Broward Sheriff’s Office Deputies Association are pissed

"Fin D wrote:

The problem is they want the league and/or the organization to make it against the rules to exercise freedom of speech.

The police union is being antiAmerican because their little ***** feelings are hurt.

They want the Big Eared One to put an end to it.

There's no freedom of speech issue unless you find government action involved.

Frankly, I really wouldn't want a person to stand for the National Anthem only because he was compelled by his boss, though. They've made their feelings known - can't unring a bell.

Geez. Is it just me, or does this country get more galvanized every single day? Get tired of watching stupid people on the news every day - from the politicians all the way down to football players and cops.

"Serpico Jones wrote:

They want the Big Eared One to put an end to it.

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"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

Geez. Is it just me, or does this country get more galvanized every single day? Get tired of watching stupid people on the news every day - from the politicians all the way down to football players and cops.

Amen. I watch football to get away from all this bull****.

"smahtaz wrote:

If a police officer is opposed to civil rights, they need to find another line of work. End of story.

If a police officer is protecting players on a daily basis and gets protested on national TV for police brutality, then they certainly have a right to be pissed off. But then again, it said more than that....it said Metro-Dade police have died protecting NFL players.

"ckparrothead wrote:

That is not a protest. That is a strike. Except it is more insidious than a strike because they are pretending to still be on the job. It is the protect and serve wing of law enforcement deciding not to protect and serve people of their choosing based on political beliefs.

That does NOT qualify as a protest.

It's off duty side job work. Good for them. Anyone protesting during the national anthem is shameful to themselves, their teammates, the organization and us fans. Protest *insert your cause here* some other time rather than when we should ALL come together to honor our country.

It's not about their rights. No one is saying throw them in jail or have the government punish them. What we are saying is what they are doing is disrespectful. There is a place and time for everything. It's like them protesting at one of your family members funeral. Can they? Yes. Should they? Nope.. Show some class.. It's on the same level as Westboro Baptist Church protesting at a service members funeral.

"KeyFin wrote:

If a police officer is protecting players on a daily basis and gets protested on national TV for police brutality, then they certainly have a right to be pissed off. But then again, it said more than that....it said Metro-Dade police have died protecting NFL players.

Yeah, I wondered about that part. What player(s) were they talking about and what happened?

"KeyFin wrote:

If a police officer is protecting players on a daily basis and gets protested on national TV for police brutality, then they certainly have a right to be pissed off. But then again, it said more than that....it said Metro-Dade police have died protecting NFL players.

There you go again. Nothing in that statement referred to police dying protecting NFL players. But it certainly was anti-1st Amendment all the way.

"OkiePhin wrote:

It's off duty side job work. Good for them. Anyone protesting during the national anthem is shameful to themselves, their teammates, the organization and us fans. Protest *insert your cause here* some other time rather than when we should ALL come together to honor our country.

It's not about their rights. No one is saying throw them in jail or have the government punish them. What we are saying is what they are doing is disrespectful. There is a place and time for everything. It's like them protesting at one of your family members funeral. Can they? Yes. Should they? Nope.. Show some class.. It's on the same level as Westboro Baptist Church protesting at a service members funeral.

The police union wants the NFL/Dolphin organization to make it against the rules, meaning they think protesters should be punished if they do it.

That's antiAmerican.

Does the Deputies Association support bad policing? I thought that was the whole point of the players' protest.

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"MikeHoncho wrote:

Does the Deputies Association support bad policing? I thought that was the whole point of the players' protest.

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The hypocrisy of the people involved with this is stunning.

I guess I misunderstood what these protests were about, then. I apologize. I thought the players were protesting this nation because its an oppressively racist society where police are monsters who shoot defenseless black children for kicks. That's what comes across from the BLM protests. If I'm understanding correctly now, this isn't about saying this Nation is a racist-y racist place, rather, it's about police brutality in general.

"Agua wrote:

I guess I misunderstood what these protests were about, then. I apologize. I thought the players were protesting this nation because its an oppressively racist society where police are monsters who shoot defenseless black children for kicks. That's what comes across from the BLM protests. If I'm understanding correctly now, this isn't about saying this Nation is a racist-y racist place, rather, it's about police brutality in general.

They are protesting a racist society that employs a police force that is overall racist that also happens to be shooting unarmed people to death.

