I agree. Everyone talks so highly about him and what a pleasure it is to work for him or talk to him, etc. He wants to win so badly, and is willing to give whatever. How can you not want him as an owner?

 

Because he hires morons to do his football work.

The guy doesn't know anything about football. So he hires people he thinks know something about it.

He forced Shula out because Johnson was available and everyone was screaming for him. (Dont think Shula retired not of his own will? Watch his farewell speech. He did NOT want to leave)

He let Jimmy Johnson appoint Wanny so that JJ would stay one more year.

He hired an unproven rookie QB in Saban just because everyone else wanted him.

He hired Cam Cameron, a rookie unproven HC because he was an offensive coordinator.

We need an owner who is smart enough not just with business, but with football, so he can put the right people in charge, and knows how to make change when we need it. Wayne is such a "nice guy" he wont fire anyone, and rather than firing Cam and Randy, he'd instead sell the team.

What a bone head.

 

I don't know. If his heart is not in it he needs to sell....

 

As opposed to running the team himself, interfering with things he has no clue about?

You people who want a Jerry Jones-style owner baffle me.

 

Or an Al Davis or at least early into his ownership of the Skins, Daniel Snyder...

In contrast Wayne has been the type of owner that coaches and front office people dream of. You can question some of the decisions that were made about who would handle the day to day operations of the team bur Wayne is a great owner.

 

An accurate depiction of this so called owner!!

 

It doesn't have to be the polar opposite. You know that.

Huizenga is not a good owner. Who cares how much of a dream it is to work with him? We are a terrible team and he is part of it. Wannstedt was a nice guy too.

Look at the Steelers, who just recently overtook the Dolphins for most wins since 1970 (or are about to.) Thats who you want as an owner. Not someone who is unable to get the pieces together to have a winning team.

What good are stadium renovations if the team is playing the way they are?

 

There is no such thing as a partially meddling owner, just as there's no such thing as being partially pregnant. An owner's hands are either off or on. People who believe there are shades of gray here don't understand ownership.

There are two types of owners. An owner is either like Wayne Huizenga, who is hands-off, or Jerry Jones, Al Davis, and Dan Snyder, all of whom are hands on, to put it politely.

People who want to see Wayne go because he isn't involved with the day-to-day football operations by definition want a Jerry Jones-style owner.

What good is trying to get public funding for a new stadium if the team is playing the way it is?

 

Some fans have NO CLUE! Wayne is a PERFECT OWNER! He puts his money where his mouth is. All of his decisions when bringing in a new Coach or GM are always applauded by the fans. Then when they don't turn out great the same "fans" start crying and complaining and calling for blood. Did Cam not look like a great pick last year? Did Saban not look like a great pick a few years ago? Did JJ not look like a great pick?

The last thing I want is an owner who is meddling in football decisions he is not qualified to make.

 

How many Super Bowls has Jerry Jones brought to Dallas?
They are 12-1 right now.
Damn,I'd hate a owner like that.

 

How many SB has Jerry Jones been to compared to Miami. Even Al Davis has been to a Superbowl recently. We cant even sniff a freakin AFC championship.

 

Sorry, but that's hardly proof of success of the ownership model of Jerry Jones and Al Davis.

Jerry Jones did not take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. Jimmy Johnson, riding on the windfall that was the Herschel Walker trade, built that team. After Johnson left, the Cowboys did nothing with the same core of talent that they won three Super Bowls with. The current team is the result of having Bill Parcells around for four years, plus extreme luck in signing an undrafted free agent by the name of Tony Romo.

Al Davis likewise is not responsible for building the Oakland team that went to the Super Bowl. He is, however, responsible for its current state after the man who built the Raiders into a Super Bowl team left for greener pastures. (And beat the Raiders.) Davis is responsible for cutting 3rd round pick Quentin Moses before Moses had even played a down in the NFL. Brilliant move that was.

Daniel Snyder approaches free agency the same way I approached Toys R Us when I was six years old. He has no compulsion trading draft picks for players whose names he's heard of before, regardless of whether or not they belong in his team's plans, salary cap, or playbooks.

Enough with the love affair with meddlesome owners. They fail far more than the owners who mind their business.

 

No kidding. I almost busted up and hit the floor in a seizure of laughter when someone tried to knock Jerry Jones.

