Thanks for the clips, I like Hartlines game but it seem like the slightest of contact he fall like a ton of bricks lol

 

Sooooo savvy on the perimeters. Gets ample seperation, knows how to sit in a zone. He's smart and doesn't give up on a play, you saw the one in dallas where the ball was uncatchable but he jumped and reached up anyway, drawing the interference. Not afraid to get hit, attacks the ball. I don't recall any drops. A lot to like.........Resign him now if possible, because I could see him topping 1000 w/ 5 Tds. Fantasy Sleeper alert !

 

I like hartline but dude is like a top, always falling over.

 

I think with the a more accurate QB Hartline has more YAC. I definitely think he is continuously improving and I enjoyed watching him last year.

I think in the new offense he will excel.

 

I've mentioned before that a few of the catches Hartline made last season could be nominated for catch of the year. He's going to have a much bigger role this coming season.

 

I'm definitely intrigued by what he could do in this offense. Hartline is a very smart guy who can easily learn all the WR positions and be moved around. He's a very solid route runner which helps cover his lack of top end speed. He's got what I call "deceptive" speed. Also seems to be able to find the holes against a zone defense to the point where it looks like the defender just plain doesn't see him. Plus he gives you effort on every play. I'd have to say virtually every one of those pass interferences was caused because he was putting in full effort trying to make a very tough catch. My only question is whether he can do it with the other sides top corner on him and whether his play picks up because of the lack of a Marshall and maybe being more comfortable with this style offense.

 

IMO his best catches are those tippytoe sideline catches.
He does seems to draw a lot of interference calls which indicates some respect from opponents.

 

double post. :sad:

 

double post

 

I've said from the beginning
Hartline is very much under utilized
& under rated. this is an NFL star on the rise.
expect him to explode onto the offense this year.

Hartline played QB in HS & ran track (hurdles) as well as played football in college. he is tough, fast, football smart & has excellent hands. I have always seen him as the potential #1 or go-to WR. this new offense suits him & this will be his year.

 

I think Rafeal has been saying this for awhile.

 

Problem with Bline is not his talent, it is the fact he is a bit prone to injuries and he disappeared for a couple of games in 2011.

Would not mind seeing him play in the slot, but also think the rook wr's or the holdovers have a better shot at making an impact from the slot. Most think DBess is mostly a slot Wr but a couple of yrs ago he lined up at other spots more often.

 

I think your right, which would make us in agreement & this wouldn't be the first time we found ourselves in agreement...
he was also strong on Tannehill when many were expressing doubts.

 

ck watching your tape the first thought coming into my head was "Damn a white Chris Carter!"

 

Funny you say that GA, I went back and compared Cris Carter's yrs at OSU to BJ Cunningham's at MSU and they are surprisingly even on everything save for YPC avg, for example CC had 29 Td's, Cunningham 27.

 

Watching this video...the thing that stood out the most are the catches that should have been catches with alot more YAC. There are certainly a few I'd put on hartline, but alot of them were pretty bad ball placement. Getting it another 1-3 ft in a direction lets him keep running rather than stopping or slowing to go after the ball. Sure, you look for that in a WR, but yet - you have to wonder how much more some of these plays could have been.

Whats funny is seeing some of these in real time I was just happy for a catch or conversion. Now, I'm thinking **** that could have been 10 more yards!? haha. Funny how during the season its hard to evaluate whats going in a game vs just being happy ANYTHING is going on... at least for me as a fan and casual evaluator anyway.

Good collection of film, and I have to echo the above sentiments. Every time I've been impressed with Hartline it seemed to be a tip toe sideline catch. Would love to see him become a go to on the fade in the RZ. I think hes got the potential to become a real surgeon in coming down with those if the QB can put them up well.

 

Wow. those 2 catches against Buffalo at around 7:10 in that video. Unbelievable- forgot about how awesome those were. Wish the season started today!

 

as far as your somment...BS

As far as the video, he makes some great sideline catches for sure

 

Hartline seems to know where he is on the field very well he uses his size to his advantage. If he could stay upright after the catch more often his YAC would really improve.

Its been a good thing to have him on the team. Maybe his best is yet to be seen.

Thanks for the awsome clip CK. Ill fist pump you when I get to a real pc.

 

Cornbread. We just need another player to name Butter and it's on.

 

I think an important note is how many of those catches he's making are routes that our offensive coaches rely heavily on. A whole hell of a lot of what Brian Hartline was catching the ball on in that video is stuff that Jon Gruden and Ryan Tannehill are talking about here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO6UgIg1AU4#t=11m17s

 

Beaner would be racist. This would work.

