Clabo is very perplexed..

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GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Oct 17, 2013, 05:12 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

The problem I see is in the constant focus on "fault".

The quarterback's job is to not get sacked, especially on 1st or 2nd down. It's his job not to get sacked regardless of what the blocking looks like. If the blockers all just stood up and let the rushers go by, it's still the quarterback's job not to get sacked.

Sometimes coaches WILL actually coach quarterbacks to turtle up and take the sack on certain occasions, especially 3rd down which is where 11 of Tannehill's sacks have come from. From a quarterback standpoint, those sacks are not significantly worse than an incomplete pass unless they come on a very specific 10 yard patch of grass between the opponent's 25 and 35 yard lines. That's why coaches will tell quarterbacks on 3rd down to make something happen if they can but don't risk an interception which flips field position on you, so take the sack if you need to.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Simultaneously, it's the offensive line's job to hold their blocks. Holding your blocks is the same thing as a receiver catching instead of dropping the football, or getting open. It helps the quarterback do his job. If you don't hold your blocks, it creates an environment in which it is very hard for the quarterback to do his job.

It boggles my mind that people think a quarterback should be just as good and consistent at keeping pressures from turning into sacks even if the offensive line in front of him are not holding their blocks very long. To me that's like saying a running back should still average the same yards per carry even if his offensive line is blocking poorly.

What I look at is how well each unit is doing their job. That's how I can tell you that the offensive line is doing far worse at the job of holding their blocks than Ryan Tannehill is at escaping pressure that comes in on him. EVERY offense is going to ask you to hold the ball a little longer at times trying to make something happen down the field. Not every offensive line is near 100% certain to allow pressure to go screaming right at the quarterback's face just about every time such a play call happens.

It's all about teamwork. Nobody has or should ever claim that Ryan Tannehill is doing a perfect job of avoiding the pressure that comes at him. But he's being asked to operate with a bigger handicap than just about any other quarterback in the league that way. And therefore it's not that surprising that you have some poor results at times because of it.

I think the biggest handicap Tannehill has is the total lack of a running game.

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Oct 17, 2013, 05:13 PM

That's also a significant handicap.

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cdz12250cdz12250subscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 05:15 PM

If we can't pass block AND we can't run, whose fault is it?

I 'm ticked at Clabo because he's clearly trying to deflect the blame. A man who isn't doing well says: "I'm not doing well; I need to get better." A lesser man looks for excuses or shifts the blame.

GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Oct 17, 2013, 05:23 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

That's also a significant handicap.

Did you see the Packers-Ravens game?

First two plays for GB, two rushes for 47 yards.

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Oct 17, 2013, 05:28 PM

Part of Miami's problem is likely that they're a bad 1st down team.

Only Tampa and Tennessee gain fewer yards on 1st down than Miami.

Lamar Miller gained 5.1 yards per carry on his 30 runs on 1st down, but Daniel Thomas gained only 3.2 yards per carry on his 16 runs on 1st down.

The big culprit though is the passing game on 1st down. Tannehill is averaging only 9.4 yards per COMPLETION on 1st down. That's down to 6.0 yards per attempt and then when you figure in his 6 sacks on 1st down, this is a big part of the problem on 1st down.

I tend to see this as part of the issue with the line's limitations though. As I've said, sacks on 1st/2nd down are drive killers so the Dolphins try and avoid them. They do so with a lot of quick passing. Tannehill is completing these passes 64% of the time so he's generally getting what he wants, but what he wants or what the play calls for is generally pretty myopic.

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PariahPariahNew Member
Oct 17, 2013, 05:30 PM

I am going to throw all the stats out the window (although I do appreciate reading about them, and the time some of you put in to research and post)...

But I am going old school - I played football for many years and was an offensive lineman, I've also watched football for 30 years.

I know what I see, and what I see is that Clabo sucks. No stat or lack thereof will convince me otherwise.

StitchesStitchesluxury_box
Oct 17, 2013, 05:34 PM

"jdang307 wrote:

Assuming the guys ahead of you do nothing, right?

We should also point out, that this "difference" between the team and 10th place lands us at 28th place (in yards per game). So it's not like we're on the outside looking in. We're not even in the parking lot yet.

We're also 24th in ppg.

Huh? We are 16th in ppg.

