IMO as I said and maybe I should cut and paste the post but IMO, no, RT is not talented enough to be a Kapertnik and not even close to Russel Wilsons abilitys.

What ZAC TAYLOR ran at Nebraska and was successful at was more of passes thrown from rolling out. Taylor was not a read option QB at Nebraska. Not sure but fairly certain his total yardage for rushing when at Nebraska was in the MINUS category, for his 2 years there, total.

What made him failry successful was Nebraska was never known for throwing the football. Taylor changed that and they had some pretty fast receivers but again, this is college with what, 85 guys on the sideline ? LOL, Taylor is a good kid but he did nothing earth shattering at Nebraska and he certainly did not run a read option offense. Bill Callahan was coach then before he was driven out of town and Callahan canned the option offense for a pro style offense.

Found his stats while at Nebraska. In 2 years he ran the ball 136 times for a total of MINUS - 73 YARDS.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/zac-taylor-1.html

 

Tannehill ran the read option successfully at A&M, and that's the real part of the 'pistol' offense that has become popular. He's athletic, so... yeah. If they wanted to run it, they could. The Phins actually ran some read option later in the year, and Tannehill ran it effectively.

I'm just not a fan of exposing the QB to hits too often.

I think an effective drop-back QB is still what I would ultimately want. A guy who can scramble, extend plays, and run for a first down every now and again. However, his first option needs to be getting the ball in the hands of his skill guys so they can make plays.

 

I don't know if the Pistol is so much the important portion of it, but I think that there should be some element of designed quarterback runs in the offense. What we saw at the end of the year is appropriate, +/- 5 designed run plays a game with a couple of option plays and draw plays. Force offenses to defend it and practice it because it looks like he's able to get you chunk yardage pretty frequently.

Tannehill is good at it, and I think he's also responsible. His style is very slippery and he doesn't expose himself to big hits.

 

Pistol formation has benefits beyond just running from the QB position. And considering Tannehill has done some read option and had a few nice runs this season, I'm thinking Miami could run it just fine. Whether or not we want to... We'll see.

 

He's not. He retired at the end of the year.

 

Does Tannehill have the ability? Absolutely!

Does the coaching staff have a willingness to utilize these methods? That's the part that is in question with me. Mike Sherman ran some zone read stuff at Texas A&M, but it wasn't a lot. His offense in College Station was more of a spread out version of the traditional west coast philosophy. The same goes for what Philbin and McCarthy ran in Green Bay. Philbin and McCarthy did do some option route stuff, but the offense is largely the west coast offense run out of three wide sets with a flex tight end.

Prior to this, Miami clearly didn't have the coaching acumen to integrate the college level philosophies into their overall offense. Personally, I think it can be argued either way whether the scouting staff and front office had the acumen to identify the needed talent. I do know that the scouting staff and front office loved Colin Kaepernick and thought he was everything they thought they were getting with Pat White along with everything Pat White wasn't....i.e...a big quarterback who could pass the football. The front office's failure is their lack of aggressiveness to make a move to get the player they really liked. I'm convinced the front office had the things in mind back in 2008 and 2009 to do what the 49ers are doing and what the Redskins are doing. The problem was, when they drafted Pat White which was a Bill Parcells whim, they realized quickly their bad evaluation of that player's ability to translate what he did at the college level to what he could do at the pro level, they quickly abandoned the idea as a whole.

 

What the pistol formation effectively does is allow you to marry some traditional I formation power run philosophies with some of the newer spread offense option and zone running philosophies. IMO, DJ is correct in thinking that this is what we should have evolved the single wing stuff we were running into. In the single wing, the run game is mostly power with a jet sweep here and there.

 

Pistol puts a defense even more on it's heels, imo, because of the depth and timing. It forces them to react with insufficient time, compared to a shotgun depth... but is JUST deep enough to let the RB and QB exchange run the option away from the center.

 

Pretty accurate accounting, imo.

 

I have a sour taste in my mouth regarding the pistol since UCLA tried and failed at using it recently, but more power to them if they could pull it off with tannehill

 

Tannehill never ran a read option offense at ATM, .

 

I can't believe they drafted Pat white, he took one hit and he was done.

