I concur

 

Hartline is definitely a keeper moving forward IMO, as well as a huge draft day success in the fourth round for Jeff Ireland or whoever drafted him.

 

1,000 yards and one touchdown.

He's a good player and I like him but we need more.

 

Nah, he wants Hart on the team as well, and imo understands his place in the system.

 

Obviously the objective finding that numbers of touchdown receptions tend to be random isn't known or hasn't been committed to memory here.

 

I wish Hartline would randomly catch more than 3 Tds some year. Preferably within the next four and for our team.

 

He really needs to dedicate himself in the weight room..he's got work to do on core and functional strength..

 

I'm glad Hartline got the milestone. I want him re-signed. However, we face the same issue with Hartline that we do with Sean Smith. Both guys are good players. They're good players to have on your team. IMO, they are guys that help you win football games and aren't just "depth" guys. They are contributors. The problem is that they aren't #1 guys. Yet, that's what they've been asked to do on our team. So, I fear that there agents see that and will expect they get paid like that. Due to the depth of WR talent that could hit the FA market, we may be able to get Hartline for a good price. I worry that Sean Smith may be leaving as our best CB player, or we'll have to grossly overpay for him. CB's always receive crazy cash in FA. Yet, because we've done a poor job of having anyone else stand out with him, or may have traded that player away, he's been our rock there. Can we afford to lose him and be in the same position we were in 2009? Again, goes back to being in the same damned place 3 years ago with the same GM making the picks that failed originally.

 

Ask your fellow mod Stringer Bell. He can give you a good rundown on what this kind of randomness means.

 

At least that one touchdown was pretty awesome.

 

I still don't know why people model football. Baseball, sure. But football is subject too many variables that I don't think make statistical analysis wise in certain situations.

Play calling by the offense, defense, crowd noise, physical attributes, shortened distance in the red zone, height, personnel, game time situations, etc. Just too much goes into a given football play imo. Based on efficency, we started the season near the top of the league. Now, we're middle of the road.

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Well hopefully this offseason he will get a chance to work out and not almost die due to complications

 

To use a baseball analogy, Brian Hartline would be a good lead-off hitter. He's fairly consistent. He's decently productive. But at the same time, it's like pinning your hopes to the lead-off hitter driving in the most runs when his job in actuality is to be the guy getting on base (moving the chains).

 

That's very good.

 

Congratulation to Hartline for his achievement. He is a very solid player. I just wish he could be overall a better player.

Good player to keep around, let us hope for a day when Brian Hartline is 3rd on the WR depth chart.

 

If you took Fasano's 5 TDs and gave them to Hartline, does it make any practical difference?

 

I was going to mention that. I wonder if that has had any impact.

 

I'm pretty sure some of those 1000 led to a Td or three. Even if it was another player who scored. He did some really good work along the sidelines that continued drives.

He will make a pretty darn good #2/3 Wr next season if the price is right. He should not be overpaid and thats for sure.

But yes, by all means, congrats to him. His season showed promise

 

No, those things happen to him, and are reflected in every other statistic kept, not just TDs.

 

No! Td's are only part of being a Wr but he does need to stop getting knocked down when the wind blows

 

Hartline has had a good season. he will do even better alongside that #1, playmaking, stretch-the-field wide receiver Ireland will get this offeason, right :lol:

 

DOLPHINS 1,000 YARD RECEIVER CLUB

1. Mark Clayton, 5 (1984, ’86, ’88, ’89, ’91)

2. Mark Duper, 4 (1983, ’84, ’86, ’91)

3. Irving Fryar, 2 (1993, ’94)

4. Brandon Marshall, 2 (2010, ’11)

5. Chris Chambers, 1 (2005)

6. O.J. McDuffie, 1 (1998)

7. Tony Martin, 1 (1999)

8. Brian Hartline, 1 (2012)



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/17/3145266/after-passing-1000-yards-brian.html#storylink=cpy

 

Wow.

 

Gotta pay him. Tannehill has timing with him. I'll take a thousand yard receiver any time.

By the way, I'll be the first one to admit that Marshall is at another level, but as much as it pains me to admit it, Hartline did indeed step up to be the 1,000 yard receiver after Ireland let Marshall go.

 

And someone, perhaps Ireland, drafted Hartline in the fourth round, which is a major steal.

 

It's a tough call, and I'm glad it's not mine. Hartline is going to want a good contract. Maybe he Deserves one too, but the tds is hard to ignore.

 

Yah he's a nice solid rotation player. If he will sign for Bess money I'd keep him while the team rebuilds at WR. I would be loathe to pay him at $5 million a season though...let him go for that.

 

And someone, perhaps Ireland, drafted Patrick Turner in the 3rd round the same year, who is a major bust. It's all relative.

Let's hope Jeff Ireland has a few moves that trump Brian Hartline move up his sleeve this offseason.

 

Well, yes and no, meaning he did top 1k yds and figures to maybe hit 1,200 yds.

He is however, not a dominant type of players at this point in his career, sort of the Miles Austin to Dez Bryant type more like.

Still you almost have to keep him.

 

People don't realize it most of the time CS.

Since Marino retired we have very little at Wr, Chambers had that one great yr then pfft, Marshall produced but not at a high production vs targets level.

 

He's not in the same zip code as either of those guys, talent wise.

 

Actually not really, because busts in the third round are the norm, whereas steals such as Hartline in the fourth very much are not.

 

If we took 11 TDs from James Jones and gave them to Hartline, and kept Fasano's at 5, would that make any difference? :shifty:

Fasano & Hartline are unrelated in this situation b/c no matter how you slice it, nothing can be said to rationalize 10 total receiving TDs and just 2 by our starters. The excuse would only be valid if we were in fact an efficient touchdown scoring offense, which 18.9 ppg isn't.

Fasano isn't taking away form Hartline's scoring potential nor redistributing the receiving TDs, especially when only 1 of Fasano's touchdowns has come from outside 10 yards which is where you'd expect to see more of from the WR. Heck, of our 5 receiving TDs outside 10 yards, only 1 came from a starting receiver. That's not by choice. It's not a result of intentional passing distribution. It's not efficiency. It's deficiency.


Here, let me give you 2 scenarios based on this below play since you're a stat guy:

• Skip to the 0:50 second mark where James Jones nabs an outstanding 32 yard TD over the defender on 2nd & 7.

[video=youtube;ZBfHcdJOO4o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBfHcdJOO4o[/video]

Scenario 1: WR makes this play for a 32 yard TD just as Jones did.
Scenario 2: WR does NOT make this play [like Hartline & Bess routinely don't], setting up 3rd & 7.

Now for the question. Based on the statistics involved, what are the chances in scenario 2 that an offense converts the subsequent 3rd & 7 to extend the drive and score a TD? In the above case, we know the Packers convert 61% of their redzone trips, but the redzone is 12 yards closer to the endzone, so the odds in this scenario are at least lower than 61%.

James Jones's playmaking ability converting this TD from the 32 gives the Packers 100% efficiency for the drive. If the TD wasn't converted, the probability would've immediately dropped significantly below 100%, so you can't say "Well what if we gave all 5 of Fasano's redzone TDs to Hartline". What about the drives that never reach the 20 and aren't converted into TDs b/c Bess & Hartline offer minimal at best scoring potential? An extra score here and there due to receivers making plays might not seem like much to some, but when we lose 3 games by a FG (2 of which in OT), one by 5 points, and one by 7 points, an extra TD here and there by a receiver making a play could be the very real difference between 6-8 and 8-6, and playoffs rather than no playoffs.

 

This couldn't be further from the truth if Dez had 6 broken fingers.