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OnehondoOnehondosubscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 05:37 PM

"CrunchTime wrote:

We are perplexed too.We thought we were buying a road grader but we got a turnstile instead.:pity:

We thought we were getting a road grader and we got a feather duster.

Eop05Eop05subscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 05:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiH3CFARknI

Enjoy. All Tannehill's sacks.

There are certainly a few that are all on him. Some that are partly on him. But MANY that are in no way shape or form on him.

This was a very painful video to make. And I will only keep it up till the end of the week as the NFL apparently complained about one of my previous videos (Tannehill's designed runs from last year which was about 12 plays scattered throughout the season)

KB21KB21subscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 05:39 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

The problem I see is in the constant focus on "fault".

The quarterback's job is to not get sacked, especially on 1st or 2nd down. It's his job not to get sacked regardless of what the blocking looks like. If the blockers all just stood up and let the rushers go by, it's still the quarterback's job not to get sacked.

Sometimes coaches WILL actually coach quarterbacks to turtle up and take the sack on certain occasions, especially 3rd down which is where 11 of Tannehill's sacks have come from. From a quarterback standpoint, those sacks are not significantly worse than an incomplete pass unless they come on a very specific 10 yard patch of grass between the opponent's 25 and 35 yard lines. That's why coaches will tell quarterbacks on 3rd down to make something happen if they can but don't risk an interception which flips field position on you, so take the sack if you need to.

Simultaneously, it's the offensive line's job to hold their blocks. Holding your blocks is the same thing as a receiver catching instead of dropping the football, or getting open. It helps the quarterback do his job. If you don't hold your blocks, it creates an environment in which it is very hard for the quarterback to do his job.

It boggles my mind that people think a quarterback should be just as good and consistent at keeping pressures from turning into sacks even if the offensive line in front of him are not holding their blocks very long. To me that's like saying a running back should still average the same yards per carry even if his offensive line is blocking poorly.

What I look at is how well each unit is doing their job. That's how I can tell you that the offensive line is doing far worse at the job of holding their blocks than Ryan Tannehill is at escaping pressure that comes in on him. EVERY offense is going to ask you to hold the ball a little longer at times trying to make something happen down the field. Not every offensive line is near 100% certain to allow pressure to go screaming right at the quarterback's face just about every time such a play call happens.

It's all about teamwork. Nobody has or should ever claim that Ryan Tannehill is doing a perfect job of avoiding the pressure that comes at him. But he's being asked to operate with a bigger handicap than just about any other quarterback in the league that way. And therefore it's not that surprising that you have some poor results at times because of it.

It's interesting that there are those who say Ryan doesn't move around in the pocket well or doesn't feel the rush well or doesn't manipulate the pocket. Matt Waldman had an two write ups about Ryan's ability to do just that prior to that draft.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/09/managing-the-pocket-part-i-texas-am-qb-ryan-tannehill/

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/11/managing-the-pocket-part-ii-texas-am-qb-ryan-tannehill/

Personally, I do not believe that Ryan has lost this ability in the transition from college to pros.

OnehondoOnehondosubscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 05:41 PM

Its interesting that Richie Incognito said if the Offensive Line didn't start doing their job they should be fired and Clabo tries to deflect blame.

MAMarino1384New Member
Oct 17, 2013, 05:51 PM

I get what he's saying and while it may be a little tannehill, it's 70 percent oline. Sacks like the strip sack vs the falcons and the sack that blew the ravens game, those off the top and there's many more, are all oline. There's been atleast 10 sacks where tannehill didn't even complete his drop back. Sure in the ravens game on the final drive, I screamed "get rid of it Tanny!!" At the tv but in reality his first read wr didn't even complete his route. Tannehill is young and I expect mistakes and personally I'd rather have a sack then him trying to throw the ball away fast and getting hit and throwing a flacco duck, getting picked. Hold onto the ball and take the average 25 sacks a qb may take that's fine, but when he's not completing his drop back and wr aren't even completely routes then there's an oline problem. Another thing is if he gets used to throwing the ball away after the 2 seconds that he has before he gets sacked, well lets just say he won't be completing too many passes. He's gonna get that timer in his head and he's gonna miss alot of open plays because he has to play to cater the oline.

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Oct 17, 2013, 05:52 PM

"Eop05 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiH3CFARknI

Enjoy. All Tannehill's sacks.

