How much confidence does everyone have in these two going forward?
Grier especially scares the hell out of me... Do we really want this guy making the picks next year?
His last three 1st round picks all appear to range from Busts (Harris) to JAGS (Minkah/Wilkins) not to mention his second round “gems” of Gesecki and McMillan... This clown has a managed to stay in the shadows for 20 years and coincidentally that’s precisely the length of time in which we’ve been unable to draft competently.
Flores sounds like a buffoon and can’t string a sentence together without “uhm”
Every. Other. Word. which doesn’t instill much confidence.... his post game presser was laughable. I predict the team will tune him out by week 8 if not sooner.
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I actually feel bad for Flores. Imagine, being told, we are gonna rebuild in your vision starting from scratch. We are gonna land the first pick in the draft and get you Tua. I don't think he could have possibly envisioned how much tearing down was going to happen.
I think obviously, the first rule of tank club is that you do not talk about tank club. He says that he is trying to win, but it is now 100% clear to the men in the locker room that we are tanking. Guys have called their agents and want out. They know they can't trust him.
If he loses the locker room, you have to at least consider firing him. I expect a lot of guys to get released next year as well; however, not everyone will be cut. Also, there is gonna be a lot of new guys coming in next season, and it would be devastating to have vets tell them that this team is a disaster.
I am with you with Grier. I would love to know what Ross sees in him. Honestly, it reminds me of Gase when everybody said he was a genius and the reputation just stuck. It feels like Grier is getting a reputation for being a great GM because people say he's a great GM.
We have one shot to do this right, and I am not sure about either of these guys. Flores may very well be a victim of circumstance.
It has been long rumored that Jim Harbaugh will eventually come back to the NFL, and it will be with the Dolphins. Michigan just barely squeaked out a win vs. Army. Call it a hunch, that after this disaster of a season is over, the job would be very enticing. Draft picks and cash. Harbaugh could bring in his own guy to be the GM. I would trust him much more than Grier and company using those picks.hitman8 likes this. -
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I am all in on Harbs... would love Ross to back up the brinks truck and get him here.
I will say that there will be likely be many suitors to take over as GM/President/Coach if we secure the top pick in the draft... I mean that sort of capitol in a year where a potential generational talent at QB is coming out along with a clean slate is very attractive.FinFaninSeattle and jdallen1222 like this. -
As far as the timing goes, Ross will hire him whenever he becomes available- if that was tomorrow, Flores would be out on his *** in a heartbeat. But (1) Harbaugh is in no rush to leave college ball and (2) he hasn't committed to Ross in any way, shape or form. So this is probably more of a fantasy than anything but who knows...maybe Ross is secretly an evil genius that had this in the works all along. -
You’re exactly ONE game into their tenure together and knew they were rebuilding. I’m not sure how anyone can have a valid opinion good or bad. I’m reserving judgment until I see year 2 after reloading with a lot of draft picks.
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No thanks to Harbaugh... y’all are just full of bad ideas.. next we are going to here Bill Cowher suggested for the millionth time.
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As for Flores, the team looked as unprepared as I've ever seen and he is quite possibly the worst public speaker I've seen be a HC in the NFL. He struggles to articulate even the most simple thoughts and he never says anything of substance. I already think the team is tuning him out and he's likely already lost the locker room after not fighting to keep Tunsil and Stills and then antagonizing Stills by playing JayZ. Leave it to our buffoon owner to give this guy a 5 year guaranteed contract. Who does that? Ross...that's who.SkapePhin likes this. -
I regularly have watched Dolphins coach pressers on their website since Saban. This doesnt have anything to do with their performance on Sunday but I stopped watching Flores sometime in the Summer... I haven't checked out his post game presser from Sunday or anything today. I just don't enjoy listening to him talk. Again, has nothing to do with his coaching and I'd probably say the same thing about Bellichek if he didnt have the rings to back it up.
