Anyone else watching this? It’s a whitewashing of Parcells’ career coupled with fairly shallow sound bytes. I suppose the average ESPN viewer considers this in-depth information relative to the crap analysis ESPN normally puts out, but…
Some bits of note:
Parcells took Jake Long over Matt Ryan because he was afraid of Ryan’s pricetag as a #1 overall QB;
There’s a huge draft board in the background that’s likely very similar to the Dolphins’ board, eff you very much Bill;
Mike Pouncey is listed as barely a 1st rounder on that board;
“There is no size prototype for running backs”;
Pat White “was my mistake… our mistake… my mistake, because I was in charge of it eventually”; and
Parcells thinks at the top of the draft, you avoid risk and take “safe” defensive guys who affect the quarterback. Couldn’t shut up about Clay Matthews.
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I don't see how you got that first note.
That board looks like a similar thing to what Nick Caserio had up for the media in the Introduction of the Draft Evaluation segment he held.
I liked that he admitted to the White mistake.
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He spent a couple of minutes talking about the skyrocketing cost of first round players before talking about needing to play it safe at the top of the draft. He’s also noncommittal about Ryan. I’m reading in between the lines a little bit, but I don’t think my inference is wrong. It’s clear he hates risk at the top, and he perceives any quarterback making $60 million a risk.
I would assume that a Bill Parcells draft program would have a Bill Parcells draft board.
He’s done it before, but his answer tried to push the blame away a little bit.
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Odd, I think it is instructive Des, I also think some of the things that went on in Miami on Draft Day are quite clear, his approach is never to reach and never to deviate from historical norms.
IE a team full of Delivery Trucks and no sports cars. -
I’m pretty sure that you already knew that scouts operate regionally. :shifty:
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Exactly, I like the teaching aspect he is going through to make it entertaining, I also think it is funny how people on twitter are trying to make some meaning out of his draft board..as if he would post anything telling..
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He's right to hate risk and I don't see it that way regarding QB making $60M. I thought that he implied that with the high bust ratio, it is difficult to invest money into that position if you are not completely sold. Its why he talks about the safe pick.
Or not, like the Nick Caserio draft program didn't have a Nick Caserio draft board.
I don't really see it that way. Seems like everyone is trying to find something wrong with what he says. The guy said he is primarily to blame because he was calling the shots. He's right to say "we" because that was a team effort in the Draft, even though he called the shot on White. The scouts still had a part in drafting him.
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I can understand not being completely sold on Ryan. I can’t understand an almost pathological risk-avoidance at the top of the 1st, but not with Pat White. There’s a schism there he’s never adequately explained. Matt Ryan was a risk but Pat White wasn’t?
Well, when we move 4th round pick Owen Marecic to tight end, you’ll see. :tongue2:
That’s still a problem, because Ireland was supposed to have the final authority. That’s how we avoided having our interview with Ireland blocked, by explaining to the NFL that Ireland was going to receive a promotion by virtue of having final say in his job here.
It’s not that I’m trying to find something wrong in what he’s saying, it’s that his answers are unsatisfactory and they create more questions.
My impression of that overall segment is that he meant it as an absolute. -
Listen to him talk about the DT/DE's in the draft being the strength of this draft..and going off of the board quickly, meaning trade out opportunities.
Why we paid Soliai to that 12 million dollar deal? Now we are free to use that #15 in a number of directions including trading out perhaps?
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White fit his requirements as he said and there was less of a risk because of the draft positioning. He thought that he could help make White a QB. Obviously it didn't work out that way.
But he didn't. What are you going to do? Everyone knew Parcells would have final say. There was an article a while back that said Sparano, Ireland and scouts would discuss things and if there was an issue coming to an agreement, they would refer to Parcells.
Sure as hell seems like it.
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That creates another problem: the 2nd round isn’t sufficiently high enough for him to continue his philosophy of looking for safe players?
What I’m really disappointed with is Tirico not asking about the reasoning behind drafting Chad Henne.
If “everyone knew” then we would never have been able to interview Ireland. Jerry Jones would have blocked us, justifiably, by claiming Ireland would be interviewing for a position that did not constitute a promotion.
I don’t care if it “seems like it”. I’m not devoting an hour of my evening to playing MST3K with Bill Parcells. I have better things to do. I watched with an open mind, and the segments about the Dolphins left me with more questions coming out than I had coming in.
If that seems to you like I’m intentionally trying to tear him apart, I can’t help that.
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He's a big ten player (all our 1st rd picks have been) and a team captain (something most of our picks were last year, not sure about previous 1sts). I could see us taking him.MrClean likes this.
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With the implication being that they needed to coach up a raw, non-prototypical talent in White… I consider that a big risk. You write it off and move on, but you also place it in the context of a long line of 2nd round futility by the franchise.
I’d like to read this article that claims Jerry Jones knew the position wouldn’t constitute a promotion and let Ireland go anyway. I know there’s some word out there that Huizenga basically told Jones “I gave you Jason Garrett, you owe me”, but that’s not really the same issue. -
Interestingly Mallet was a captain as well.
As for Kerrigan, Koa Misi would make him tough to draft, I could see Martez Wilson moving Channing C out, but not Kerrigan moving Misi off of SOLB. -
And because he now acknowledges it as a bad move, I get to question the adequacy of his explanations for the pick. In my opinion, he has not satisfactorily explained why Pat White is now a dual sport retiree.
I still want to read this article. -
That was sort of the point of Mike Tirico asking him about it.
