exactly, the Dolphins defense were Detroit bad on monday. One of the worst defensive performances I have seen.

 

Did you also know that our defense was above average at sacking Manning that game? He was sacked 14 times last year.....less than once a game. And we did it in about half the time other teams have had to make a sack.

Sometimes stats aren't the whole story...

Manning and Clark eating us alive wasn't that big of shock to me.......it didn't point out anything new. We knew that our Safeties and LB's are liabilities in coverage. We knew it would be hard to keep them out of the end zone and we deff knew that Manning is just the guy to exploit ANY weakness we might have......I don't care how much time the Colts had the football. Manning putting up 27 points against this defense, is NOT a big surprise..

Our staff had to approach this game knowing we needed to put some points on the board to have a chance......not just control the clock.

I think Manning putting up 27 points in 15 minutes is far less amazing than us ending up with 23 points in 45 minutes.

Not making excuses for the defense, but until we upgrade certain positions, it is what it is...and you take that into account when you game plan.

 

DISNARDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Excellent!! :up: THANK YOU i actually learned something this week which is a miracle with all the sky is falling threads. Lets be realistic people, what do we need to do to shore this up? Do the rookies need more time to get the NFL game, or is it something else. Like the Safties, MLB, what? help me im lost and my heart bleeds for these guys! CHEERS ALL

 

...So we got one sack Monday night... where Peyton basically just gave Porter the sack by dropping to the ground.

 

comon dude.....he gets that sack regardless of peyton dropping to the ground or not......you make it seem it was like when favre dropped for strahan to get the sack record

 

We have below avg MLB's and Safeties that can't cover very well. Plus one of our safeties can't tackle. So pretty much from 5 yds past the line of schrimage and the majority of the middle of the field we have a huge coverage problem. I didn't understand the majority of our draft, and as the season goes on I will continue to question it.

 

While eatin up the clock and keeping Manning off the feild were important remember! That was a huge part of the offense strategy which dictated the play calling!

While getting 23 pts in 45 minutes isnt aweful or great, what is disgusting is giving up 27 pts in 14.57 minutes JMO

 

I have no idea how you can think that.

Manning putting up 27 points in 15 minutes is a surprised. It is like him scoring 54 points in 30 minutes, which he doesn't do very often.

 

Nice work Disnardo. It proves what i`ve been saying since monday night. The only reason this game wasnt a blow out was because our offense kept the ball for so long. If we didnt have as many first downs as we did,or if we turned the ball over, Peyton and Company would have put up 40 or 50 points no problem. It was a pathetic defensive effort,to say the least. I never saw so many missed tackles in my life. I watched the Giants/Cowboys game and I must say- The Giants defense impressed the hell out of me. They had no missed tackles that I saw and when they got their hands on the ball carrier,he was down on contact. We dont even come close to that type of defensive play. Our effort was putrid! Maybe this week they`ll redeem themselves-after all they didnt play this past monday so the short week and the trip to S.D. shouldnt be a problem.

 

THats why it hurts and the Defense is held accountable, in the end we turn it around i just hope its not to late :up:

 

Strange part is nobody was running through a breakdown...we had guys chasing on everyplay but counting the sack and 9 incompletions another slide by Manning.... the D had 24 plays in which they needed to make a tackle...7 missed tackles..30% or so missed tackles would have made a highschool coach worry about losing his job...horrendous.

 

I'm sorry but scoring 23 points vs Manning, with the guys we have in coverage will result in a loss, far more times than not....15 minutes or not.

I fully understand that our defensive play was not acceptable and needs to be addressed. But at the same time, you can't just win by keeping Manning off the field in this game.....you have to drive for TD's, not FG's. Because when he does get on the field....against the guys we have in coverage, he's gonna score TD's.

A conservative offensive approach at times, was just as much to blame as anything...well except for maybe Ted Ginn :lol:

It was Sparano who was willing to settle for 3 points and rely on our defense to keep them out of the end zone. That looked very questionable at the time and in hindsight, looks no better.

We have the same thing waiting for us next Sunday.....and we better put some points on the board because you can bet the Chargers will.

 

No but with the current personnel, we do have some serious match up problems with certain teams.

but we didn't, we drove for FG's

Are you saying we scored a sufficient number of points in the amount of time we maintained possession?

Regardless of offensive philosophy, we had the ball for 45 minutes.....which should be enough time to rack up 4 TD's on dive plays alone...

 

Based on what exactly?

