending wake, langford give us more cap space, they basically play on rookie deals ?

 

Right I am not so sure it does.....I overlooked that...

 

Cut Benny Sapp
Resign Langford to a long term deal
Let Soliai's franchise tag play out this year
idk about Wake

tbh, I think Langford is the only safe bet to restructure to a long term deal. He's been the most consistent and has been solid for more than a couple years. Soliai had 1 great year (last year) and Wake has had 1 great year of starting (09, he was good when he was on the field though). But, I'm kinda scared if we give Soliai and Wake long term deals, they may plateau or even drop off production wise and we will be overspending. I'm almost for letting both of them play this year without a contract, so we know what we have in them before they get paid.

Although, I love both of them.

 

I'd rather cut Allen than Sapp, personally.

 

And I think that might very well happen.....you have to sign Soli, put some workout incentives, weight incentives....letting Langford, and Starks roll around is so nice....soli is the key to the depth, and versatility of that defence..

 

I'm fine with extending Soliai. But I'm not sure I would do the same for Wake. At least not right now.

But to be honest, I'm not sure we can decide whether someone should be extended or not. We don't really know how much these guys are asking for.

 

I'm going to say no.

Even if their level of play plateau's or dips a little, you still need to field a team and your alternatives are overpay a FA, hope you strike it gold with 7 of your 7 draft picks, or just field a team of UDFA's. You have to sign your own players with the understanding that their play is potentially going to drop off a little. Even with that, you won't find a Cam Wake (elite pass rusher) or Soliai (Big body NT) as easily as you may think. As someone said earlier, if you get a QB, pass rusher, or NT (for a 3-4 team), you make sure to hang on to them.

I would say pass rushers tend to fall off quicker than the other 2 positions but I think this FO has seen enough in Wake to know this guy will be an elite rusher for the next few years at minimum. Hell, even national media outlets see that and that's saying something (yes I'm talking to you ESPN).

 

There's a conflicting $4.9 million number. Weird discrepancy.

Extending Soliai could open up even more money.

FWIW that dude on Finheaven that's been claiming to know Jeff Ireland is STILL banging the Carson Palmer drum.

 

Don't tease me CK. What did he say?

The main reason I'm giving the guy credibility is the Devlin thing. Also Rick Reilly wrote an article today about how the Bengals should let Palmer go. Odd that he would write it now since nobody has talked about that situation in weeks. I imagine Carson's representation leaked him some quotes to get the situation into the public eye again and put some pressure on Bengals

 

$23 million guaranteed for Langford is alot. He's just a 3-4 end which we already have a plethora of. Not ure he's worth that much coin

 

Alot of talking on what the real number is. There was a twitter report the other day (from a main beat writer) stating many fans believe were 8 mil under the cap but we are just about maxed out! So who knows.

 

The guy has not necessarily had the best accuracy so far. Remember, what he originally said was that the Dolphins would trade down and get Devlin because he's the next Tom Brady. Well, Devlin went undrafted.

He says Randy Starks and a high 2012 pick for Carson Palmer. I hope to God he doesn't mean the 2012 1st rounder.

 

deuces

 

i hope its not randy starks

 

Randy Starks and a second seems fair to me. If you watched the bungles, they are absolutely putrid along the defensive line. I'd throw Henne into the trade if they want too.

then we'd still have our first rounder to either address the line, safety whatever, or if eveything just bombs, could still do something with a QB

Is the guy saying this offer is on the table, being considered, what?

 

Im still 100% behind Henne. But if we did trade for Palmer (which IMO is a mistake, older qb that is willing to quit on his team) i say we have to let Henne go, so a trade involving him makes sense.

 

Agree but Barry stayed retired right? so if Palmer comes here and plays he's just disgruntled and quit on the team IMO. He had/has a contract.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6866409/rick-reilly-bengals

Hmm, if he's tired of wallowing in mediocrity maybe we aren't the place for him....

 

Barry only stayed retired because the Lions refused to trade him. He made it pretty clear he'd consider unretiring if he were traded to another team.

Sometimes there's only so much a guy can take. He's raising kids and he's had people breaking onto his property to deface it because he threw an interception too many or some such. He wants out.

