With Cleveland's move back to a 3-4 defense, Sheard looks to be the odd man out as he's better suited at 4-3 DE. He's had 15.5 sacks through his first 2 years with 8.5 last year while also forcing an impressive 5 fumbles. He fits the right side rush role opposite Wake, grew up in South Fla, and has a cap hit of only 1.7M over the next 2 years, so from a financial standpoint he would help counter a couple of the hefty contracts we pushed forward.
Sheard would be well worth our second 2nd round pick.
However, if I were GM I'd work out a deal involving Misi and a 5th or later to save us the 2nd; that way Cleveland fills their glaring hole at OLB without the position looming over their draft, and Olivier Vernon could appropriately fill Misi's shoes, which would now be possible with another true DE on the roster opening up such a move. IMO this makes all the more sense with Misi set to be a FA in 2014 and likely not being a priority re-signing. This could also expand our draft possibilities by allowing us to pick up either a top talent at inside linebacker or an upgrade at hybrid linebacker should they slide to us in the first two rounds. It wouldn't be necessary but it would be an option, or at the least we could grab a guy like Chase Thomas in the mid-late rounds to backup Vernon.
This also provides greater flexibility with how we approach defensive tackle in the draft b/c Sheard would allow Odrick to spend more time inside and make a permanent mover there if needed, which is also financially friendly b/c his 2014 cap hit of 765k is significantly less than what it would cost us to pay Starks or Soliai next year, so that's a second way to balance out the contracts we pushed forward. Maybe we draft a defensive tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round and give him this year to acclimate so that next year we're financially not forced to re-siging Starks nor Soliai.
Either way, Sheard would be a nice get for us and makes a lot of sense. Would rather have him for 2 years on the cheap than spend for Abraham.
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If we did that I would draft Jarvis Jones, and our defense would be sick. Would allow us to bring pressure from alot of different spots
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Odrick would be a good trade piece too since he is more of a 3-4 DE
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If we moved Odrick we would have.no depth.
I have no problem with Starks Solai with Odrick moving between de and dt. Would be perfect. No need to destroy high quality depth.ToddPhin likes this. -
Oh, and before anyone else *****es...link?
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Could see something potentially happening on draft day. Maybe a two player deal on our side - Soliai and Misi for Sheard and a pick, then draft Star? Maybe also look offensively, could Bess be a guy that potentially gets moved? Cleveland has young guys with hands issues, maybe they would value a vet with steady hands for a developing QB, be it Weeden or someone else.
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Right now Odrick is our starting RDE ... he is only a 3rd down option inside on pass rushing downs. If Odrick is considered our depth at DT, then we have no depth at DT
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On paper we're a 4-3 but we don't run a traditional 4-3 on the right side, so Odrick would actually be a poor trade piece and weaken us.
For all intents and purposes it's easier to think of us as running a mixed defense with a 4-3 on the left side with Wake lined up outside the right tackle as a traditional end and a 3-4 on the right with Odrick in more of a 34 end role and Misi as the hybrid linebacker paired with him. As we know, in a 3-4, the end isn't the pass rusher; the OLB is, so people need to change their mindset of what Odrick's role is and how we execute the right side. If we want an improved pass rush from the right side then it either needs to come from the hybrid linebacker or an addition like Sheard who can boost our nickel pass rush while rotating in with Wake to help keep him fresh.
Unless Kevin Coyle changes his defensive philosophy, one that's quite successful in the league right now, then fans need to get this notion out of their head that Miami needs to replace Odrick with a traditional 4-3 rush end b/c it's getting a little annoying with all due respect to everyone.Fin-Omenal likes this. -
I havent heard anything about Miami being interested in trading FOR a guy from Cleveland, rather vice versa.
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/14/4223446/browns-trade-rumors-jabaal-sheard-ahtyba-rubin
Didn't think anyone would need to ***** over common knowledge that Cleveland is switching to a 3-4 and that Sheard is a 4-3 end who doesn't fit.MrClean likes this. -
What ever you want to label our 4-3 defense, after watching Odrick in it for a full year he looked like a square peg in a round hole to me.
