It seems really likely that Burke is gone. The numbers for the defense this season have been some of the worst in team history.

 

Play taps here:

 

hopefully everyone's last 2 games

 

Burke, though, defended his schemes, saying nothing “we do is unsound.” “I challenge anyone to prove otherwise in that sense,” said Burke, who is in his second season in his current job.

This part here alone should get him fired. I'd even be okay if he claimed injuries have forced him to play coverage and schemes to compensate, but to claim his defensive plans are sound? Nope.

If it is the players making mistakes (the Lions game says 'Hello') then it goes back to coaching and discipline -which Burke seems to have failed to provide (which also goes back on Gase allowing that situation).

 

It's always the players' fault with both Gase and Burke. They're either too dumb or not talented enough to learn and run the awesome plays/schemes/gameplans that they come up with every week.

And then Gase and Burke either aren't smart enough to change things up and go with what the players actually are good at, or either they aren't smart enough to realize that there's a problem in the first place. Or else they just don't care, and would rather fail their way than succeed by other means, which is always possible.

 

That's pretty damning right there.

 

He has had a good bit of injuries, but at the end of the day Burke just isn't getting things done. Unless we somehow go on a Super Bowl run I think his time in Miami has come to an end.

 

Water is wet.

 

Looking at the reserve/injured list I see:

William Hayes
Vincent Taylor
Chase Allen
Cordrea Tankersley

Off the top of my head, I remember McCain and X where injured and came back. There may be others...

Not defending Burke, but looking at this list, does he deserve the same benefit of the doubt Gase is getting regarding the injuries?

 

Absolutely not! Hayes, Tank and Howard were very important and we also basically have 3 rookies starting as well. But it's hard to put anything on the young guys since they all had a pretty good year. It was just poor CB play and poor run defense- that comes down to schemes.

I would put a decent amount of blame on players as well but in this case, it has to fall on the coach.

 

So...if Burke does get the boot, does that mean the wide 9 is gone too?

 

I'd tend to think so. I don't really know how they would identify the defense as a problem but not really the defensive scheme, they are pretty well tied to each other in this case.

 

Good and take Gase with you. Can we hope for Harbaugh and Taub in the offseason? Please??

 

Well, the run yards definitely point to the wide 9 not working as intended. Even though our linebackers have improved a lot this year, I think it's crazy to expect a rookie LB to seal off the "C gap" on a regular basis while expecting both DT's to stuff the hole with McMillian the only safety gap preventing a 10 yard run. That's asking a lot of some really young talent.

 

You could add Quinn. He was playing with some kind of injury for half the season. He's just gotten healthy a couple of games ago. You can see it too in that He's been a lot better the last two or three games

It's a good question. Personally I have no opinion. I'm fine if he's fired or retained. Theres nothing really special about him as DC. I think he will be let go because of two reasons. The mob wants blood so I can see Burke being made the sacrifice. Also Gase didn't want Burke. He wanted an experienced defensive coordinator. It was Ross wanting to save money that the choice had to be an internal hire. I think Gase will see his opportunity now to get his experienced defensive coordinator

 

I do remember that Quinn was an absolute beast at the start of the season.

 

He should have not been allowed on the plane after the Texans game ...

I don't really see it as a requirement. Burke just is not very good. If the brass believes this to be the case, they may keep the scheme and see if they can get someone better to gameplan, teach and get guys to execute it better.

That said, if there is a larger overhaul than just Burke (Gase and/or front office and TBaum) who the hell knows.

 

The scheme lacks flexibility. It's a one-size fits all solution towards what offenses throw at it, and if you can't win with that solution there's really no flexibility to do anything else. You can't run split safety coverages easily if there's a threat to run, you can't do a whole lot to disguise anything, you can't really vary your run fits that much.

 

No love for Burke he hasnt proven he could do anyhting better than Vance and he sucked. Gase needs to hire a true defensive minded guru regardless of what I perserve as "Scaredness" to hire someone with more experience than GASE due to his fear of losing control. He likes yes men and proven coordinator would stand up to him.

If gase want's to keep his job he better get a good one!

 

Gase wanted an experienced DC. It was Ross who didnt want to pay and wanted to promote internally to save money. I dont think its Gase that would have a problem replacing Burke. Its Ross that needs to be convinced

 

If that is true and I feel it isn’t than we have bigger issues. if true Ross is a cancer. You can’t force coordinators on your head coach he has to be 100 comfortable with that.

 

I'm 100% fine with Gase coming back with a new DC....Burke has been awful.

There were a couple times against NE where we just had no-one around Gronk near the sticks whether they converted or not.

There is a lot of talent in the secondary when healthy but we can't even find a way to create pressure to help them.