On the flip side, damn I miss watching Dan Campbell for those few weeks lolKeyFin likes this. -
Olay let's not bring Minkah down, he was pretty damn solid last year and one game doesnt change what he is. Let's see if he develops.
Wilkins I dont know yet, let's not judge his career on one game either.
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Also right or wrong, his fault or not, I dont like the atmosphere that is being created by he and Grier.
Basically performance should be rewarded but I feel like that isnt happening with this team currently, in other words no incentive to perform because you arent safe from a cut/trade.
I still dont like the trade but I can live with it, it's done, but I just dont see why any players would buy into him. If he was my boss I feel like he'd be the guy you do impressions of when hes out of the room.Surfs Up 99 likes this. -
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I'm freaking out over Grier though because he's yet to have a "home run" pick in the first round and we're losing on purpose so he has a higher 1st round pick. Surely you can see the irony there, can't you? I just have no faith in him at all.Surfs Up 99 likes this. -
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This is why I created a Grier evaluation thread..I’m not his fan..I’m just trying to hope that the personnel team assembled can come to better conclusions..
He hired Flores, and I think Flores is what we need, so I’m open to the relationship..
This franchise, this team, for decades has shown so many negative traits, I think in Flores, you have someone with a mission to make something right that hasn’t been right in so long, that you are nowseeing backlash on multiple levels, players, media.etc.
The front office and this coaching staff believes in this plan, so do I..we needed to blow up this whole thing, and in doing so, no one but whoever is in that room is gonna believe..but they shouldn’t care, just stick...to...the ..plan...and when incompetent decision makers want to give you more assets for a player than they are worth, you pounce, and when players are wanting more than their market worth, let them walk, and if players, don’t want to be a part of the future, it’s cool, I would look to trade you for assets..and when the media wants to act like they know better then the men in that room, shut them out and focus on the mission.Surfs Up 99 likes this. -
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Wilkins is still extremely early but I like what few snaps I saw of him, his interviews and praise from coaches. A lot of things could go downhill but I think he’s gonna be a gamer. -
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I dont think Grier is here to make draft picks in 2020..
And if im Ross, i send a brinks truck to get Ozzie Newsome out of retirement to make those picks. Give him whatever executive title necessary to make it work.Surfs Up 99 likes this. -
For all you wanting Harbaugh, let me tell you that guy is as stubborn as any coach we have had and mediocre at his job.. In Michigan he always has top 5 recruitment every year, and yet his teams perform like they dont even deserve a bowl game.
He refuses quarterback changes even when Shea Patterson has fumbled the ball 7-8 times the last 6 quarters.. and Shea isn’t even that good at throwing the ball anyways, he has more talented quarterbacks behind Shea.. you guys want that circus here again? Okay..texanphinatic and resnor like this. -
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To this:
Obviously there is more to HC than public speaking, but the ability to communicate is essential to leadership. Flores just comes off so timid. He looks and sounds like he's just happy to be there. He only speaks in generalities. In today's press conference, he didn't even mention anything about "winning", only about "improving". It's like he has already conceded that they will lose the game. WTF?
When Richard speaks, you feel it. He engages. He explains things in such a way that you know he knows wtf he's talking about. You feel something as a listener. That's a good communicator, and a huge part of leadership.
Grier had the choice to hire someone with clear leadership skills, and chose to go with the guy with the assistant coach mentality instead. I'm confident Richard will go on to be a great HC in this league while we will sink with Flores in the long run.Losferwords likes this. -
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I think dolphins fans more than anyone dissect head coach interviews.
Like Wannstedt use of the word “standpoint”.
And how Gase always threw his players under the bus. By the way, a New York newspaper actually said the same thing monday:
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Flores is a Buffoon... if you watch the SB highlights against the Rams you’ll notice its BB that’s engaging and coaching up the D, not Flores.
My working theory is that Flores had his headset unplugged and he was “miming” being the DC to save face. :)
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