There are certainly a few that are all on him. Some that are partly on him. But MANY that are in no way shape or form on him.

This was a very painful video to make. And I will only keep it up till the end of the week as the NFL apparently complained about one of my previous videos (Tannehill's designed runs from last year which was about 12 plays scattered throughout the season)

Serious suggestion. If you have the ability to (YouTube takes the privilege away if you've got enough complaints against you) then make your videos Unlisted. That means they can't be found via search. That way whoever you're trying to show the video to, the NFL would have to be snooping in on that conversation to see it.

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KB21KB21subscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 05:53 PM

"Eop05 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiH3CFARknI

Enjoy. All Tannehill's sacks.

There are certainly a few that are all on him. Some that are partly on him. But MANY that are in no way shape or form on him.

This was a very painful video to make. And I will only keep it up till the end of the week as the NFL apparently complained about one of my previous videos (Tannehill's designed runs from last year which was about 12 plays scattered throughout the season)

As I suspected. We don't just give up pressure and sacks. We give it up to multiple players. How many times in that clip was Ryan facing pressure from both edges as well as the inside on the same play? I'd say in approximately half of those sacks/pressures, Ryan was getting hit by multiple defenders. Even on plays where Ryan feels the initial pressure and steps up to avoid it, he is usually hit by someone else who has beaten his man.

Eop05Eop05subscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 06:02 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

Serious suggestion. If you have the ability to (YouTube takes the privilege away if you've got enough complaints against you) then make your videos Unlisted. That means they can't be found via search. That way whoever you're trying to show the video to, the NFL would have to be snooping in on that conversation to see it.

Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely do this.

For this video I put no tags in it, so it's not really searchable by anything really. But I like your suggestion better

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Oct 17, 2013, 06:09 PM

It's funny there is a Browns sack on 3rd & 14 where Tannehill is TRYING to do exactly what people want him to do, and the very next sack on 2nd & 10 is exactly the same. He's trying to step up and out and work the pocket and avoid the pressure. But in both cases, it's guys with INSIDE leverage that have perfect ability to checkmate him. On the 2nd & 10 play, Clabo's letting his man have his inside shoulder. The more Tannehill steps up when that happens, the more he's screwed.

And then on 3rd & 10 against the Colts, my goodness where DIDN'T the pressure come from? Tannehill felt the rush to his right and scrambled away from it exactly as he should but Werner has beaten Clabo so incredibly cleanly it doesn't matter. He's got a full head of steam. Then other guys let in their rushers and Tannehill's got three players on him.

I mean look at the Junior Galette sack too, first of the Saints game. Some of these are sacks people want to claim Tannehill should be able to avoid, but look how CLEAN Galette beats Martin on this play. With the angle Galette had, if Tannehill tries to step up off that deep drop, Galette only pulls him down even faster. He went the only place he could go but Galette had a full head of steam already and Tannehill had no hope of outrunning him.

Very next sack, this is what I consider a perfect example of where sometimes a quarterback is just going to need to hold onto the ball a little bit longer and wait for something to develop, Tannehill does NOT just sit on his haunches, either. He feels the clock and begins working out of the pocket. Why didn't he step up into it? Look at the video. There's a rusher coming free right in front of Tannehill. He steps out to his right the only place he can go. But can Martin sustain his block on Martez Wilson? Hell no. Tannehill working the pocket trying to buy time like so many other QBs do and it doesn't matter because his blind side blocker can't sustain.

Very next play, boggles my mind that people think Tannehill should be able to somehow magically work his way out of that. Jon Martin gets bull rushed so bad he's actually blocking Tannehill's ability to step up into the pocket. Only thing he can do is exactly what he did, scramble left. But Clabo's blown his block so bad the pass rusher has a full head of steam and Tannehill can't avoid him.

Oh and it just gets better. Tannehill steps up into the pocket to avoid the outside pressure and there's John Jerry's man coming free and swallowing him like Fat Bastard swallows a baby.

I mean serioulsy, it's a comedy of errors from there.

Sigh.

Just watch the video.

Just watch it.

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54Fins54Finsforum_veteran
Oct 17, 2013, 06:21 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

Sounds to me like Tyson Clabo is pointing fingers.

One year contracts will do that to a person.

BpkBpkluxury_box
Oct 17, 2013, 06:21 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

By the way, going back to the whole 3rd down sack thing...Miami is 9th in the league at converting on 3rd down.