 

He’s had dog crap talent to work with in the front 7. Aged out former stars in Wake and Quinn, busted pick in Harris, backups at tackle and three lbs that are all complementary pieces, not difference makers. And an offense that can’t pick up third downs. If he was an elite coach, he could have gotten more from less. He’s not.

 

It isn’t a particularly bad injury list, if you look at other teams they’ve had worse this season.

 

You have proof that Ross did that?

And your ok with a def coordinator who is going to complete the worst defensive performance in history in his 2nd year?

 

yes. i have a secretly recorded conversation of Ross speaking with Gase and telling him he cant hire an experienced defensive coordinator. Its currently locked in a safe inside a vault and insured by Lloyds of London. I read it somewhere. I think CK and Boomer might have discussed it also on their podcast but Im not sure

I'm ambivalent about Burke. He's not my type of defensive coordinator in that he's not aggressive enough with pressures and blitzes. I want an attack defense. But when you look at whats out there, there are a lot of bad, bad DCs. Some alot worse then Burke. So unless I know who you are replacing Burke with I'm ok with him staying. Just get him some DTs, a CB and another DE. If you do replace him make sure the guy is better and dont just replace him to replace him

 

Thanks. Let's look at the offense:

Daniel Kilgore (C)
Jake Brendel (C)
Josh Sitton (G)
Luke Falk (QB)
Frank Gore (RB)
MarQueis Gray (TE)
A.J. Derby (TE)
Albert Wilson (WR)
Jakeem Grant (WR)

Tannehill out for several games. Parker's injury, well...not really sure how to count him.

How about this list? Are these injuries enough to give Gase a pass? Are we underachieving or overachieving right now?

 

Some here expected us to win three games this season- if we finish 2-0 we'll triple that mark. The "experts" also picked us to be 32nd in the league yet we were undefeated with our starting offense. 8-8 is overachieving.....9-7 with a playoff berth would be a Cinderella story.

 

My memory isn't all that good, but didn't our defense play well the games we won with our starting offense? I think we were up there regarding defensive turnovers so that helped. Being obvious here but, the three facets of our team have all taken turns hurting the other units. The offense played well enough to win, and then the defense struggles and lets us down, and vice versa. I think special teams has been solid all year. Definitely better when we had Vincent Taylor and Jakeem. The only game were we had trouble was against the Patriots. It's hard to overcome injuries, but that's a part of being in the NFL. If Gase returns then he needs to figure out how to overcome them when they strike. It's been two years now that the injury bug has really hurt the effort. I hope he learns from it and next year we have an answer better than Osweiler if Tannehill goes down. Here's a thought, maybe Tannehill should be the answer if our starter goes down.

 

The first three weeks, we were dominant at the goal line and led defenses in about 5 key stats. If we had EVERYONE back I think we'd be a really good team right now.

 

If true, then THIS is quite telling. Matt Burke or Vance Joseph...I still associate it as the Vance Joseph bend don’t break defense and we’ve been running this defensive scheme for 3 years and for 3 years our defense has been as dominant as a wet paper bag with a hole in it.

I think Gase was well aware that in order for his offensive scheme to be successful he needed a dominating defense like they had in Denver. Vance Joseph and Matt Burke wasn’t going to provide that.

If Burke is indeed gone at the end of this season, I pray we throw everything we have at getting Wade Phillips. As a HC he wasn’t very successful but as a DC there’s no doubt of his defensive success

 

if we could get wade phillips i would personally pay some of his salary

 

I’m not really understanding your perspective so I’ll just leave you with your thoughts..

 

Your missing Hayes and Taylor from the defense..

 

We feasted on teams who weren't in any sort of groove offensively yet. It's not uncommon for defenses to start out a little bit ahead of offenses generally.

We haven't suffered insurmountable injuries on that side of the ball. Burke has been flat out awful more games than he's even been average.

It's painful to see literally 0 pass rush week to week. It's a lot easier to create defensive pressure through scheme than anything else and yet we see none fairly consistently.

It's painful to see players uncovered near the sticks or a penalty on the defense every 3rd and long. It's like we aren't even accounting for all the offensive players.

Anyway when you aren't rushing the passer or stopping the run you're basically getting by on the talent of your secondary. Burke is lucky we have at least 3 damn good to great players back there.

 

What I enjoy a lot is hearing everyone else's ideas on how we can get better. What scheme or defense would you prefer? Do you have any ideas on a DC that could be available that Gase could bring in to run it?

 

So you believe Gase will want to hire a coach with previous head coaching experience in a year with him on the hot seat? Just asking I would do it but I’m worried Gase won’t due to he would be easily replaced mid season.

 

Just because some on here WANT Gase to be on the hot seat, do we have any evidence that he actually IS on the hot seat?

 

No, and he shouldn't be IMO it would be a huge mistake to tear apart a team that isn't that far away.