Could have had Sharper instead of Wilson

Hindsight is 20/20

"anlgp wrote:

Hindsight is 20/20

Not when it's starting to develop into a pattern of too many crappy FA moves.....which it has.

We've done well in the draft but in FA, there's MUCH room for improvement...

"anlgp wrote:

Hindsight is 20/20

Agreed,I have seen this happen to us many times already where we could have had somebody instead of somebody else. We just have to try and win with what we have. Also,who knows maybe,hopefully Wilson can get his game together.

I have a feeling that Gerbil and/or Bell might make a play today. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong though.

Randy Moss, Drew Brees, Anquain Boldin, where does it end???

So we gave the Saints Brees AND Sharper? If they win the Superbowl can we have half the trophy? They owe us! Let us win!

"FinSane wrote:

Randy Moss, Drew Brees, Anquain Boldin, where does it end???

Don't forget how we giftwrapped and handed Wes Welker over to the archrival Patriots for nothing! Thanks Cameron! Everytime I see Brady throw a pass to Welker I cry a little inside. That could've been out #1WR right there. I'm imagining Henne to Welker...Dolphins will you ever make the right moves outside the draft?

sharper performing at this level at his age gives me more proof that the average age of a nfl player in his prime is going up...30 to 34 is the new 28 to 32.

The evolution of the human body meeting NFL experience equals a valuable football player these days..

I truly do not understand point of these threads.
Really don't.

"jetssuck wrote:

Not when it's starting to develop into a pattern of too many crappy FA moves.....which it has.

We've done well in the draft but in FA, there's MUCH room for improvement...

Not really. For all the bad signings, the FO has made same very, very good signings. Pennington, Grove, Smiley, Randy Starks, Davonee Bess and Dan Carpenter.

I think the reason the FO looks bad at FA is because they are signing a lot of stop gap players and really building the team through the draft.

Wilson, right now, it's a miss. Maybe some improvement in the future, but it has been horrible. We did draft a safety so the FO obviously wasn't TOO sold on Wilson. I assume he was just a stop gap signing. Similar to Greene; that CB we signed and cut this year. The FO obviously knew they were going to draft at least 1 CB in the draft. So Green was never going to be around long term.

Is 5 years 25 million deal that big? I honestly don't know. Peppers for the Panthers is getting $17 million this season alone ( he's got the franchise tag ).

Our FO has done a pretty good job overall. You are right the FA signing's haven't been amazing, but they have done a decent job. Remember Smiley and Grove are FA. Pennington WHO WAS HUGE for us and won the AFC east.

Just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions :)

I don't remember a single Miami fan calling to sign Darren Sharper.. So threads like these are just silly.

Sharper, at 34 years of age, signed a one-year cheap deal with NO.. If teams felt he was this awesome player at this stage of his career, he would have signed long term.. Not even his last team thought he was worth it. I know he made the pro bowl in 07, but we have all seen players fall off the map at age 32 and 33 (it happens to the best of them).

Sharper benefits on the Saints because he can roam back there as opposing teams are down 20 points and need to pass all game long.. So he has gotten a ton of opportunities that the rest of the league's safeties haven't gotten.

To me, Jabari Greer has been a better UFA signing.. He has been great for the saints.. Greer covering so well one-on-one allows Sharper to roam back there..
Tracy Porter and UFA signing Jabari Greer have been good for the Saints at the corners so far this season.. So this helps Sharper roam back there.

But keep in mind they also played bad or inexperienced QB's like Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Kevin Kolb and Trent Edwards in 4 of their 5 games this season.

That also has made their secondary(and defense overall) look better than it really is. It always helps your secondary when you face bottom 10 QB's in 4 out of 5 games.. The Dolphins intercepted Trent Edwards 3 times too.

"F.O wrote:

I don't remember a single Miami fan calling to sign Darren Sharper.. So threads like these are just silly.

Sharper signed a one-year cheap deal with NO.. If teams felt he was this awesome player at this stage of his career, he would have signed long term.. Not even his last team thought he was worth it.

Sharper benefits on the Saints because he can roam back there as opposing teams are down 20 points and need to pass all game long.. So he has gotten a ton of opportunities that the rest of the league's safeties haven't gotten.