And newsflash, that ain't the running backs doing the heavy lifting there. Tannehill's gotten the call on 62 out of 67 of the 3rd downs. He's converted 25 of 62 of them, even with the sacks.

Their average distance-to-go on 3rd down is 7.42 yards. That's #17 in the league on distance-to-go but #9 in the league on conversion percentage.

And for those wondering, the Dolphins are the 2nd-most unbalanced team in the NFL in terms of run/pass selection on 3rd down. They call passes 91% of the time. Only Atlanta calls passes more often, which is strange because they have a pretty low distance-to-go average.

Ryan Tannehill has the 8th highest passer rating on 3rd down.

Very encouraging metrics on Tannehill. I feel that 3rd down performance is a huge aspect of being a winning QB.

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 07:10 PM

"Bpk wrote:

Well then, here's a question (re: the 1st and 2nd down not taking a sack)... how does Tannehill's throwaway:sack ratio compare to other QBs on 1st and 2nd down?

And this is not a Tannehill witchhunt, for the record. I am not (hopefully no one is) disputing that the Oline has been horrible. Just want to ascertain if Tannehill is helping to compounding an already bad situation and what he can do to improve it.

Fascinating ain't it??

Here's what's fascinating to me...if I polled all the other 31 qbs in the league and asked them if they could play receiver in the big twelve and have over a thousand yards, how many would say yes??

Exactly, they would all laugh....we keep waiting for this athleticism to show up, but we can't get a good read on the ceiling there because he's without a doubt, getting poor protection from many different angles, no matter how much Clabo wants to deflect..however, we can see, even when he does get time, and the pressure mounts, that he's not that deft at the avoidance of it, nor has the quickness in the footwork and COD, So the conclusion is gray, maybe the art of scrambling and evading, and the footwork and senses involved, have absolutely no correlation to the athleticism to play receiver..the disconnect of the athleticism lyes in between the lines of maneuvering thru a pass rush , or running a square in at 12 yards..both occurrences engage athleticism, but from a different part of the brain..One requires thinking before engaging, the other doesn't.

No great Qb become that unless he can maneuver around the pocket, you must possess the quickness in your feet and upper body and have the sense of where its coming from, at this point, I think it's safe to say Ryan needs to get better at those specific traits, and it's also safe to say that he's gonna have a hard time getting better thru experience if the protection is substandard..his main focus during the offseason should include heavy footwork training and becoming more explosive all over..

I know this, Ryan's ceiling is from the pocket, and his escapability will improve some once he has an adequate timeframe to survey, and he's played pretty well considering some pretty bad protection and weak run game, so, while I don't think he will be the dual threat (that maybe in our minds were trying to compare him to), that chance he becomes special from the pocket, with SOME escapability, certainly gives me hope.

Leave ya on this note, just to mess with your soul like ether, we've seen plenty of qb's switched to receiver, can you tell me a case where we have seen the opposite at both levels?

This thought always makes me stay patient in his development.

FanMarinoFanMarinoNew Member
Oct 17, 2013, 07:10 PM

"54Fins wrote:

One year contracts will do that to a person.

Unless your name is Grimes who should be signed to an extension ASAP.

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 07:18 PM

"Bpk wrote:

Very encouraging metrics on Tannehill. I feel that 3rd down performance is a huge aspect of being a winning QB.

And third down defense.

DisgustipateDisgustipatesubscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 07:31 PM

"KB21 wrote:

It's interesting that there are those who say Ryan doesn't move around in the pocket well or doesn't feel the rush well or doesn't manipulate the pocket. Matt Waldman had an two write ups about Ryan's ability to do just that prior to that draft.

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/09/managing-the-pocket-part-i-texas-am-qb-ryan-tannehill/

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/11/managing-the-pocket-part-ii-texas-am-qb-ryan-tannehill/

Personally, I do not believe that Ryan has lost this ability in the transition from college to pros.

I'd go further and say he's shown that ability as a professional, even. He's been quite good at throwing the ball away when he needed to rather than taking a sack in the past.

He's being told to keep his eyes down the field and keep the play going, and to tuck if he feels pressure, I think, and it's not working well.

invidinvidsubscriber
Oct 17, 2013, 07:33 PM

"Eop05 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiH3CFARknI

Enjoy. All Tannehill's sacks.