 

The other rookies were all major league baseball draftees outside of RGIII who is just an phenom. Anyone dreaming RT can run a read option offense, successfully, should take off your tinfoil hat. RT ran a spread offense, IN COLLEGE, which is a tad different then the NFL.

 

That's what they tried to do, though. Pat White didn't take more than 2-3 Wildcat snaps, it was all shotgun two-back option stuff or Pistol(vs. the Patriots). They did have the right idea, and I'm not even sure they had the wrong player, so much as he never got a real opportunity. Giving him 1-2 snaps for a guy expected to be a rusher was not a good idea at all.

 

On the other hand the Jets drafted JoE namath with a bad knee and won a superbowll

 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, you dreamers make me laugh. Ryan Tannehill is what he is. A most likely decent QB that has a decent arm and MAY be able to hit receivers deep. Now can he do it on a consistent basis ? Like I said, D1 teams have 85 to 130 players on the sideline, please remember that the NFL only has 45 on gameday. RT on a better team, would be a backup and it ends there.

 

Actually, yes he did. Did he run it a ton? No. But he did do it at times.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ryan-Tannehill-and-the-read-option.html

 

He did it at times ? OMG man, a read option offense is run on a regular basis for a good part of every game. ONCE IN AWHILE does not equate to a read option offense. Go ahead, I friggin give up. If Ryan Tannehill even attempted to run what Kapertnik or Wilson or RGIII runs ON A REGULAR BASIS IN EVERY GAME AND QUITE A BIT ? We will be looking for another QB.

You guys are starting to remind me of Omar. I sit at practice and read his BS Blog and wonder if we were even at the same practice. You guys want to imagine Tyan Tannhhill is a Read option QB and Mike Sherman runs a good read option offense then have at it. I will sit back and laugh my asss off at all of you.

Just like Garner was a starter and John Jerry is a good offensive lineman. ( sigh ) I guess the term, ignorance is bliss really does have a meaning.

Ryan Tannehill a read option QB , omg LMFAO in no way shape or form or any glimmer of a hope is RT capable of running a zone option and IF HE ATTEMPTED TO RUN IT, he will be on IR. Save the post.

 

He said Tannehill has run some read option type plays. He didn't say he was a read option QB.

 

I wish I was at my computer so I could pull up the thread I made about running the pistol 3 yrs ago.

You don't even need a QB that can run very well to use the pistol. Its really just a matter of marrying effective play action with the shotgun formation.

 

Most of what they used with White was inverted Veer stuff. At least against the Patriots. Baffling how they really only committed themselves to that stuff for about a series or two.

 

remember similar comments made about Joe Flacco. I even remember after the draft I suggested Tannehill might grow into a QB like Flacco (since I didn't think RT would be elite, but just very good). I was scoffed at with some ridicule since some people thought that RT would be a bust if he turned into Joe Flacco. well, Flacco looked pretty good tonight. we could do worse

 

Lol @ he would be a backup on a good team. Glad we have been able to map his entire career trajectory after one season.

 

IMO would only be good on the occasional play as a surprise. If RT tried to run it out of a standard offense it would be as about as effective as the mildcat...I mean wildcat.

 

28 second mark

[video=youtube_share;9BATjEpA6nA]http://youtu.be/9BATjEpA6nA?t=28s[/video]

I'm not sure why anyone would assume that he could not do this 5-8 times per game. Just enough to keep defenses extremely honest.

 

I agree. Running it 5-8 times per game does so many things:

It can help the run game.
It prevents the way the D-Line can rush the QB. It takes speed rushers biggest weapons away from them. D line has to contain rather than rush.
It freezes linebackers and allows TEs to get open downfield.

That video was just to prove that there is no reason to believe Ryan Tannehill can't do this as good as if not better than just about any QB in the NFL sans like 5 of them (RGIII, Wilson, maybe Vick, Kaepernick, Rodgers, anyone else I'm missing?)

 

Would be so much more convincing if that was run against an NFL team.

 

I can put together a video for you showing that Ryan Tannehill was highly successfull this year running the read option against NFL defenses when they ran it. Especially in the 2nd half of the season. But I really shouldn't have to as you know what I'm talking about.