To me, Jabari Greer has been a better UFA signing.. He has been great for the saints.. Greer covering so well one-on-one allows Sharper to roam back there..

Tracy Porter and Greer have been good for the Saints at the corners so far this season.. But keep in mind they also played bad or inexperienced QB's like Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Kevin Kolb and Trent Edwards in 4 of their 5 games this season.

That also has made their secondary look better than it really is. It always helps your secondary when you face bottom 10 QB's in 4 out of 5 games.. The Dolphins intercepted Trent Edwards 3 times too.

That's an excellent point.

"mbmonk wrote:

I think the reason the FO looks bad at FA is because they are signing a lot of stop gap players and really building the team through the draft.

Wilson, right now, it's a miss. Maybe some improvement in the future, but it has been horrible. We did draft a safety so the FO obviously wasn't TOO sold on Wilson. I assume he was just a stop gap signing. Similar to Greene; that CB we signed and cut this year. The FO obviously knew they were going to draft at least 1 CB in the draft. So Green was never going to be around long term.

Is 5 years 25 million deal that big? I honestly don't know. Peppers for the Panthers is getting $17 million this season alone ( he's got the franchise tag ).

Our FO has done a pretty good job overall. You are right the FA signing's haven't been amazing, but they have done a decent job. Remember Smiley and Grove are FA. Pennington WHO WAS HUGE for us and won the AFC east.

Just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions :)

Well we traded for Grove. But still looks like a good pickup so far. Its true we havent hit on many of our FA signing since the trifecta took over. But they also have hit on a few, Pennington, Fergy, Smiley, Cobbs, Ayodele(trade), Fasano(trade), and Starks. But notice many of these guys are stop gaps. We are building this team through the draft and in time, we will yield many wins and hopefully a Super Bowl from our investments.

"Dolphins1Beatles wrote:

Don't forget how we giftwrapped and handed Wes Welker over to the archrival Patriots for nothing! Thanks Cameron! Everytime I see Brady throw a pass to Welker I cry a little inside. That could've been out #1WR right there. I'm imagining Henne to Welker...Dolphins will you ever make the right moves outside the draft?

We got a 2nd and a 7th for a guy that was a UDFA cut from the Chargers. I wouldn't call that nothing. No one thought a team would give up a 2nd rounder when we tendered Wes, so you cannot say it was gift wrapped. Also, Randy Mueller was the GM and not Cameron, so you're blaming the wrong guy too.

I was and still am a Wes Welker fan, but the Patriots gave up a lot to get him. Belichick isn't afraid to go after guys he thinks will produce under his system and unfortunately, he had huge respect for Welker.

"FinSane wrote:

Well we traded for Grove.

I thought the same thing until I researched it about two months back. He was actually a FA signing.

Adding bulk and perhaps competition to their offensive line, the Miami Dolphins on Tuesday signed unrestricted free agent center Jake Grove, who had played all of his previous five seasons with the Oakland Raiders.

Linky:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3948645

I thought we traded for him as well man :), but not the case.

What is the point of this thread?

No where does it say that Miami even thought about signing him.

"Dolphins1Beatles wrote:

Don't forget how we giftwrapped and handed Wes Welker over to the archrival Patriots for nothing! Thanks Cameron! Everytime I see Brady throw a pass to Welker I cry a little inside. That could've been out #1WR right there. I'm imagining Henne to Welker...Dolphins will you ever make the right moves outside the draft?

Welker isn't and never will be a #1 receiver. You put him on any other team and his success drops off by a lot. He has the benefit of not being 'the man" on his team.

Who did we use those picks from welker on? something Wright-dont even know where he is now, maybe a gym teacher. Satele was a good pick, but I'd take Welker over him. Even with Matt Cassel at QB he led the league in receptions and had back to back seasons with over 100 receptions, which is rare.

"Dolphins1Beatles wrote:

Don't forget how we giftwrapped and handed Wes Welker over to the archrival Patriots for nothing! Thanks Cameron! Everytime I see Brady throw a pass to Welker I cry a little inside. That could've been out #1WR right there. I'm imagining Henne to Welker...Dolphins will you ever make the right moves outside the draft?

Forget that punk. Every time I see him catch a pass I just wish for someone to lay him out. He didn't want to be in Miami anyway.

