BUILD MIAMI's 2014 starting Offensive Line.....Let's see what you can do!

"vt_dolfan wrote:

I think after 2013, if you never realized the importance of an offensive line, you do now. In my opinion, we have one start in place for 2014 on the Offensive Line. Mike Pouncey. That is it. So, given that....below are the 2014 Offensive Line Free Agents, AND...the top ranked draft picks for the Offensive Line. Maybe there is a trade you think we can make. The Challenge is to put together the best potential offensive line for the 2014 season. Keep in mind our 2014 salary cap space. Also...what kind of scheme would you choose...man or zone.

Offensive Tackles

Eric Winston ARI
Jeremy Trueblood ATL
Mike Johnson ATL
Michael Oher BAL
Thomas Welch BUF
Jordan Gross CAR
Bruce Campbell CAR
Byron Bell CAR R
J’Marcus Webb CHI
Jonathan Scott CHI
Anthony Collins CIN
Oniel Cousins CLE
Rashad Butle r CLE
Winston Justice DEN
Jason Fox DET
Marshall Newhouse GB
Ryan Harris HOU
Jeff Linkenbach IND
Sam Young JAX
Cameron Bradfield J AX R
Branden Albert KC F
Bryant McKinnie MIA
Tyson Clabo MIA
Will Svitek NE
Zack Strief NO
David Diehl NYG
Austin Howard NYJ
Jared Veldheer OAK
Tony Pashos OAK
Khalif Barnes OAK
Guy Whimper PIT
Breno Giacomini SEA
Rodger Saffold STL

Guards

Mike Gibson ARI
Travelle Wharton CAR
Garry Williams CAR
Chris Scott CAR
Matt Slauson CHI
Eben Britton CHI
Mike Pollak CIN
John Greco CLE
Shawn Lauvao CLE
Brian Waters DAL
Zane Beadles DEN
Dylan Gandy DET
Wade Smith HOU
Mike McGlynn IND
Joe Reitz IND R
Jon Asamoah KC
Geoff Schwartz KC
Ricky Henry KC R
Richie Incognito MIA
John Jerry MIA
Danny Watkins MIA R
Charlie Johnson MIN
Seth Olsen MIN
Tyronne Green NE
Kevin Boothe NYG
Willie Colon NYJ
Vladimir Ducasse NYJ
Andre Gurode OAK
Chad Rinehart SD
Rich Ohrnberger SD
Paul McQuistan SEA
Jason Spitz SEA
Lemuel Jeanpierr SEA R
Chris Williams STL
Shelley Smith STL
Jamon Meredith TB
Rob Turner TEN

Centers

Joe Hawley ATL
Jeff Byers CAR
Roberto Garza CHI
Alex Mack CLE
Ryan Cook DAL
Dan Koppen DEN
Dominic Raiola DET
Evan Dietrich-Smith GB
Brad Meester JAX
Joe Berger MIN
Ryan Wendell NE
Brian De la Puente NO
Jim Cordle NYG
Fernando Velasco PIT
Cody Wallace PIT
Jonathan Goodwin SF
Ted Larsen TB
Chris Spencer TEN

DRAFT

Jake Mathews - OT Texas A&M
Taylor Lewman - OT Michigan
Antonio Richardson - OT Tenn
Cameron Irving - OT FSU
Cyrus Kouandio - OT Alabama
La'el Collins - G/OT LSU
Zack Martin - G/OT Notre Dame
Greg Robinson - OT Auburn
Cyril Richardson - G/OT Baylor
James Hurst - OT NC
Gabe Jackson - Miss State - G
Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA - G
David Yankey - G/OT Stanford
Tre Jackson - FSU
Anthony Steen - G - Florida
Travis Swanson - C - Arkansas
Bryan Stork - C - FSU
Hroniss Grasu - C - Oregon
Weston Richberg - C - Colorado State
James Stone - C - Tenn

LT- Robinson from Auburn, LG- Let Sam Brenner and Dallas Thomas duke it out, RG- Resign John Jerry for depth, pursue Roger Saffold from the Rams, who has moved to guard from tackle and is now playing better, let them duke it out, RT- Draft or Free Agent, don't care. No RT's in the first though, please.

Alright, without too much thought.

LT: Resign Mckinnie to a one year deal.

LG: Give Brenner a chance to start, however draft a mid round guy to battle. Not sure who, I havdnt done my research yet.

C: Sign Alex Mack

RG: Pouncey to RG

RT: Resign Clabo. Draft someone to challenge as at LG.