Frankly, I think that sounds good so fans thrill to spit it out. "Jerry Jones no good, blah blah blah." Meanwhile, give me that type of owner 10,000 times above a clueless wall flower who doesn't get involved. Jerry Jones is a football guy who played at Arkansas and knows the game. A guy like that has proper priorities and losing is not tolerated. Naturally you're going to bungle some decisions but he gets the bulk of them right, completely unlike Huizenga or our organization's recent history.

It reminds me of Jones hiring Barry Switzer. Many clueless fans still knock Switzer. In fact, opinion of Barry Switzer is a great litmus test of football knowledge. Anyone who knocks him fails miserably. Switzer understood the fundamentals of winning football. Enough that he was 5-0 in bowl games against legends like Paterno, Osborne and Bowden. Osborne was completely thwarted by Switzer in the '70s and '80s and it wasn't until Switzer was gone that Osborne won titles and became a legend in his own right. Hardly a coincidence.

Switzer kept the Cowboys at top level by insuring the proper emphasis. I keep records on the most vital stats and those Cowboy teams had ideal balance. No doubt a different coach would have unnecessarily tweaked some aspects and Dallas would have suffered. Winning a title in '95 was an extremely rare accomplishment, just two seasons removed from the previous championship. That's typically a down season for an NFL team. Only two other coaches have managed it, Halas in the '40s with the Bears and Belichick earlier this decade ('01 Patriots winning again in '03).

I'm not a baseball guy but Steinbrenner is another involved owner, isn't he? Obviously a pathetic recipe.

 

That means Jerry hires the right people,at the right time.
He also learns from his mistakes.

 

You're really flailing here. Jerry Jones hired Jimmy Johnson. Newsflash: that's a part of his legacy. He hired a young vibrant Johnson who was desperate for success at the highest level. Same with Al Davis, hiring coaches like a young John Madden.

I'm not going to let you get away with selective misleading dissection of those owners. Al Davis took a chance on a supposedly washed up Jim Plunkett and was rewarded with two Super Bowl lopsided wins. Plunkett was always a terrific downfield passer and that's what you need in the NFL. Davis was patient in the late '70s and eventually was rewarded by Plunkett.

How is it luck to sign Romo? LOL. If we signed him, I guarantee posters here would be crediting Spielman, or whomever. And rightfully so.

You try to downplay the current Cowboys by saying Parcells coached them for 4 years. Did Parcells show up off the street, knocking at the door while homeless and begging for work?

I thought Jones pursued him and hired him. Silly me.

Later in life it's natural to be satisfied with success and not be as astute and sharp as you once were. That's undoubtedly a case with Al Davis recently, in his late 70s. Some of the moves have been bizarre. But I attribute that to old age and not a meddling owner. You've got to understand situational influence and not merely toss a blanket to conveniently fit your thesis.

Daniel Snyder is not a football guy, unlike Jerry Jones or Al Davis, who coached the Raiders in the early '60s.

 

D.Snyder and Wayne are the same...just one meddles,the other doesn't.
Both spend money unwisely.

 

It means nothing of the sort. The one positive lesson we can draw from Jerry Jones' ownership is that you need to give your football operations time to develop. Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first year, and was retained.

Don't infer evidential support for having a meddlesome owner where none exists.

 

There's nothing selective or misleading about what I posted. You're posting out of the belief that past success negates chronic present failure. It does not. Al Davis is the owner of a franchise that was very good for a long time, but is now the primary reason why it is not a good franchise. What happened in the 1970s does not apply to what has happened in the 2000s. You, being a Dolphins fan, should be painfully aware of that fact.

It wasn't signing Romo that was the lucky part; he was an undrafted free agent, he was going to sign regardless. Luck entered in when Romo turned out to be a franchise QB. Dallas got lucky the same way New England got lucky when it turned out some 6th round QB from Michigan was actually very good at this whole NFL thing.

Now I'm convinced you have no idea what my point was. In no way did I downplay the current Cowboys team. I downplayed the idea that Jerry Jones is responsible for the current team. He is not. You think that Jones's hiring of Parcells means that he is responsible for their current success: incorrect. Jones made several personnel moves without even consulting Parcells beforehand, let alone asking if the move would fit in with what Parcells was trying to do.

Why bother spending all that time, effort, and money to lure Parcells out of retirement if he was going to be overridden on major personnel decisions anyway?

Silly me, believing those job titles actually have meaning.

 

Come on. It wasn't luck. It was good player development.

You can't even give them that?

 

Finding a franchise QB as an undrafted free agent is the very definition of luck. Even surefire QB prospects need development to become NFL-ready, so claiming that Jerry Jones is somehow responsible for personally grooming is doubly dubious. Wordplay intended.

