I'm a little bit surprised about them releasing Tyler Clutts, but I wonder if they don't think they're better off with Clay at fullback and Sims at TE than a Clutts/Clay combo.

 

Yep. Tyler Clutts and Kelcie McCray were the obvious choices to be cut after that debacle of a game. Those 2 guys should hang their heads in shame for the poor pass protection and pass plays they gave up. Message ends. :pity:

 

With McCray I imagine it has to do with health. He was the 11th defensive back and the rookies are ready to go now.

 

Is this the same Sims that caught the TD in the Falcons game and was invisible in yesterdays game?

 

I would say maybe it is time to play Yeatman at right tackle. As far as the issues on defense, I thought Vernon actually played pretty well. Coaching is behind a lot of the foulness last night. Jerry has not looked good. He didn't appear to play well last week and was pretty "weak" Monday.

 

You mean his blocking by that i presume?

 

Yeatman has to be one of the biggest mysteries on the entire squad. Is this his 3rd season?

 

Been curious about what the hold up with Watkins getting reps for Jerry is myself. Sucks that Louis wasn't able to recover from the knee injury. Hoping to see Watkins after the bye, if not sooner.

 

Am I the only one who thinks we are getting out coached at the start of every game but things change in the second half? Coyle admits it this week, but it seems to be the norm to me.

 

Garner is ahead of Watkins, problem is if you insert Garner, there goes your C/G/T backup

 

Abso-****ing-lutely.

I've been banging that drum since Clutts appeared and stalled the offense our whenever he came in (other than pure goalline stuff). Sims is a far better option, though his whiff on that seam pass last night was disappointing. The offense as a whole moves better when he is out there than when Clutts was.

 

Honestly, I'm surprised we have not seen him and Clay being targeted in the passing game at the same time in 12 personnel.

 

I think Philbin is a great coach, but Payton is better at the Offensive design than Sherman is, imo.

And Rob Ryan is a bit better than Coyle.

PLus Brees is better than Tannehill.

And so on and so forth.

It accumulates into a loss.

 

Sarcasm duly noted. Yessireebob, Clutts and McCray cost us that game last night. They were the obvious choices to be cut. Clutts played 4 snaps on offense, and McCray played on STs only.

 

In reputation only. Do you honestly believe Ryan could have coordinated a defense that would have been more effective against Brees and the Saints offense?

 

Clutts played 4 snaps on offense. Yeah, he was the one that bogged the offense down. I heard that on that 3rd and an inch play, it was originally gonna be a QB sneak behind our twin of an All Pro Center, but Clutts talked them out of it in the huddle to try to that slow developing outside run to Thomas.

 

Hmm, have to wonder if this does mean Egnew does rotate into a role on the offense and Clay spends more time in the backfield.

 

PFF gave our two highest overall defensive grades to OV and Odrick. +2.1 and 2.0 respectively.

As for Jerry, IMO, both tackles played worse.

 

I'm sorry, but Ryan is not better than Coyle. like they said on the radio, this will be the first year ever as DCoordinator that Ryan will end up with a winning record. While that's not all his fault, it is a reflection of his defenses.

 

Call me a pretend psychoanalyst but this statement by Philbin tells me he's already fed up with the "why wasn't your number one receiver more involved" questions. He essentially asserted that Mike Wallace had plenty of chances to produce, and then covered his implication by saying that Wallace did well in the game when pretty much anyone with eyes should've been able to tell he was not doing well.

Remember, Philbin did a lot of talking in 2012 about how he does not like the idea of having a number one receiver with all the expectations that entails. That was supposed to be a big part of the reason they ditched one of the best wide receivers in the game, Brandon Marshall.

 

Compared to all those times Kevin Coyle has had a winning record.

 

FWIW I think McCray's release might have more to do with the fact that the rookie CBs are getting healthy than anything, allowing the team to move Wilson to a backup safety role.

 

Completely false?? That is an exaggeration. So we are going to base the ability of both as a coordinator on just the 4 games this season? That seems rather illogical to me.
Rob Ryan has been getting DC jobs around the league for years, and never fields a top ten unit. Maybe he will this year. Coyle's first season as a DC was last year, and Miami was top 10 in points allowed.
I take that back. In 9 years as a DC, he has had one top 5 unit in yards allowed, never top 10 in points allowed. He may this year, but this year isn't over yet.
IMO, he isn't a patch on his twin brother's *** as a defensive mind, and gets jobs based mostly on name.

 

Last year was his first as a DC. Miami allowed the 7th fewest points. That is a pretty good start for a first time DC.

 

OV had a sack and 4 hurries according to them. 1.9 grade in run defense and 0.9 in pass rush. Odrick was 3.2 in run defense and -0.9 in pass rush.

You're not sure how I can say anyone was better than Jerry? I did not say that. I said I thought Clabo and Martin were worse. Clabo allowed a sack, 2 hits and 4 hurries. Martin allowed 2 sacks and 2 hurries. Jerry allowed 1 hit and 1 hurry. Jerry was worse as a run blocker, but Clabo and Martin weren't great either. IMO, Clabo and Martin were worse pass blocking than Jerry was run blocking.

 

All other things aside I'd take that all day long.

 

The Saints played 3 of 4 games at home so far too. That they have perhaps the best offense in the league makes things much easier for the DC, constantly playing with a lead. I think Dallas had as much talent on D when Ryan was there as Miami has now. Cannot recall the defensive rosters of Cleveland and Oakland back then.
My question however was "Do you honestly believe Ryan could have coordinated a defense that would have been more effective against Brees and the Saints offense?"
Since you adamantly stated that question was completely false, I guess that means you think Ryan could slow down the Saints offense better than Coyle did.
I stand by my statement that Ryan's defensive units throughout his career, as a whole, have not equaled his reputation, what with coming from the Ryan family of reputedly great defensive minds. Buddy, yes. Rex, yes. Rob, not so much.

 

Maybe they swap places with he and Kovacs, if McCray clears waivers.

 

Knowing your offense is absolutely going to capitalize on every turnover, every 3 and out, and consistently put up points whenever they get the ball must be a pretty sweet gig. Coyle would probably look like a god as their DC cause he could blitz all day long. Get burned for a TD? No problem. Your offense is up by 20 anyway

 

I wasn't disputing that. All I was saying that Ohio Finatic's line of argument about judging Rob Ryan from the overall win/loss record of the team's he's been a DC of was asinine.

 

In his last 2 jobs (Cleveland, Dallas) as DC Rob Ryan was doing a great job in his first year but came backt to earth in his 2nd year.
That might have more to do with motivation than his DC skills. Just like his brother as a HC they live on their brouhaha style which works for 1-2 years.
As a pure DC he is average, maybe good but not graet imho. We'll see how he does next year in NO...

 

I'm guessing change will come during the by week, no time to mix it up during a short week IMV.