I think you can run any scheme at least fairly effectively that way. Minimal turnover while giving yourself a chance to improve via draft.

QB - Ryan Tannehill
RB - Adrian Peterson
The Rest: Profit...

I don't think we should acquire any more FA linemen. Invest heavily in the position early in the draft. I would draft 3 linemen with our first 4 picks.

"Alex44 wrote:

Alright, without too much thought.

LT: Resign Mckinnie to a one year deal.

LG: Give Brenner a chance to start, however draft a mid round guy to battle. Not sure who, I havdnt done my research yet.

C: Sign Alex Mack

RG: Pouncey to RG

RT: Resign Clabo. Draft someone to challenge as at LG.

I think you can run any scheme at least fairly effectively that way. Minimal turnover while giving yourself a chance to improve via draft.

Originally when I saw Mack was a free agent I wanted to sign him and move pouncey however if it ain't broke don't fix it. Pouncey has been the best center in the league and idk if its worth playing him at guard since he really hasn't played guard at the nfl level.

"Fame wrote:

I don't think we should acquire any more FA linemen. Invest heavily in the position early in the draft. I would draft 3 linemen with our first 4 picks.

normally, I'd be okay with that (although 2/4 would be a choice for me), with our proven track record of weak draft at OL, I'd rather shell out the money for 1 high priced Oline (tackle) and pickup a couple of mid-level guys to compete. then draft 1 or 2 more to also compete.

Dallas Thomas developing would be huge.

"Fame wrote:

I don't think we should acquire any more FA linemen. Invest heavily in the position early in the draft. I would draft 3 linemen with our first 4 picks.

I agree completely. Shore up the line with cheap, young, athletic talent. Versus overpriced and or past their prime FA's

"Marino1384 wrote:

Originally when I saw Mack was a free agent I wanted to sign him and move pouncey however if it ain't broke don't fix it. Pouncey has been the best center in the league and idk if its worth playing him at guard since he really hasn't played guard at the nfl level.

I'm pretty sure Pouncey would actually be a much better guard than center, which is scary.

What this year has shown is that it's more important to have an OL that works well together than to have a collection of high picks on the OL. Cogs would be considered a ton better than Breuner and even a (non-quitting) Martin would have been at least as good as a broken down Mckinnie, but Mckinnie and Breuner play together far better than Martin and Cogs.

I would re-sign everybody but Jerry then I'd draft a T in the first (maybe Richardson, Tenn?). I'd draft another G in the top 5 rounds. I'd bring in FAs at G and T (no idea who), but they wouldn't be break the bank types. They'd be brought in to compete. My expectation is that the only replacement is RG unless the 1st round T is just so good right out of the gate to keep off the field. This coaching staff has shown a very slow trigger when it comes to trusting young players so I don't expect a ton of turnover unless players just don't re-sign. And IMO the OL as constructed could probably be as good as they've been since our winning streak started for another year or so. My main goal would be to add developing talent that can be brought along slowly. That's generally how the best OLs are built.

"Alex44 wrote:

I'm pretty sure Pouncey would actually be a much better guard than center, which is scary.

I am just hoping, Pouncey wont have GUARDS watching him 24/7 based on Hernandez mess!

"Fame wrote:

I don't think we should acquire any more FA linemen. Invest heavily in the position early in the draft. I would draft 3 linemen with our first 4 picks.

i think having rookies at the bookends is a terrible move. Which means Jeff Ireland will do it.

I think Bryant McKinnie played well immediately, before Richie Incognito ever got suspended.

McKinnie has played next to Richie Incognito (NE), Nate Garner (CIN, TB, NYJ) and Sam Brenner (SD, CAR, NE). PFF gave him a +1.0 in the first NE game next to Incognito, a +4.8 in the three games he's played next to Nate Garner, and a -8.9 in the three games he's played next to Sam Brenner.

I agree that offensive line chemistry is important but disagree with the conclusion that McKinnie and Brenner play better than McKinnie and Incognito or McKinnie and Garner. If anything, playing next to a guy as inexperienced as Brenner is really hurting Bryant McKinnie.

It's really about both the individual talent and the chemistry. We saw IMMEDIATELY when Bryant McKinnie got here that even though he might not be a very good left tackle on a league-wide basis, he was far and away better than Jonathan Martin. It wasn't even close. The difference was noticeable and immediate.

