Barry Jackson sports buzz 12/7 - Philbin expected back in 2014, Ireland's status TBD

i wonder why you posted this this is not the best report to bash jeff ireland...

Seventh-round cornerback Jimmy Wilson, picked 235th in 2011, has improved significantly; quarterbacks have a 67.9 rating in his coverage area, which is 19th-best in the league and down from 99.6 in 2012.

## From 2011: No player chosen in the sixth or seventh round that year has been as productive as Charles Clay, selected 174th. Clay (53 catches, 581 yards) ranks sixth among tight ends in receptions, has more catches than Anthony Fasano in any of his five seasons in Miami and might break Randy McMichael’s single-season record for receiving yards by a Dolphins tight end (791 on 2004).

### From 2010: Reshad Jones (drafted at 163) and to a lesser extent, Nolan Carroll (145) rank arguably among the top 5 to 10 players picked in rounds five through seven that year. (Pittsburgh’s Antonio Brown is clearly the best.)

Jones’ play has declined somewhat from a year ago, but Carroll is much-improved; he’s allowing a 66.1 passer rating in his coverage area. That ranks 15th-best among 112 qualifying cornerbacks.

"Alex13 wrote:

i wonder why you posted this this is not the best report to bash jeff ireland...

didn't post it to bash him, i just figured you guys would appreciate an update on our coach and GM's job security from a highly respected and credible team insider.

"LBsFinest wrote:

didn't post it to bash him, i just figured you guys would appreciate an update on our coach and GM's job security from a highly respected and credible team insider.

lol, no you didn't

What does the LB stand for in your user name of LBsFinest?

"Alex13 wrote:

i wonder why you posted this this is not the best report to bash jeff ireland...

Also Clay has a bunch of TDs. And I have always said that Ireland does well with high first round picks and fifth to seventh rounders and UDfAs/CFL dudes.

Thing is, today's NFL requires a GM to deliver at a high rate on second and third rounders to truly maximize talent versus salary cap spending. That's been a weaker area for Jeff thus far. It's hard to separate some of those results from Sparano's staff not developing talent properly though.

Also, Vontae and Sean Smith seem to be decent players. They simply aren't here because this particular staff didn't think they were their type of players.

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"MrClean wrote:

What does the LB stand for in your user name of LBsFinest?

I always assume linebackers. Maybe Long Beach's finest? But that's my L.A. Perspective.

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Barry Jackson sports buzz 12/7 - Philbin expected back in 2014, Ireland's sta...

The article shows that Ireland's work in the lower rounds of the draft is good; definitely good enough to take him out of the blind squirrel category. What makes him a candidate for replacement is his inability to work the upper rounds effectively, including his inability to address the offensive line. Maybe he should be someone's assistant and specialize in the lower rounds and UFA's.

"Bpk wrote:

I always assume linebackers. Maybe Long Beach's finest? But that's my L.A. Perspective.

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Yea LB is Long Beach

"LBsFinest wrote:

Yea LB is Long Beach

even worse than what I said.

hey have you met my friend Matt Boik? You two have a lot in common. Should probably go out for a beer. :shifty:

I don't know that the problem with Ireland has really been talent evaluation. He's likely better than most when it comes to that.

His problem has been mostly a lack of vision in roster management. He, as a chess player, looks at the board only after you make your move. He has little anticipation and foresight.

We'll never know how good or bad Ireland is/was as long as we don't have a coaching staff (neither Sparano was nor Philbin is, imo) who's not capable of getting the best out of the players...

"toto wrote:

We'll never know how good or bad Ireland is/was as long as we don't have a coaching staff (neither Sparano was nor Philbin is, imo) who's not capable of getting the best out of the players...

you see the development of wilson, carroll and clay ? no ?

"Alex13 wrote:

you see the development of wilson, carroll and clay ? no ?

Yep. And the development of a Donald Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Mike Wallace and many others.

For my liking there are too many players that were brought in at their primes just to see their performance go downward in Miami and going up after they left. Coaches were not able to bring the best out of those players. Put them into situations where they can make the best out of their talent.
Not to mention a couple of young players we called busts here and watch them develop into decent starters elsewhere...

I don't really have much problem with Ireland's drafting. I've generally liked the drafts since Parcells left. IMO the turnover in system and coaches has made those picks appear worse. Fans don't understand how much system fit matters. My issue with Ireland has always been how he interacts with players.

Mt problem with Ireland is that he seems to think that he is the smartest guy in the room. Trouble is that when you're dealing with NFL GMs, agents and HCs everyone is the smartest guy in the room because you are at the very pointy end of a very big pyramid.

"toto wrote:

Yep. And the development of a Donald Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Mike Wallace and many others.

For my liking there are too many players that were brought in at their primes just to see their performance go downward in Miami and going up after they left. Coaches were not able to bring the best out of those players. Put them into situations where they can make the best out of their talent.
Not to mention a couple of young players we called busts here and watch them develop into decent starters elsewhere...

Mike Wallace is already developed in NFL terms and Bush had a nice season under Philbin. Its only been one season, I couldn't tell you if Philbin can or can't develop talent yet.

"toto wrote:

Yep. And the development of a Donald Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Mike Wallace and many others.

