uhhhh, no thanks. I'd prefer someone a bit younger and the job he did in Indy was one of the worst of all time and you're only as good as your last job.

 

You mean the same guy that had the greatest QB of all time and surrounded that QB with absolute garbage? The same guy that put together a team that just went through a complete firesale and finished 2-14 when the QB that masked their lack of depth and talent got injured?

I'll pass. Not only will I pass, but can you please wait until after the draft or the midway point of the season before calling this season a failure and pushing for a GM change in 2013? Why even bother following the team if it is already a failure?

 

Bill Polian lived off of the Peyton Manning decision for a very long time and would be a big downgrade.

 

Hiring Bill would likely mean hiring Chris. Not sure that works. My guess if Ireland gets fired is some young executive with links to Carl Peterson gets the job, or they let Philbin nominate someone if he does well. The third recruitment possibility is a Huizenga style nationwide search that results in the first guy they looked at being hired anyway.

Thing is Ireland likely gets to hitch his wagon to Philbin's for at least a couple more seasons, especially if they draft a QB early as Ross will likely wait for that to pan out. Which is actually another reason why we may take a QB early even if it goes against Ireland's usual instincts.

 

In Polians defense he didnt have much cap room left after paying Manning.Certainly not enough to sign top FAs .His only avenue to improve the team was to be succesful in the draft and that didnt go very well in recent years.

Bill certainly has more stature,experience and respect from players and the NFL than Ireland IMO.

 

Again, I'm not defending Ireland but can we give him until the midway point to see how his moves pan out? We were hampered by Sparano and Henne the past two years. Let's at least have a little confidence in Philbin and the players we will select in the upcoming draft.

There is a draft on April 26th, remember?

 

But the bolded portion says it all. Building through the draft is critical for us. I wonder if Polian is too past his prime to be effective with the draft anymore. and if that's the case, I'm not interested.

 

Are you kidding? There's a reason the Colts sucked without Manning, he put no talent around him recently. Jerry Hughes, Donald Brown, those were first round picks of his lol

 

Is that really a "defense"? It seems that the GM was the one who signed Manning to the contract which precluded being able to pay anybody else...

 

Here are the Colts' drafts since 2008:

I fail to see how this guy is an upgrade over Jeff Ireland.

 

How lucky was he to get the job in Indy, and have the first pick in the draft the year the son of Archie Manning declared eligible? THAT doesn't happen often...

 

Im not an Ireland fan but this would actually be a downgrade. Polian is washed up and his son is a never was. Mike Lombardi and I know CK would support this but also Mike Mayock would be better choices. Lombardi has front office experience and Mayock has as good a handle on the draft as anyone.

 

I'd prefer to go with an younger guy who is ready to prove himself. I like steelers philosphy of building through the draft (which I hope is Philbin's Plan on O)and keeping your own guys in FA. That team has been pretty damn good no matter who the QB was. Kordell, Maddox,Big Ben,Neil O'donnell, even Charlie Batch. They just keep on winning and remaining competetive. They have had 3 losing seasons since 1992. They are doing something correct. I will reserve judgement on Ireland until after this season, give him a couple years to separate him from Parcells, I hope the younger guys like R.Jones, Misi, Gates, Clay, Jerry, Murtha and M. Moore step up.

 

Ross already has a franchise-wrecker in Carl Peterson hanging around. Peterson or Polian? It's a wash.

Green Bay has a well-respected front office and no one there has a negative word to say about Joe Philbin. So why not have a strong level of familiarity from the start and reunite Joe with one of their ranks? Someone like John Dorsey:

 

I truly believe that a real Gm, who believes in his ability, would want to take the toughest gig possible, the rewards is what it's all about, the ability to turn a franchise around with your eyes and instincts, is why these guys are in the business..

Anyone who turns the job down because of perception is weak.

Ireland is on a 1 year trial basis at this point..

 

That is a bs statement.

You are not being objective. You are far from objective.

For reference, I am objective. There's not a single objective point of view that ends in firing Ireland or singing his praise.