There are certainly a few that are all on him. Some that are partly on him. But MANY that are in no way shape or form on him.

This was a very painful video to make. And I will only keep it up till the end of the week as the NFL apparently complained about one of my previous videos (Tannehill's designed runs from last year which was about 12 plays scattered throughout the season)

Here's what I saw, feel free to correct me. Thanks Eop05 for the video.

BROWNS
Sack #1 Desmond Bryant : John Jerry gets beat outright.
Sack #2 Quentin Groves : Pocket folds at the ends, Tannehill steps up, Groves peels inside on Martin and gets the sack.
Sack #3 Desmond Bryant : Tannehill runs into this one, but Pouncey could have helped Incognito. Whether or not Pouncey was more prone to helping Jerry, I don't know. I'm putting that one on Incognito first, then Pouncey, then Tannehill.
Sack #4 Paul Kruger : Beats Clabo outright, wouldn't be surprised if Tannehill brought the ball into his body when he saw Kruger screaming on the edge. Confidence in the tackles is a factor.

COLTS
Sack #5 Colt orgy at the QB: Clabo gets beat outright, but either Tannehill didn't have his protection called right or Daniel Thomas didn't know who he was supposed to block. Charles Clay needs to get out of the pocket sooner so Ryan could have gotten rid of it sooner, maybe?
Sack #6 (This one wasn't actually a sack, but I'm not renumbering my whole list) Throw/fumble, Robert Mathis : Martin gets beat, but it looks like the back did a poor job of standing up that linebacker. Our protectors are always moving backwards into our QB too much, instead of holding their ground.
Sack #7 Jerell Freeman (I think, underrated player) : Daniel Thomas complete whiff.
Sack #8 Robert Mathis : Clabo beat outright.
Sack #9 "Time runs out" : Tannehill needs to get rid of the ball, that one is on him.

FALCONS
Sack #10 Osi Umenyiora : Martin and Incognito need to rotate, the DE rolled a stunt because Incognito got pushed back so far, which cleared a path for the DE to the QB. This one is on both of them.
Sack #11 Osi Umenyiora : Dion Sims whiffs, welcome to the NFL.
Sack #12 Corner blitz : Good playcall by Mike Nolan. Tannehill could have hit Hartline but that's a little hard when the corner blitzes on the blindside of a PA call.
Sack #13 Akeem Dent : Whiff by Daniel Thomas. I was pulling for Daniel Thomas this offseason, not to beat Lamar Miller, but in general. Now, I'm getting sick of him being on the team.
Sack #14 Falcons orgy at the QB : Everyone gets beat on this play, but Tannehill has to check out of whatever play he was in, because it clearly took too long to develop or didn't have an outlet set up.

SAINTS
Sack #15 Junior Galette : Martin gets outright beat.
Sack #16 Martez Wilson : Clabo and Martin get beat. Martin gets beat on the wide outside edge and Cameron Jordan gets into the pocket that Tannehill could have hypothetically stepped into if Clabo had kept it clean for him. On both of them.
Sack #17 Cameron Jordan : Clabo gets outright beat.
Sack #18 Tyrunn Walker : Multiple people at fault, the edges cave yet again, Tannehill steps up into the pocket but maybe a little too much. Jerry eventually gets beat and Walker gets the sack.

RAVENS
Sack #19 Courtney Upshaw : Incognito gets outright beat.
Sack #20 Pouncey and Tannehill: Pouncey snaps high, but it was catchable. Both at fault, but that one is more on Pouncey. Put the football in his chest.
Sack #21 Pernell McPhee : Jerry gets outright beat.
Sack #22 Terrell Suggs : Martin gets beat, Tannehill steps up, but Terrell Suggs is too good. He bends back and gets the sack.
Sack #23 Terrell Suggs : Martin gets beat on a bullrush.
Sack #24 Terell Suggs (I think) : Clabo gets outright beat, inside move.
Sack #25 Elvis Dumervil : Clabo gets beat again with the same inside move.

BpkBpkluxury_box
Oct 17, 2013, 07:43 PM

Nice invid. Here's my accounting.

First off, stats say Tannehill has been sacked 24 times but I count 25 sacks here.
No matter. Here's who I saw as contributing to each sack, in order of egregiousness.