I’ll get right on that. -
I’ll find the homeless guy Parcells talks to and relay my concerns.
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That was an awesome show, and i only caught the last hour.
Good question about that board as he had Cam Heyward the 3rd DL rated (Big Ten biast?) but I also noticed he had Carimi as like the 5th or 6th T (Big Ten biast dissproved)
While i dont really agree with bills philosophy 100% i really like the system he has put together as far as the draft goes, how funny would it be to be inside the Bengals draft room?Desides likes this. -
Marvin Lewis was furiously scribbling notes while watching the show. :lol:
Parcells definitely has a pretty good, intricate system. Might be a little too intricate, though, if he’s distinguishing between guys who can play and “short” guys who can play. IMO, if you can play, you can play, period.Fin-Omenal likes this. -
That was sort of his final thought if you remember...I like the "jab" he took at people overanalyzing the 3 cone drill, LOL.
I think his system for drafting players makes alot of sense i just think its outdated. I mean with all the underclassmen declaring and the spread systems i think he needs/needed to tweak his philosophy a bit.
The question I have is how different is Ireland? He is a Parcells guy so I wonder if he is as anal when it comes to some of those things. Guess we will know in about 48 hrs. -
That was one of the parts I liked. :lol:
The entire NFL needs to adjust, IMO. But it’s not Parcells’ problem any longer, he’s retired. Again. :lol: It’s Ireland’s problem.
When you have Ireland drafting Ware over Spears, taking Terence Newman over Parcells’ objections, trading two 2s for Brandon Marshall… he’s different enough. I think Ireland has his own unique problems. -
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I’m not. Parcells wanted to take Spears at #11 in 2005; Ireland interjected and convinced Jones to take Ware at that spot. Spears was still available nine picks later at #20. Same thing happened with Newman, Ireland convinced Jones to draft Newman over the player Parcells wanted (I forget who).
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Was very good and very educational.
Top of the draft is for pressure players (defense), cornerbacks, left tackles. Obviously quarterback*, but we know about his trepidations there.
Regarding Long, he talked about how the success rate of offensive tackles up high is much greater than quarterbacks. That you can project those guys with much greater certainty. He talked percentages and cited the number of flat busts in of QB's right off the top the last several years (I think he said 35 of 60) and finally how many truly blue chip guys remained. With the economic impact of the current system, he doesn't feel like you can miss up there. That's why they took Long, who he obviously feels is a great player.
Talking about Pat White, he admitted they got caught up in the Wildcat -- "which was really just a novelty that won us games. Won us the division." -- and they saw White as a guy who could expand it. Even though he had a lot of the criteria they like in a quarterback, he wasn't accurate enough (and without saying it, big enough). He admitted they strayed from their philosophy on players with White.
I'd assumed that was Parcells' board. The school names were even the odd way he likes them. Who knows.
He really likes Cam Newton. If that was his board, Newton (top) and Gabbert (mid) are his only 1st round quarterbacks. Second round is Mallett, Ponder (early) and Locker (late). Dalton a mid-3rd, Kaepernick a late 3rd. Stanzi early fourth, Pat Devlin in the 5th. That's it.
He would also have Prince ahead of Patrick Peterson despite his "short arms".
Really likes Ryan Williams and Kerrigan. Mentioned a few other guys in the Hidden Gems segment.
Also, Parcells inferred that the system he normally uses wasn't completely the one they used in Miami. That in the history of his normal 2.0 - 9.0 grading system (30+ years), there's only been one guy graded 9.0 (elite, Pro Bowl, championship-caliber player the moment he steps into your facility). And that was Billy Sims. -
I could see Misi playing ILB next to Dansby. Koa reminds me of Tedy Bruschi anyway.Fin-Omenal likes this.
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True, I also think Misi is more athletic than Crowder and surely could cover better than CC can, however that would mean 2 new Lb's being added to a Top 10 Defense as well as there being no indication that such a move is in the works but:
Kerrigan/Misi/Dansby/Wake would be a nice OLB corps
So would
Roth/Misi/Dansby/Wake
The wildcard is Wake had the majority of his sacks coming off of the left side of the defense, against the RT so I have to wonder if they see Wake as a Sam and would like to add a Will to bookend with him? -
Sigh.
As for Newman, Ireland and Parcells and a couple of others were out at dinner, and Ireland informed Parcells that the decision had been made to go with Ireland’s guy and draft Newman.
I’m really getting sick of being challenged on public knowledge. If you think I’m BSing, just say it, we can cut to the chase quicker that way. Otherwise, at least give me a cursory benefit of the doubt and assume that I might, maybe, possibly have a clue here.
Um… where did I ever exclude the existence of national scouts? I think you missed my point: the airtime devoted to Parcells’ explanation of the geographical breakdown of scouting responsibilities is an example of how Draft Confidential did not contain much really new, nitty-gritty information.Fin-Omenal likes this. -
Either way, regardless of who else is on the board, if we did select Kerrigan, I'm not going to throw anything out the window and/or freak out. I'd take solace in the fact that we got a good, high motor, high character player who should help us for years to come. That said I doubt we take him because I'm guessing we trade down and he won't be around if we pick in the 20s.
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Newman may have been who Ireland wanted, as well as his wanting Ware, but Jeff did not have final say so on who Dallas drafted. Jerry Jones did and does. The reason Newman was picked was because Jones agreed with Ireland's recommendation, rather than Parcells'.
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