Hell if I would know why he'd want to come here though.

 

CK are you kidding? If we fix that OL it would be ideal for him to play here. The passing options are pretty impressive.

 

Tamba Hali just got $35M guaranteed. So thats most likely going to be the starting point for Wake. Not to mention that Hali isn't even the highest paid OLB in the league.

This would make him the highest paid NT in the history of the NFL. If you're going to do that, I would prefer if they waited out this year then signed him. Even if they do sign him now, his cap hit won't be much less than what it is now.

I really like Langford. But we just signed Tony McDaniel to a 2 year, $6M contract. Langford is certainly much better than McDaniel. But is he 3X better? Is spending that much on a DE a good idea if Jared Odrick ends up being a really good player?

You definitely could fit those three under the cap right now. But it wouldn't give you much flexibility going forward.

Potentially we could be paying the highest paid LT, NT, OLB, and DE. One of the top-5 highest paid WRs. One of the highest paid ILBs. And this is before we've even discussed re-signing Davis and Smith, who won't be cheap if they keep up their progression.

On top of all that we will almost certainly end up paying for a QB one way or another next year. So really, I think the FO needs to be careful before they start guaranteeing a lot of money to guys.

 

Wouldn't it be funny if the "negotiations" are really like this:

Jeff Ireland: "Ok, this is my final offer...Randy Starks and next year's 2nd round pick for Carson."

Mike Brown: "For the last ****ing time, Jeff. CARSON PALMER IS NOT FOR SALE! That ginger **** can rot in hell, and so can you."

Jeff Ireland: "You're breakin my balls, Mike. How about we toss in Tyrone Culver?"

Mike Brown: (click)

(Ireland dials phone)

enduro: "Moshi moshi?"

Jeff Ireland: "Yo! Whassaaaaaaaaaa!"

enduro: "Nada dude, you get that fruit basket I sent ya?"

Jeff Ireland: "Great dates. How's the wife?"

enduro: "Ex-wife. She's a *****."

Jeff Ireland: "Is she a prostitute?"

enduro: "Why do you always ask that? How's the QB search goin?"

Jeff Ireland: "Mike Brown's being a dick, but I've got him right where I want him. It'll be Randy Starks and a high pick next year."

enduro: "Sweet, I'll go tell Finheaven."

Jeff Ireland: "Are any of them prostitutes?"

enduro: (click)

 

Not so sure. Carson's always seemed to do best when he has a good ground game complementing him. We don't has it.

 

I don't think well have a clue about that until we get some cohesive play. You would think three powerful guys in incog, pouncey, and Carey should be able to push the pile.

 

alot of places arent perfect. But he signed a contract, asking for a trade is fine but to give ultimatums is a bit suspect imo

 

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104365/breakin-my-balls

 

Wake you dont have too right now...Soli isnt playing games after this year, he will put up monster numbers again..the dude is in primo shape.....either extend him of modestly high money now, or wait....he beasts it this year...and play high money..

 

I would like to see W Allen play before deciding. He is scheduled to do that this Friday. If healthy, he is much better than Sapp.

 

Does he know Mike Brown?

Because it doesn't matter if he knows Irish ( and I severely don't believe he does in the way he says ) because as Mike Lombardi said " do you know Mike Brown? because I do and if he says he's not trading Palmer , he isn't "

That is what I believe.

 

Just my opinion but an owner going out of his way to publically say he won't facilitate a trade with a QB who quit on his contract and not trading him via spite is not something i don't want our organization to be a part of. Some thing tells me if you want Palmer your going to have to pay through the nose to get him.

 

Brown is the owner , GM , and the board of directors , he is stubborn as can be and doesn't have to change anything he doesn't want to... and won't imo.

Palmer doesn't need any more money , he already has generational wealth , and wants to be on the west coast , so counting on some movement this year is ludicrous imo.

Brown stated what he would do , why would anyone not believe him?

 

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/16/updated-cap-space-for-all-32-teams/

NFL.com has us at $4.9M as of today.

 

We shall see about that. Give the ground game time, the pieces are there IMO. As long as Sparano come to his senses and pulls Colombo out from RT, I think the ground game will be pretty good.

Now Henne and the passing game....that is what it is, unfortunately.