At the same time, "Bad McKinnie" is more likely to show up when he's got to bail the water of an undrafted rookie like Sam Brenner constantly. At the same time, Sam Brenner would have been a lot worse in that latest NE game if he hadn't had a veteran like Bryant McKinnie to help him along. That's where the chemistry is important.

When it comes to the offensive line, you're usually talking about the worst athletes in the game...so the differentiation is relatively small from one guy to the next. You draft high when you see talent that actually does differentiate. I think Mike Pouncey is a good example. His movement ability makes him unique and highly differentiated from the crowd at his (relatively low impact) position.

I think at tackle is where you're more likely to see the differentiation that could translate a lot more on the football field. That's where you're going after a Taylor Lewan or Cyrus Kouandjio, someone like that all the way up in the 1st round.

I think a good mix of veterans and young people is probably the way to go here. I don't think of that as reinventing the wheel or anything. It makes sense.

"Deerless Dice wrote:

i think having rookies at the bookends is a terrible move. Which means Jeff Ireland will do it.

It's worked for the Bears this year

You've got to have tackles you can put on an island, and you've got to have guys who can hit all the blocks on outside zone plays. It's fairly evidence this coaching staff is going to plow forward regardless if they've got the players to do those things or not, so I think you've really got to sit down and expend the resources.

I think you've got to look at signing Brandon Albert or Jordan Gross at Left Tackle, and then taking a hard look at the guys on the roster.

You know Mike Pouncey fits. You know Sam Brenner fits. If you think you've figured out wtf was wrong with Tyson Clabo that has improved late in the season, I think you see if you can re-sign him for another year more cheaply.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think at tackle is where you're more likely to see the differentiation that could translate a lot more on the football field. That's where you're going after a Taylor Lewan or Cyrus Kouandjio, someone like that all the way up in the 1st round.

I don't think there's any way in hell this team could draft Taylor Lewan after the Richie Incognito thing.

The guy might be Richie and Jake Long's test tube love child clone.

Id like to sign Geoff Schwartz, Roger Saffold and Jared Veldheer, draft a RT. Schwartz and Saffold have had under the radar good years across the board. No sacks allowed by either and good run blocking and pass blocking metrics. Veldheer is coming off a serious triceps tear so I think he may get less then he really should to be honest. The biggest thing is whether Oakland franchises him or not. Hes a much better player then Albert or Gross in my opinion and younger. Resign McKinnie as a swing tackle. Zane Beadles would be a nice depth signing

LT: Veldheer (McKinnie)
LG: Schwartz (Beadles)
C: Pouncey (Brenner)
RG: Saffold (Beadles)
RT: Draft pick (maybe 2 of them...Plus McKinnie)

"MIASportsFan wrote:

It's worked for the Bears this year

The Bears right side is composed of rookies, but their left tackle is the former Saint Jermon Bushrod

I would not be surprised in Roger Scaffold at LT is the FA and the drafted OT is later round developmental guy.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I don't think there's any way in hell this team could draft Taylor Lewan after the Richie Incognito thing.

The guy might be Richie and Jake Long's test tube love child clone.

I think I know what you're referring to about Lewan and while I'm not keen on dismissing it, I think it's a bit early in the process to just start wiping guys off the draft board because of an ugly incident that boils down literally to a he-said/she-said thing.

I don't see Veldheer leaving the Raiders. Oakland has a ton of cap room and they need to spend it on somebody.

Not saying this is what I'd want, but I could easily see Miami going into 2014 with a line of:

LT - Dallas Thomas
LG - Sam Brenner
C - Mike Pouncey
RG - John Jerry
RT - Tyson Clabo/Nate Garner

Ideally, I'd like to sign Branden Albert and see a line look like:

LT - Branden Albert
LG - Dallas Thomas/Sam Brenner
C - Mike Pouncey
RG - John Jerry/Sam Brenner/John Urschel
RT - JuWuan James/Tyson Clabo

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think I know what you're referring to about Lewan and while I'm not keen on dismissing it, I think it's a bit early in the process to just start wiping guys off the draft board because of an ugly incident that boils down literally to a he-said/she-said thing.

There's the part where he may have called up the woman whom accused his roommate of rape and threatened to rape her himself, but then there's also the part where he got pissed because his team was getting waxed in a rivalry game and repeatedly face-masked opposing players after the whistle blew. Both of those things are pretty Incognito-like.

LT-Cedric Ogbuehli LG-Brenner/Thomas C-Pouncey RG-Zach Martin RT-Billy Turner

young and athletic, big and slow need not apply.