"Mari0k wrote:

I truly do not understand point of these threads.
Really don't.

I'll be more than happy to explain then;]

We have already had a run stuffing type safety and we needed a ballhawk.....

We passed on Sharper who is ball hawking his ASS OFF for a guy in the same mold as the safety we already have, only he sucks.

"Hindsight" is under-rated.....it reminds you that you need to do better, be smarter......and when it comes to FA, we certainly do

"F.O wrote:

I don't remember a single Miami fan calling to sign Darren Sharper.. So threads like these are just silly.

Sharper, at 34 years of age, signed a one-year cheap deal with NO.. If teams felt he was this awesome player at this stage of his career, he would have signed long term.. Not even his last team thought he was worth it. I know he made the pro bowl in 07, but we have all seen players fall off the map at age 32 and 33 (it happens to the best of them).

Sharper benefits on the Saints because he can roam back there as opposing teams are down 20 points and need to pass all game long.. So he has gotten a ton of opportunities that the rest of the league's safeties haven't gotten.

To me, Jabari Greer has been a better UFA signing.. He has been great for the saints.. Greer covering so well one-on-one allows Sharper to roam back there..
Tracy Porter and UFA signing Jabari Greer have been good for the Saints at the corners so far this season.. So this helps Sharper roam back there.

But keep in mind they also played bad or inexperienced QB's like Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Kevin Kolb and Trent Edwards in 4 of their 5 games this season.

That also has made their secondary(and defense overall) look better than it really is. It always helps your secondary when you face bottom 10 QB's in 4 out of 5 games.. The Dolphins intercepted Trent Edwards 3 times too.

A one year stop gap until we could have drafted a safety sounds a hell of a lot better than giving a scrub like Wilson 8 mil guaranteed......cap money you can bet your ass we'll be eating here in the near future.

You can make all the excuses you want for Sharpers play......lets see you make some for Wilson's?

"jetssuck wrote:

A one year stop gap until we could have drafted a safety sounds a hell of a lot better than giving a scrub like Wilson 8 mil guaranteed......cap money you can bet your ass we'll be eating here in the near future.

You can make all the excuses you want for Sharpers play......lets see you make some for Wilson's?

I haven't made any excuses for Wilson's play.. So it was silly for you to bring that up.

cnc66 wrote:

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Please show us all where you were pimping Miami to sign Sharper this past offseason ?

That's what I thought.

Because Sharper was sitting for 3 weeks while no one wanted him.. He went to a situation in NO that is great for a safety.. Has a great offense there forcing a lot of opportunities for him, combined with a couple of good corners allowing him to roam freely, and often.

And of course he went up against crappy QB's like Sanchez, Kolb, Edwards and Stafford-- guys who are turning the ball over all over the place.

You can disagree with the Wilson signing, and that's fine.. But the staff saw Wilson a lot when he was with the Giants.. Sparano mentioned how Wilson made things hard on them, and he made it tough when the Cowboys were preparing for the Giants.. So if he regressed since then, it certainly wouldn'tt be the first time as more often then not free agents aren't worth the $$ they receive.

You can go back to any draft or any free agency period and wish you had a player or two.. Like all the Raider fans wished they re-signed Jake Grove now all over their message boards.. Hindsight is 20/20

But unless we saw you calling to sign Sharper in the off season, you really have no right to point the finger at anyone... Because you didn't claim that he would produce like this either (and against some turnover prone and bad/inexperienced QB's the saints have played this year).

And for you to say Miami hasn't hit on any free agents is silly.. Look around the league. Most teams don't hit on them every time.. And they pay a lot more than Miami has.

Would you have rather Miami spent $82 Million on one position like the jets did ? Drafting a bust like Gholston and paying Pace $40 Million ? An overrated player and a bust = $82 Million.. Miami has not come close to making mistakes like that.

The free agents Miami has signed are not of the high priced variety. They are guys who were younger who were affordable- like Starks who was only 24 and led Miami's D-line in metrics last year with an astounding 27% win rate..

Justin Smiley is not expensive at $5 Million a year.. Alan Faneca was ranked 30th in pass blocking last year of all the left guards in the league, and had a lot of issues with pass blocking the previous 2 years in Pittsburgh (that's why they didn't want him back).. Faneca is a lot older than Smiley.. And the Jets made Faneca the highest paid offensive linemen when they signed him last season.. The Jets paid all that money for a one dimensional offensive guard.. Which is real stupidity.

