Phenomenal details man, thanks!

 

Or trade Bess, draft Patterson AND sign Jennings after resigning Hartline. Come back with Bailey with our second 2nd.

 

Tannehill is terrible. He does not give the WR a chance to catch the ball on many of those throws. Not that Hartline would catch them all, but Tannehill throws the ball with low trajectory and does not give the receiver a chance on long passes or endzone. Same problem Henne had for years.

 

Yes, he's terrible. thanks for posting.

 

The two most glaring were the end zone drop against the Jets and the one when he got behind William Gay. There was another end zone pass that got stripped out of his hands, but I don't think it's in these games. Couldn't find it anyway.

 

What THill lacks is really accurate ball placement, his trajectory is fine, but often he is about 8 inches off, just enough.

 

That is also my highest price as well.

 

PASS. I'm not gonna give him anywhere near #2 WR money when most likely he'll get outplayed by new receivers and fall to the 3rd or 4th option

 

I would trade Bess. Is he really a receiver than can play just as well on the outside as he does in the slot?

 

Eh, the Raiders dropped Td stood out, he needed to attack that ball.

-What bothers me about him is his route tree, or lack thereof, the whole middle of the field is just not normally on his menu
-LOVE THill's release, that ball is coming out quickly, thought earlier in the yr he was sort of slow to read the field, but his release reminds me of #13.

 

Watching again, I guess that would have been tough for any WR. The defender's arm was already inside before the ball got to Hartline. So he just had to rake the ball out. Hartline tried to body catch it too, which made the CB's job easier. That's how it looked to me anyway.

 

D'pate posted some split stats last year that showed Bess was actually more productive on the outside. Don't know where he found them though.

 

I am fine with that.

I like Bess and he is good at short area. I just think he isn't worth 3 million a year.

My dream that will never happen is that Miami trades their 2nd 3rd and Bess to New England for their first.

 

If that's true, then I would keep him. What KB21 said about Green Bays receivers having the ability to play anywhere on the field makes me rethink who we should keep/acquire.

 

When the ball arrived he was like you say about 7 yds in bounds, but his left foot was down and his right foot was up. By the time his right foot came down which would be the plant foot to cut left and up field, he was about a step and a half from the sideline and I don't think he was capable of stopping his momentum and cutting up field.

 

good point, especially when watching these clips and noting how often Hartline was moved around rather than spending most of his time lined up on the right. :shifty:

 

Thanks for the breakdown, Chris. Great stuff. Definitely depressing seeing all those plays/TDs left on the field, brobeans.

 

Nice work CK, very nicely detailed.

 

Whadaya mean, whadaya mean? ;)
Hartline was the X receiver split right about 90% of the time. Was he ever in the slot? I can't say he wasn't for sure, but not enough to remember any specific plays.

 

To the point, the Bess and Hartline argument is what makes someone like Stedman Bailey and Ryan Swope such good fits for this team. Both those players are like Bess and Hartline combined into one player.

 

Hartline can play any where on the field.

 

I don't recall him in the slot either. I think some posters are taking the "playing all 3 positions" thing a little to the extreme, no.

 

and just how often was he lined up other than on the right?

 

Last season? Probably not much. He spent a lot of time on the right side, IIRC.

 

huh?

 

Or, we didn't have the personnel to play the WR spot the way Philbin wants it played, hence the need at WR.

 

I would much rather see the Dolphins pay Bess three million a year, instead of paying Hartline the 5-8 million a year he is said to want in free agency. I have no idea why Bess has somehow become a player many people want to see traded. He can play one of the outside receiver positions if needed, but his strength is in the slot, where he is one of the best slot receivers in the entire NFL. He is a bargain at 3 million a year, yet Hartline would be vastly overpaid if he gets the type of money he wants in free agency.

I believe you keep Bess and let Hartline go to a team who is willing to meet his exorbitant salary demands.

 

I'm beginning to believe that Henne was never the problem and it should have been Hartline and Bess that should have been the ones under fire.

i never understood why fin fans were so high on those two alleged play makers

 

I already said I want Hartline back at 4.5 million.

Every year people say they want something and every year most of them get less. So I don't care how much someone wants to get paid because that is only close to reality for a small percentage of free agents.

Bess isn't that good of an outside player and being one of the best slot receivers in the NFL is like being the hottest girl in Buffalo.

Bess is over paid at 3 million, Hartline is good value at 4 million.