Not too mention, your defense of Polian, could be used for a defense of Ireland.

 

Is this an argument in favor of Polian or Ireland? Shouldn't you take the opposite of what the general public believes to be true?

 

The problem is you think that is a fact.

It isn't. Its an opinion.

Put the GM's records of acquisitions (FA & Draft) next to each other and I don't think you have the slam shut case you think you do.

 

You think Mayock would ever take a GM position because If he would I would be all for it. He is the only person on NFL Network/SportsCenter that I respect and trust. He really knows his stuff when it comes to college level talent.

 

Yeah hey at least well have a football team till you know our qb goes down. Then we can read everyone ***** about how all we need is such and such position every offseason.

 

Polian is overrated and its not even about the Manning thing.
The only reason Kelly came back to Buffalo was because he had no choice.

 

Polian? What a terrible idea.

Yeah, let's hire the recently FIRED GUY of a talent barren 1-15 Indy team whose owner didn't seem to trust as a GM capable of properly building an organization & team going forward with Andrew Luck. "!!BOOO, Ireland sucks and can't build a good team so let's hire the guy who's team has less talent!!"

Pure genius idea. Break out the medals. :shifty:

 

yeah, he really effectively addressed QB in Carolina with Kerry Collins. :unsure:


.... and it's remarkable he could address the QB position in Indy considering all he had to work with was a #1 overall pick during a year where the QB was the unanimous #1 player. :shifty:



It seems like you care more about making up stuff to support your argument than you are the facts. That doesn't make you very credible.

 

I like Rich McKay in Atlanta.

 

Frankly if you could pry him out of the Fox booth, I'd rather have Jimmy Johnson as our GM over Polian. Criticize JJ for whatever you like, but the man had an eye for talent and knows how to build a football team. JMVHO

 

Is it your strategy to say a bunch of stuff to make it seem like you're addressing the topic of the post that relates to your previous post despite you not really saying anything at all?

Yeah, it's common for teams to cut a QB (who "addresses the position") halfway through his 4th year. :unsure:

I didn't call Collins a joke; you did, but thanks for YET AGAIN using another straw argument to help make yourself look right. Is that ALL you can do?

What's your statement have to do with my post referencing your "addressing QB everywhere he went" post? What's that? Nothing?

What's your statement have to do with my post referencing your "addressing QB everywhere he went" post? What's that? Nothing again?

But to address your statement. It took him multiple years of Polian running the team to get it at the 1-15 level of 2011. That's entirely UNRELATED to a GM with one year of control trying to fix a team that the previous czar left in shambles. If you want to use my own argument against me in true apples to apples fashion, you'd have to say something like "Bill Polian did the best he could with a terrible Manningless team that the previous GM (who was himself) left him with." Yeah, I can see how this makes me seem like a hypocrite. :glare:

What's your statement have to do with my post referencing your "addressing QB everywhere he went" post? What's that? More nothing?

But to address your statement.
A. Another straw argument? Really? You seem addicted to these. Perhaps you should check yourself into a local "straw arguments anonymous" meeting.
B. PARCELLS is the one who attempted to build Miami, not Ireland. Ignorance-- look up the definition.
C. a first year "full control" GM inheriting a team that his czar left in disarray is nothing similar to a GM with years of full control whose team under his control became an insufficiently talented 1-15 disappointment. So, the first GM inherited a problematic team, while the second one built the problematic team.

 

, now the colts were garbage? , talk about revisionist history .

Edgerrin James
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Addai
Freeney
Mathis
Sanderson
Bethea
Saturday

To name a few were not garbage .

 

lol @ you dodging the subject again. Perhaps you confuse strawman with something Wizard of Oz related. :dunno:

 

He's had his ups and downs. The talent on Indy has been eroding for awhile and with Manning going down the team collapsed. But he absolutely did build a steller and talented team around him for awhile. His main shortcoming is his recent high round mistakes, that with the aging of the team spelled doom when Manning went down. He has always been solid at finding guys in the lower rounds to come in and contribute.

To deride him as an overall terrible GM is foolish though.