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I strongly disagree with this. Yeah, we lacked enough pass rush to where Odrick was asked to rush from the end spot at times, but outside of that he was a round peg in a round hole. I think you need to re-watch our games through a different mentality, one more consistent with how Coyle actually uses the position and runs our defense b/c it seems to me that you're the one trying to fit a square peg in a round hole by thinking we need a different type player to replace Odrick at RDE. In Coyle's defense he plays more of a 3-4 type role than a traditional 4-3 end, so I'm not sure why you feel he looked like a square peg in a round hole.
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Unless Coyle changes his system, Sheard would fill the need of nickel rush end, plus give Wake some breathers in base. There are enough snaps to go around based on the way Coyle mixes things up IMO. He'd also provide us better overall scheme flexibility by allowing us to start our nickel defense vs pass heavy teams, giving us a 4 man front of Wake - Starks - Odrick - Sheard.
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My eyes tell me different. Just like with Ansah ... you aren't going to convince me otherwise :)ToddPhin likes this.
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Jarvis Jones will be a Brown.
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Sheard doesn't have enough right side snaps I would be comfortable acquiring him to play the right side. He's got 35 snaps on that side in the last two years. Wake being a left side only guy means you have less flexibility in it.
I'd prefer John Abraham all things consideredsurferosa likes this. -
Very good and thought out idea,PS.
Good job. Hope they can come through with a deal like that.ToddPhin likes this. -
The people mentioning depth also seem to forget the addition of Vaughn
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I don't understand why so many are quick to chastise Odrick, he has flexibility along the DL and is an outstanding run stuffer. Also has athleticism too drop back in a zone blitz etc.
He only costs 1.9M and who knows how much better of a DE he will be at 20lbs lighter.
None of us are thrilled our 1st round pick isn't playing like JPP, but that shouldn't cloud his value as a member of our defense.Canad-phin, Anonymous, Sceeto and 4 others like this. -
Sheard has performed in the NFL and is still very young. He would likely be better than some of the options in 2. Not opposed to such an idea.
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Sheard was a beast in college, I remember he was a one man wrecking crew against the Canes his senior year when he won big east dpoy. honestly if he was coming out this year I think he'd be a late 1st rounder, that 2011 draft was pretty stacked. this would be a great pickup, I'd have no problem giving up a 2nd for him.
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Davone Bess would be a nice trade piece for the Browns.
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I'd send Davone Bess for Jabaal Sheard no questions asked.
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Has anything good ever come out of a trade with the Cleveland Browns?
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The World Football League star?
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No way I'd prefer an aging Abraham over a young ascending Sheard. As for his playing LDE, you only need to look at the Browns DE situation to understand IMO the reasoning behind it. Of their DEs, he was by far the best run defender at this point in each of their respective careers, so they chose to use him across from the strong side of the offensive formation rather than Rucker or Parker. It made for a better overall situation to use Sheard at LDE and Rucker/Parker at RDE, rather than Sheard just not being able to play RDE. To have him at RDE would have forced them to use Rucker or Parker at LDE, which would have been a less desirable overall alignment. That's how I see it, but then again I could be wrong...
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I like Jabaal Sheard but John Abraham is better than Sheard as we sit here today, and Sheard seems to be one of those guys who has resisted moving over from left to right side, much like Cam Wake. I would therefore pass.
But the rumor has it Sheard isn't the only one available. Supposedly Ahtyba Rubin is available in trade. That would have my interest. Good player. Both Miami's defensive tackles have contracts that expire after 2013, and there's no significant 3rd tackle behind them depending on what you feel about Kheeston Randall.
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Considering I am the only person who brought this up and is discussing this, I am assuming I am the "so many people" ... where do you see any chastisement? I said he would be a good swap for a team with a 3-4 then our 4-3 and no where did I chastise him. You guys need to read what people are saying and quit implying meanings that aren't there.
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Written during his rookie year:
http://www.ohio.com/news/top-storie...roach-on-left-side-of-defensive-line-1.241558
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Sounds to me like you're maintaining a conclusion in the face of evidence rather than gathering evidence to come to a conclusion. Just my opinion.
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