SACKS (Main Contributor First, then lesser contributors in descending order)
1) Jerry
2) Martin
3) Tannehill
4) Clabo/Tannehill (tons of space to slide if he notices rush)
5) Clabo
6) Martin/Miller?/Tannehill (notice that **** and slide up a half step bro)
7) Clabo/Jerry/Daniel Thomas/Coaches (Colts jumped the snap count, teach the kid to vary it)
8) Clabo
9) Tannehill/Receivers
10) Incognito/Martin/Clabo (whose man got Tannehill to step up to an angle that let the other OL's guys get to Ryan quicker)
11) Dion Sims
12) Martin/Coaches (well disguised pre-snap CB blitz. But Martin doesn't notice him run by him after the snap)
13) Daniel Thomas
14) Daniel Thomas?/Martin/Incognito/Jerry/Coaches (ATL designed amazing pick-stunt)
15) Martin
16) Tannehill/Martin/Clabo (if Tannehill had pulled trigger at end of drop, or thrown it away once he sensed pressure, that's not a sack. Still Martin's man got him, in part because Clabo let his man collapse pocket so Tannehill had to bail out when he wanted to step up)
17) Clabo
18) Clabo/Martin/Jerry
19) Coaching (exact same pick-stunt strategy defeats Incognito/Miller as was used in Falcons game. Turner did not adjust and Ravens coaches copied ATL with success)
20) Pouncey
21) Jerry
22) Martin
23) Martin
24) Clabo/Jerry/Martin (Ravens don't even bother rushing someone over Pouncey)
25) Clabo (Tannehill could have stepped up if Clabo hadn't failed at his block)

People Who Appeared The Most
Tyson Clabo 10 mentions, contributing factor on 40% of the sacks
Jonathan Martin 10 mentions, contributed on 40% of sacks
John Jerry 6 mentions, contributes to 24% of sacks
Ryan Tannehill 5 mentions, 20% contributor to sacks (note: Tannehills contribution rate has lessened as the season has progressed)
Coaches 4 mentions, contributing 16% (that we can see, obviously play calling etc could be a much bigger contributor, or actually alleviating some sacks)
Daniel Thomas 3 mentions (top among running backs) for 12% contribution towards sacks

BpkBpkluxury_box
Oct 17, 2013, 07:55 PM

I embedded where I agree or disagree....

"invid wrote:

Here's what I saw, feel free to correct me. Thanks Eop05 for the video.

BROWNS
Sack #1 Desmond Bryant : John Jerry gets beat outright. -AGREE
Sack #2 Quentin Groves : Pocket folds at the ends, Tannehill steps up, Groves peels inside on Martin and gets the sack. -AGREE
Sack #3 Desmond Bryant : Tannehill runs into this one, but Pouncey could have helped Incognito. Whether or not Pouncey was more prone to helping Jerry, I don't know. I'm putting that one on Incognito first, then Pouncey, then Tannehill. -THAT'S ON TANNEHILL IMO
Sack #4 Paul Kruger : Beats Clabo outright, wouldn't be surprised if Tannehill brought the ball into his body when he saw Kruger screaming on the edge. Confidence in the tackles is a factor. -AGREE BUT TANNEHILL COULD HAVE FOUND SPACE ALL AROUND HIM IF HE NOTICED THE RUSHER

COLTS
Sack #5 Colt orgy at the QB: Clabo gets beat outright, but either Tannehill didn't have his protection called right or Daniel Thomas didn't know who he was supposed to block. Charles Clay needs to get out of the pocket sooner so Ryan could have gotten rid of it sooner, maybe? -AGREE CLABO MAIN CULPRIT
Sack #6 (This one wasn't actually a sack, but I'm not renumbering my whole list) Throw/fumble, Robert Mathis : Martin gets beat, but it looks like the back did a poor job of standing up that linebacker. Our protectors are always moving backwards into our QB too much, instead of holding their ground. - AGREE. MARTIN, MILLER? AND A BIT ON TANNEHILL FOR NOT SLIDING UP A TOUCH
Sack #7 Jerell Freeman (I think, underrated player) : Daniel Thomas complete whiff. - PLUS CLABO AND JERRY. COLTS COMPLETED JUMPED THE SNAP COUNT WHICH SPEAKS TO HOW THE COACHES PREPARED TANNEHILL AND THE OFFENSE TO PREVENT THAT SO IT'S ALSO ON THE COACHES THERE.
Sack #8 Robert Mathis : Clabo beat outright. -AGREE
Sack #9 "Time runs out" : Tannehill needs to get rid of the ball, that one is on him. -AGREE, ALSO PUT THAT ON THE RECEIVERS