Your entire philosophy is based exclusively on your dislike of Pennington.

Many teams have scored less than 23 points in more than 3 quarters. Very few, have scored 27 in less than one quarter. The defense lost this game regardless of Penny, Ginn, Henning, 2 minute offense, etc. etc.

 

Great post and great research! :up:

 

Well then I apologize for being so close minded:rolleyes:

 

we are 23rd in pass d and I'm not sure that takes in account time of pos.which makes it even worse. Wilsons pop warner coach called him to remind him how to tackle. It doesn't get any easier Sunday.

 

can't agree with that.....they looked like conservative FG drives to me.

I think you underestimate just how poorly our defense matches up with Manning and company.....I think when you factor in who he is against who we have, those 27 points seem less remarkable.

Again, not saying the defense shouldn't get blame for their performance, it was scary bad....

But there were other factors as well as to why we could maintain that much of a time advantage and still lose.....I'm sure the staff isn't excited about the fact that we held on to the ball for 3/4 of the game, ran for 240 yds and yet could only put the ball in the end zone twice...

 

I just don't understand how one sack represents a games worth of pressure... or lack thereof.

 

it doesn't, nor was that the point I was trying to make.....I followed what you quoted with "Stats don't always tell the whole story"

 

The point is Manning really didn't have that many possessions. When he did he scored in 2-3 minutes or less. If Ginn catches both of those TD passes the Dolphins score 34 points and everyone's raving about the offense.

 

it doesnt lol....i was just defending j-peezy. he makes that sack regardless of peyton laying down or not

 

I think the problem with our pressure, specifically against Peyton, was that if it was there at all it was generated on the perimeter.
Guys like Peyton need to have pressure in their face, up the middle to get rattled. That was the only thing that seems to get to the great ones.

 

You hold a team to 14 minutes of possession
YOU WINN...AT LEAST TEAMS IN THE LAST 32 YEARS HAVE WON

BUT NOT US

 

The defense sucked but...................

I could make a very legitimate argument that the ROOT cause of this loss was the strange desire to do something other than WILDCAT. Why this team chose to do anything else is still at a loss to any argument based on logic. The Colts could not stop it. So the Dolphins did it for them.

 

1) missed tackles
2) dropping passes
3) sacks

 

Then how do you explain, your refusal to put 99% of the blame for this loss on one the worst defensive performances of all time? All time! How do you justify that, if not because of your dislike of Penny, clouding your judgment?

 

I think you hit on the most important problems, which first and foremost is the missed tackles. I think I counted 4 just on the one touchdown play (the first touchdown of the 2nd half where Brown ran it in). Had we tackled at least as good as a high school team, we'd at least have slowed down those drives, and probably could've even eliminated one of their 3 possessions in the 2nd half.

I also agree with us having to chase down plays. On that last touchdown, everyone seemed to be out of position and Wilson made a terrible angle and should've cut Garcon off. We let way too many plays get behind us instead of keeping everything in front of us and making the tackle! Or better yet, get some pressure, sacks, defend some passes so the completion is not made!

 

i'm usually pretty hard on Pennington, but this loss can not be put on him. the WRs have to come down with those catches in the EZ ...

the defense is another story ... but with little pressure and no one to cover the middle, that is not a recipe for success over the rest of the season.

i was not too concerned that we lost to ATL ... but this last game should not have been a loss. what is most concerning is that NE, NYJ, and BUF will all be postured to do the same thing against us ... and that is bothersome - with nothing in the cupboard to fix the problem.

 

Its Ginns fault that he didnt tackle. Hell has he even tackled anyone ever?

 

I actually blame the loss on the conservative nature of our offense and defense...essentially, what Sparano is comfortable with.

Being conservative gives us so little margin for errors, that we need the other team to make errors in order to win comfortably. Looking at last year and so far this year, it's obvious that we're probably going to see a lot more of this type of ending where we have to make plays or else we lose.

I really wish we'd open up the offense and be more aggressive defensively...may be next year.

 

Miami had a lot of blitzes on defense. I do not think they were not aggressive on defense.

 

where is the pressure? we have all these pass rushers but we look so predictable with our Defense.......if our secondary is a weakness then our Front 7 can't be playing like this....why don't we ever look at the steelers, ravens, jets and pick up some of the stuff they do with creating pressure.....its like manning always knew where we are going to bring the pressure......not saying he isn't a great QB and obviously the best at picking up that stuff but I've seen the chargers confuse manning to the point he threw like 6 picks one night....