As I said, people who aren't racists don't like to be called racists. That includes every person in America, as well as police.

What I find kind of funny is that the very premise of any scripted, traditional ceremony is based upon providing a meditative moment in which you can pause, recall and quietly consider some deep and important aspect of your culture, religion, organization, etc.

Even if you stand for the flag, the idea of doing so is to take a moment and meditate on it's meaning. Demonstrators are therefore not doing anything else with these protests. They are taking the moment to meditate just like everyone else.

The reality of things like this is that if there is enough uproar about not standing, what happens is that the entire ceremony goes away. If you aren't willing to accept these players topic of meditation, fact is, you're criticizing thought. The only alternative to freedom of thought is to do away with the ceremony entirely.

...and don't think it would be unprecedented. We edit our social customs continuously and today's corporate culture is great at "fixing" these problems with the attitude of, 'anything that causes turmoil is better left outside the gates.' The irony of this particular demonstration is that it's aimed at something which has been a part of sports for a long time, namely the use of the national anthem prior to games. Moreover, the NFL seems to enjoy it's connections to the military.

In the end, I'm not sure that Kaepernick thought it that much through but the thorn in the side of the NFL was positioned pretty nicely.

"Serpico Jones wrote:

Stills should stand. I know most people on here will disagree with this but I thought it was a big mistake to do what those guys did last week on 9/11. That's going to haunt them for a while.

I agree. Of all days, they had to do it on 9/11. Really?

"Fin D wrote:

The police union wants the NFL/Dolphin organization to make it against the rules, meaning they think protesters should be punished if they do it.

That's antiAmerican.

I see. So, if you were to walk into your office every morning and sing the Star Spangled Banner at the top of your lungs upon entering the door and your boss told you to cut it out, that would be anti-American?

"DolphinGreg wrote:

The only alternative to freedom of thought is to do away with the ceremony entirely.

...and don't think it would be unprecedented. We edit our culture all the time and corporate culture is great at "fixing" these problems with the attitude of, 'anything that causes turmoil is better left outside the gates.'

I think you're exactly right, and that is the ultimate goal, even though these players prolly don't realize it.

"Fin D wrote:

They are protesting a racist society that employs a police force that is overall racist that also happens to be shooting unarmed people to death.

Again, people who aren't racists don't like being called racists. I wonder how such a hateful racist place as the United States ever elected a black guy president two times, with 2 black attorney generals, and numerous other highest heads of vital federal agencies. Curious, that.

"Agua wrote:

Again, people who aren't racists don't like being called racists. I wonder how such a hateful racist place as the United States ever elected a black guy president two times, with 2 black attorney generals, and numerous other highest heads of vital federal agencies. Curious, that.

Racists don't like being called racist either.

Why are african americans targeted/pulled over/arrested/questioned at a rate disproportionate to their percentage of the population?

"Agua wrote:

I see. So, if you were to walk into your office every morning and sing the Star Spangled Banner at the top of your lungs upon entering the door and your boss told you to cut it out, that would be anti-American?

You are disrupting the work environment in your scenario. Sitting during the national anthem doesn't disrupt anything.

"Fin D wrote:

You are disrupting the work environment in your scenario. Sitting during the national anthem doesn't disrupt anything.

Really? Looks to cause a lot of disruption in the fan base and at the games.

"Fin D wrote:

Racists don't like being called racist either.

Why are african americans targeted/pulled over/arrested/questioned at a rate disproportionate to their percentage of the population?

Actually, a racist would prolly tell you they were a racist in a minute. But, that's immaterial to the fact that people don't like to be falsely accused of things. Police in their spare time are people too. I don't see why that should surprise you, or anyone.

I don't think black people are "targeted", as in, "hey, there's a black guy, let's go pull him over", but as to arrest and questioning, it is plain fact that black people commit far more crime on a per capita basis than any other group. I know, facts are racist, but go look at FBI national crime statistics. Are laws protecting property and prohibiting violence racist?

"Agua wrote:

Really? Looks to cause a lot of disruption in the fan base and at the games.

No it doesn't.

First of all, why are you or anyone looking around when the national anthem is being played. Not focusing on the flag, is as disrespectful as not standing. Secondly, not one single game has been been affected.