FALCONS
Sack #10 Osi Umenyiora : Martin and Incognito need to rotate, the DE rolled a stunt because Incognito got pushed back so far and had a clear path to the QB. This one is on both of them. -AGREE BUT I ADDED CLABO. IF CLABO MAKES HIS BLOCK RYAN DOESN'T STEP UP TO GIVE INCOG AND MARTINS GUY THE ANGLE THAT MADE IT EASIER TO GET TO RYAN. CLABO CONTRIBUTED TO PUTTING RYAN IN THE POSITION TO EAT THAT SACK BEFORE GETTING THE BALL OUT
Sack #11 Osi Umenyiora : Dion Sims whiffs, welcome to the NFL. -AGREE
Sack #12 Corner blitz : Good playcall by Mike Nolan. Tannehill could have hit Hartline but that's a little hard when the corner blitzes on the blindside of a PA call. -AGREE. ON THE COACHES AND ALSO MARTINTHOUGH BECAUSE HE STOOD THERE DOING NOTHING (WELL, HE STUCK OUT HIS RIGHT HAND AND TOUCHED THE GUY RICHIE INCOGNITO WAS ALREADY BLOCKING) AS THE CB RAN RIGHT PAST HIM UNTOUCHED TO HIS LEFT AND SMOKED HIS QB...UNLESS HE THOUGHT HE HAD A RB THERE.
Sack #13 Akeem Dent : Whiff by Daniel Thomas. I was pulling for Daniel Thomas this offseason, not to beat Lamar Miller, but in general. Now, I'm getting sick of him being on the team. -AGREE
Sack #14 Falcons orgy at the QB : Everyone gets beat on this play, but Tannehill has to check out of whatever play he was in, because it clearly took too long to develop. - POUNCEY NOT BEATEN, BUT OUTCOACHED HERE, DT, MARTIN, INCOG, JERRY FAILED

SAINTS
Sack #15 Junior Galette : Martin gets outright beat. -AGREE
Sack #16 Martez Wilson : Clabo and Martin get beat. Martin gets beat on the wide outside edge and Cameron Jordan gets into the pocket that Tannehill could have hypothetically stepped into if Clabo had kept it clean for him. On both of them. -AGREE, ON BOTH OF THEM. TANNEHILL COULD HAVE HELPED BY PULLING THE TRIGGER TO A WR OR THROWAWAY AT THE END OF THE DROP, OR SENSING THE RUSH BEARING DOWN ON HIM THROWN IT AWAY.
Sack #17 Cameron Jordan : Clabo gets outright beat. - AGREE
Sack #18 Tyrunn Walker : Multiple people at fault, the edges cave yet again, Tannehill steps up into the pocket but maybe a little too much. Jerry eventually gets beat and Walker gets the sack. - CLABO, MARTIN AND JERRY THE THREE STOOGES

RAVENS
Sack #19 Courtney Upshaw : Incognito gets outright beat.- DISAGREE. THIS WAS ON THE COACHES. THE RAVENS USED THE SAME PICK-PLAY STUNT THAT ATL VICTIMIZED US WITH. THEY WATCHED FILM OF THE ATL GAME AND USED IT AGAINST US. WHY HAD JIM TURNER NOT FIXED THIS WEAKNESS? I PUT THIS ON THE OL COACHING.
Sack #20 Pouncey and Tannehill: Pouncey snaps high, but it was catchable. Both at fault, but that one is more on Pouncey. Put the football in his chest. - AGREE
Sack #21 Pernell McPhee : Jerry gets outright beat. AGREE
Sack #22 Terrell Suggs : Martin gets beat, Tannehill steps up, but Terrell Suggs is too good. He bends back and gets the sack. -AGREE
Sack #23 Terrell Suggs : Martin gets beat on a bullrush. -AGREE
Sack #24 Terell Suggs (I think) : Clabo gets outright beat, inside move. AGREE, BUT MARTIN AND JERRY ALSO FAIL
Sack #25 Elvis Dumervil : Clabo gets beat again with the same inside move. -AGREE

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