On if Egnew should play more, Sherman said to ask Philbin and Ireland.

Question: What does Ireland have to do with it?

 

Philbin can say he's not ready, and Ireland can say he's a poor pick up

 

not losing any sleep over Tannehill's 4th quarter. some of those passes were right there, we just don't have the receivers to go up and get the ball. so, you can say that Tannehill didn't throw the perfect ball to drop right down in there hands, but when we (hopefully) get a stud WR, those catches will be made.

 

Completely agree. It's not really a knock on hartline or bess (Moore yes) either. I still want them here. Just not as 1 and 2

 

Interesting about Coyle's comment that Jared Odrick is in the right position. Makes me wonder if they'll try to incorporate more of a hybrid look next year depending on pieces added.

In Cincinnati, the Bengals have operated with Robert Geathers and Carlos Dunlap playing in Odrick's spot. Both are pretty big guys, 280-290lbs, but both are more athletic in terms of getting to the passer, especially Dunlap.

 

If Coyle thinks Odrick is playing the right position that gives me less confidence in Coyle.

But then again, Coyle pretty vehemently disagreed he did anything wrong on the subbing last week when Odrick participated in less than 60% of snaps and Cam Wake participated in less than 70%...then this week the two averaged 96% participation.

So I don't really trust Coyle to tell us the truth in these situations.

 

:dunno: Perhaps they have a rule about not putting inexperienced guys in until they reach a certain level of execution/number of reps. :dunno:

 

:lol:

Ireland prolly told Sherm: I don't want to see Egnew in a game until he can make me look good!

 

Sherm to ireland:

"So, you will be here for at least another year."

 

That's weird.

 

People are still over-reacting to Odrick playing a 4-3 DE for not a lot of reason. We could theoretically be getting more out of that position in terms of pass rush, but Odrick himself isn't being wasted, and it's hardly unusual for teams to present the kind of pass rush presence and personnel package the Dolphins do in the base defense.

I think people are paying too much attention to Pro Football Focus' grades, too. He's getting punished because his grades are being normalized vs. a 4-3 DE instead of a 3-4 DE, when you're asking some of the same general things from them.

For example:

Jared Odrick has 5 sacks, 8 hits, and 16 pressures in 476 pass rush snaps, and receives a -20.3 pass rushing grade.
Justin Smith has 4 sacks, 6 hits, and 21 pressures in 487 pass rush snaps, and receivers a +2.4 pass rush grade.

 

To me it means: Coach Philbin decides who is going to see the field. Ireland picked a player I have hated since day 1

 

I think there are some issues with it, though. It's a nice draft for edge rushers, but I think the Dolphins are looking a bit narrower than that.

It'll take a physical freak to be like Odrick but a better pass rusher which might be hard to find. They very much appear to want former 3-4 OLBs at the Misi/Lawson position, but I'm not sure they want to rush them that much. I'm personally of the opinion that you can spend a high pick on a Nickel edge rusher, but I'm not sure Ireland or a lot of other GMs are to be honest.

 

I dunno, I think Burnett is playing pretty well.

I agree though, I don't think we're likely to replace Odrick in the base package.

They certainly seem to like 3-3 Nickel packages with stand-up edge rushers, so I think it's quite possible they look for basically a Nickel pass rushing OLB rather than a DE.

 

Generally speaking the biggest problem with PFF ratings is that people openly use them when they fit their argument and then openly criticize them when they don't.

The theory that PFF is somehow fundamentally unable to grade Jared Odrick because of the role he plays really falls apart when you consider he's only got a +0.3 Run Defense rating which puts him about #35 of 62, whereas other run stuffing defensive ends such as Jordan Cameron, Derek Wolfe and Matt Shaughnessy are able in their systems to garner significant positive run defense ratings even despite drastically negative pass rush ratings.

Personally I don't always agree with their ratings but that depends on whether I've seen the player and can say with certainty I don't know how he graded that way. I've seen enough of Jared Odrick to know exactly how he's graded this way. He's being mis-used and it's affecting his ability to be a strong pass rusher from the interior.

 

I didn't say their run defense grades were an issue, I said their pass rushing grades were an issue in this context.

I'd love to hear your explanation why there is a 20+ point swing between two players producing very similarly in similar snap count.

 

The same way a 5 yard run in a lot of situations can show more talent and be a lot more impressive than a 15 or 20 yard run?

I'm sorry I couldn't tell if that was actually a serious question.

 

Oooh, *****y. Not particularly well thought-out, but I appreciate the spirit.

Pro Football Focus pretty clearly states they normalize their grades by position. Different positions are going to be held to different standards. Interior linemen are going to fundamentally create pressure less often than edge rushers, and that's taken into indication for that.

Some positions cannot have positive or negative plays based on outcome. An offensive tackle can only be graded negative in pass protection, but by putting them into context with a normalized "average" you can figure out how much pressure players typically give up, and what is significantly more or less. It's almost certainly the same thing for pass rushing, where a "normal" performance on any given pass rush play is being single-blocked 1v1 by a normally opposed player and not creating pressure. They're also not grading technique.

It's quite reasonable that Justin Smith have a better grade than Jared Odrick. His non-pressures might be a result of double teams, and his pressures might be more impressive, but it doesn't make sense that a typical non-productive play is going to get graded that much more negatively without being normalized differently due to positions.

It's pretty simple stuff, might wanna read the FAQ.