 

Dallas has been up and up since the mid 90's whereas we have been down since Wayne bought the team. There is no comparison between the 2. Jerry Jones is a good owner, Wayne is not. Its just that simple.

 

You have an odd definition of the term down. Wayne has been full owner since 1994. The problems we're experiencing now are due to Wannstedt's inability to correctly handle the draft, both in terms of retaining/acquiring picks and actually selecting talent.

An argument can be made that Huizenga should have fired Wannstedt earlier, but it would be an engagement of hindsight and would make no allowance for the fact that Wannstedt is the last Dolphins head coach with a winning record.

Enough with the "Wayne sucks" stuff and the simultaneous Jerry Jones worship. The Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Eagles, and Chargers all have owners who do not interfere with their football operations--and all are better teams and organizations because of it.

 

How is it hindsight when people were screming for wanny to be fired 2 years prior to him actually BEING fired. Thats not hindsight.

Now down, in the 14 years he has been full owner we have only 2 Divisional titles and 0 AFC championship Appearences (despite losing the championship the year before to the Bills.) We have had 6 Head Coaches. We have set new franchise records in longest run without a playoff appearence (ongoing at 6 seasons including this one), Fewest Wins in a season (Will be this season), and Most loses in a season (Again, will be this season).

Willing to spend money on the wrong decison is NOT better than being unwilling to spend money on the right one. Both are Equally bad as you end up with the WRONG choice.

 

What a terrific day that would be. We might luck out and find someone that could finally treat this franchise as a football factory instead of a money making odyssey.

I've got nothing against Huizenga. He has followed the same winning blueprint that made him rich with the Panthers and Marlins. Inject money in the enterprise, and once it's at an all-time high, coming off a championship run, sell it. Alas, this time, he couldn't buy Bobby Bonilla, or find a quality horse like John Vanbiesbrouck, to pull the team thru.

This time, he hedged his bets on a fellow named Nick Saban and was hoping, this being year 3, that we would be playing an all important December game tomorrow. Instead we're looking for our first win.

Have a look at the latest champions. They all have a different power structure than our ''Dolphins Enterprises Inc.''. Instead of having a Joe Bailey type CEO overseeing all the day to day operations, and as Don Shula said, ''evaluating the elevators'', you have an owner meddling in the day to day operations of the football teams.

- Robert Kraft is on the job and around the team every day. He obviously defers to Pioli and BB but was in the boardroom on draft day. One could argue that he's not meddlesome, but if I have the same definition of meddlesome than you do, he certainly is, without going on a ego trip a la Al Davis.

- Dan Rooney still talks about not overuling his personnel department in '83 to take the local kid, Marino. He made sure, as he says in his book, to steer the conversation towards Big Ben, when the subject came out prior to the '01 draft.

- Indy owner Jim Irsay, was named general manager in '84 one month after the Colts moved to Indianapolis and assumed day-to-day management of the team after his father's stroke in 1995. He knows a thing or two about the game, as witnessed by his hiring of Bill Polian.

- Malcom Glazer had his footprints all over the SB run during the Gruden era. Today, his sons Bryan and Joel are very much involved in the day to day organization of the team.

In his defence, I can somewhat understand that he is reticent to be a more hands on owner football wise, considering the fact that he interviewed Phil Savage, Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf, and eventually settled on Rick Spielman for the GM job.

 

^^^ Or we could wind up with a Jeffrey Loria type of owner....

 

nick is a smart guy, one to whose opinions a lot of folks here should give weight.

 

A franchise is exponentially more interesting if it has an involved owner. I should have emphasized that in my previous posts. No guarantee you're going to be more or less successful so you might as well be entertaining.

Huizenga lost me forever when he insisted on pouring tens of millions into a dump like Dolphin Stadium. That's the epitome of inept handicapping. It's a glorified neutral site and no amount of dollars wasted on level 2 amenities will change the basics.

A new owner who rescued the Orange Bowl and rebuilt a modern version on that site while imploding Dolphin Stadium would accomplish more with that astute combo decision than if he hired the best coach and GM of all time.

 

I'm not one that is in to bashing Wayne.
Overall, I think he's a great owner.

He certainly made a big mistake in the Wanny tenure but that was on the referral of Jimmy J.

His other hires made all the sense in the world but came crashing down due to some very odd circumstances no one could have seen coming.

The stadium issue you bring up though I can agree with.