For my liking there are too many players that were brought in at their primes just to see their performance go downward in Miami and going up after they left. Coaches were not able to bring the best out of those players. Put them into situations where they can make the best out of their talent.
Not to mention a couple of young players we called busts here and watch them develop into decent starters elsewhere...

that's not development when they are vets, it's utilization.

While I believe Ireland has had an impact on all player decisions since he became the teams GM six years ago, if you just judge him on his performance since Parcells departed, the team has been mediocre at best. They were 6-10 in 2011 and 7-9 last year.

I have felt all along that the Dolphins need to make the playoffs this year for Ireland to keep his job. The team is in a position to control their destiny, if the Ravens lose one more game this season. So all the Dolphins have to do is win their next four games and Ireland should keep his job. Anything less than a playoff berth this season and Ireland should be replaced.

I'm still not convinced Philbin is a quality NFL HC, but Ross obviously likes him and wants him to remain, no matter how the Dolphins finish this season. I see this as a problem if Ross wants to hire a new GM after this season. I don't imagine the better prospects for GM will want to take the job if the owner isn't going to let them determine if they want to keep the HC or not.

I would rather see Ross hire someone to oversee the entire football operations. This person should hire a new GM and these two individuals should determine if Philbin stays or a new HC is needed for the team. While Ross may be the owner, I'm not convinced he knows what he is doing when it comes to hiring the best personnel to run his football team. First he fired the HC two years ago and kept the GM. Now it appears he might fire the GM and keep the HC.

Hopefully he can find a solid individual to take over control of the football side of the operation after this season. He should let this person make the necessary football decisions and he can just be a fan on Sunday's and work on getting the stadium upgrades he wants. The less he is involved in personnel decisions for the football operations, the better it will be for the team.

"toto wrote:

Yep. And the development of a Donald Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Mike Wallace and many others.

For my liking there are too many players that were brought in at their primes just to see their performance go downward in Miami and going up after they left. Coaches were not able to bring the best out of those players. Put them into situations where they can make the best out of their talent.
Not to mention a couple of young players we called busts here and watch them develop into decent starters elsewhere...

i don´t know why you would list brandon marshall, reggie bush and mike wallace....they were good players before and still are

I think you need to give a NFL head coach 3-4 years to show what they are capable of. For one, it takes time to teach players new systems and schemes. Two, it takes time to instill the kind of culture you want and make sure you have the kind of character players you want in that culture. In the dolphins case, I think extra change was needed to overcome a losing culture that's plagued us for the better part of a decade. I've seen enough out of Philbin in teams of dealing with the bullying case and how competitive we've been this year to think he deserves another year.

It gets tougher with Ireland. He's been here for almost 6 years. How much of the Parcells portion was him vs Parcells? While he's been here, he hasn't been terrible but he also hasn't been good. He's been decent to good with his 1st round picks. He's been horrible with his 2nd and 3rd round picks. And he's been pretty good in the 4th through 7th rounds. My biggest problem with him was how weak our OL was coming into the season. Not only has it hurt RTH's development and his ability to make plays our running game is non-existent.

I also think when you look at some of the off-field stuff(getting into it with a fan, Dez Bryant and whatever his part is in the Martin saga) that has to factor in as well.

"Alex13 wrote:

i don´t know why you would list brandon marshall, reggie bush and mike wallace....they were good players before and still are

Of course. But they underperformed while they were in Miami imo. In Bush and Wallace case they were/are not used the way they should be. We all know that about Bush and CK had a couple of posts about the play design for wallace.

And I listed veterans because you can't judge a GM just of his draft.

Like I said. I'm not defending Ireland and it is time for change for sure. I'm just saying the players he drafted or brought in via free agency might look better with a coaching staff that is capable of putting players in situations where they can flourish most.

And I'm not sure our coaches are able to adapt their schemes around the individual talent every player has and hide their weaknesses...

"Bpk wrote:

Also Clay has a bunch of TDs. And I have always said that Ireland does well with high first round picks and fifth to seventh rounders and UDfAs/CFL dudes.

Thing is, today's NFL requires a GM to deliver at a high rate on second and third rounders to truly maximize talent versus salary cap spending. That's been a weaker area for Jeff thus far. It's hard to separate some of those results from Sparano's staff not developing talent properly though.

Also, Vontae and Sean Smith seem to be decent players. They simply aren't here because this particular staff didn't think they were their type of players.

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Your second and third round picks are your most valuable picks, and Jeff has been woefully bad in selecting talent in those rounds.

"cdz12250 wrote:

The article shows that Ireland's work in the lower rounds of the draft is good; definitely good enough to take him out of the blind squirrel category. What makes him a candidate for replacement is his inability to work the upper rounds effectively, including his inability to address the offensive line. Maybe he should be someone's assistant and specialize in the lower rounds and UFA's.

He's also very bad when it comes to free agency. He does not understand positional value and is too willing to overpay in free agency. He also lacks a view on how to put together a complete team where all the parts work together, and he is struggling at identifying talent for a different system than what he is used to.

Philbin is much more dangerous to this team than Ireland is. The worst case scenario with Ireland is the team will stagnate, Philbin and his staff can and probably will ruin your quarterback, other players, and put this team in a hole.