Bart Scott, as I predicted, would be a terrible signing at the money he got.. Look at that contract, he isn't worth half that.. While he looks okay making a tackle, he has always had trouble disengaging off of blocks.. 6 years at $50 Million for Bart Scott was STUPID ! Scott is not even a top 15 ILB/MLB.

When do you see Miami making stupid moves like that ? You don't.

Seriously man, you should go around the league and see how many teams, and how many players don't live up to their free agent contracts over the last couple of years.. There are A LOT of them, on most teams.

Did you see what Foxworth signed for in Baltimore ?? Ozzie Newsome is considered one of the best GM's in football.. And Foxworth has looked HORRIBLE this year.. Foxworth signed with $16.5 Million Guaranteed. I can go on and on around the league.. Teams make bad free agent signings all the time.. WHY do you think Ireland and Sparano keep saying that they will build this team through the draft ?

One Gibril Wilson signing with $8M guaranteed is not going to kill the Dolphins future, or their cap.. A lot of teams have far more bigger issues than that.. And it's a lot easier to manage the cap than you think.. Teams can do a lot of restructuring.. Look at the Jets, they were $23 million over the cap, and they still found the cash to pay for plenty of free agents. so even a stupid team like that can figure it out.. And Miami is not near the situation they were in (and are in with older players on the Jets D-line which they need to revamp, two O-linemen getting older, while they have no depth on their roster, and keep giving away picks for quick fixes).

So You're overreacting.

This Miami team is doing it right.. Building through the draft, building a "young" team properly. They don't throw away their picks like other teams do.. And they hit more than they miss on the free agent market-- which are of the lower priced variety and still in their low to mid 20's.. JT was an exception only because they knew him, and he was only a $1.5M signing.. But this regime is not going to bring a bunch of 34 year old stop-gap players.. That's not how you build a good young team for the future. Those 34 year old stop gaps very rarely work out.

Parcells is slowly but surely building a powerhouse team in Miami. Just be patient. Great days are ahead.

To add to that:

The last time the Colts won the super bowl, 48 players on their 53 man roster were drafted by the Colts.

When the Steelers won their super bowl in 2005, 19 of their 22 starters were drafted by the Steelers.. I didn't check last year's team. but I am sure it's high as well.

The last time the Patriots won the Super Bowl, 18 of their 22 starters were drafted by the team.

Do we see a pattern here ? There is a reason why super bowl winners year after year in this decade are the teams that draft the best.. That's why all you hear from Parcells, Ireland and Sparano is Miami will build this team via the draft.

Free agency is not the answer.. Ask the Foreskins and Jets.

You don't see teams like the Steelers and Colts paying for high priced free agents.. Or signing many free agents at all. The reason why they are good year after year after year, is because they know how to draft.

Now the Dolphins had to sign a few free agents like Starks, Smiley, Pennington, and trade for an older player like Ferguson, as well as trading a 4th for Fasano and Ayodele (Miami got the 4th back in the Lorenzo Booker deal)-- because Miami was coming off a 1-15 season.. Miami didn't have many super star players, and didn't have any depth on the roster at all.. So this regime needed some bodies to put on the field.

They had no choice, they needed some bodies coming off that garbage 2007 team.. And since then there are 40 new players on the roster.

This regime took over an expansion type roster when they came in.. So as time goes along, and they build this team through the draft, year after year bringing in more talent and depth, you will see less and less free agent signings.

Did you really expect them to build a super bowl contender in just a year and a half ? When they took over an 1-15 expansion type team that had no superstar players and no depth ? In fact, many would argue that the team this regime took over was worse than an expansion team.

Miami is currently the 5th youngest team in the NFL.. They're doing it right. Building a team that's going to be consistently good over the next decade.

I like the fact that they made sure that the entire O-line is signed over the next 3/4 years.. And that we have such a promising and young D-line.. Starks, Merling and Langford are signed over the next few years.. And Soliai may just be that NT is he keeps improving and developing as he has (but who knows, if not then the only position they need to look at on the lines is NT)... They're building the team right, and started in the right places.