 

Let me clarify a bit then - I'm not knocking his ability to generate the YAC. Really, I'm just intrigued by how many times he had to "go and get the ball" rather than grab it in stride. I guess its just that old argument of receiver vs qb and who has the bigger impact. What I do see is alot of great grabs in traffic, and alot of beautiful sideline grabs, wehther dancing of the feet or going over a defender. It seems like the "hartline topple" so many complain about comes when hes stretching out to grab something too far ahead or slightly behind him. Sure, some receivers could make the same grab and maintain balance or absorb contact better, but a lot of receivers fail to get those balls at all as well.

What I do remember of hartline last season, is that more often then not when I saw a mid to deep ball go up, I almost always expected it to be going to Hartline. Not that it says ANYTHING about his play... it just seemed like he was the most consistent to get open on those routes and give us a shot at those plays. What I wonder is if it was due to his route running, speed, and separation, or just because marshall and/or bess had others busy underneath? Not enough footage or angles to really decide in the reel above...

Generally speaking, I like what I see from him and think hes got potential...but as someone else said, he either wows or disappears. Can't tell if thats a lack of speed / seperation vs better corners or a result of game planning / QB play. Hopefully, its all the latter and we see some improvement this year regardless :)

 

Umm, okay... :no:

 

The Good: Great hands/feet, and great body control. Very smart. Good versus the press. Gets good separation. Adjusts extremely well when the ball is in the air.

The bad: Does he seem a bit slow off the line? Doesn't seem very naturally 'quick', and to compensate, he plays a little out-of-control sometimes.

But, that's just me nit-picking. I really like the guy.

 

If he's on a smart phone with a program like taptatalk, he can't fist pump.

 

I highly disagree. He is very quick, which is why he is so good at getting open.

 

It was a joke... 'fist pump'... :wink2:

 

My bad.

But you are really, really, really, really old and live in Nashville, so its not a stretch to think you didn't understand new technology......:lol:

 

Taptatalk 2 he can, only it still says thanks, not fist pump.

 

Ok... I highly disagree right back. :tongue2:

When I think of 'quick' players, I think of Davone Bess or Reggie Bush, not Brian Hartline. Maybe that's just me.

However, WRs can also get open by running a good route, using their body properly, and making a good adjustment to the ball. Hartline does all that very well. Again, I'm nit-picking, but I just don't see him as a particularly 'quick' player.

 

I'm a senior software developer, and I supervise 9 other developers in my department... I know technology like you wouldn't believe. :wink2:

 

Look at the tape again. I would put Hartline's quickness up and beyond Davone Bess. Watch the reverse play, he cuts on a dime and then explodes up the middle. He couldn't do that without really good quickness. Also notice all of the out routes. He cannot make those cuts unless he is really quick. In fact his quickness is how he is able to be a deep threat. His ability to start and stop, and then start again is a move he is able to do because he is really quick.

If you like combine numbers, his quickness numbers were either the best or 2nd best of the combine for wide receivers.

In fact, your definition of what he does is a perfect description of Davone Bess.

 

I've long thought Hartline's that guy. Looking forward to him getting the chance. I also think there's a good chance they find at least one more in the group they've assembled. Bess, Matthews, Cunningham, Gates. Maybe even Moore or Chris Hogan. Thanks for the video CK.

 

Brian Hartline

Combine Results

Height: 6015
Weight: 195
40 Yrd Dash: 4.52
20 Yrd Dash: 2.61
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.12
3-Cone Drill: 6.65

Pro Day Results

Dates: 03/13/09
Height: 6015
Weight: 195
40 Yrd Dash: 4.49
20 Yrd Dash: 2.56
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Davone Bess

Combine Results

Height: 5097
Weight: 194
40 Yrd Dash: 4.64
20 Yrd Dash: 2.61
10 Yrd Dash: 1.53
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 12
Vertical Jump: 31 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.27
3-Cone Drill: 6.97

Pro Day Results

Dates: 04/01/08
Height: 5097
Weight: 194
40 Yrd Dash: 4.60
20 Yrd Dash: 2.66
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 17
Vertical Jump: 32 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.28
3-Cone Drill: 7.15

Bush did not run any of the quickness drills at the Combine or Pro Day. I highlighted what are generally considered the quickness measurables. According to those Hartline would appear to be quicker than Bess. He seems to get quite a bit of separation on the field as well. That could be attributed to skilled route running and/or quickness. I don't find any support for the contention that Hartline is not as quick as Bess in the measurables or on the field.

 

If memory serves me right Hartline's 3 cone drill was the best among wide receivers and 2nd best in the draft. It has been a while, however I remember reading something like that in CK's review of the draft that year.