Could Marino Bring Cowher To Town If Philbin Flubs?

No. Bill Cowher has retired. He's not going to coach ever again.

I can see it, both Pittsburgh guys..worked together, know each other...he's a damn good football coach so if Philbin fails to lead the team, I think it's absolutely an option, and I for one would be supportive..as long as it's the last job he ever wants, and under the condition that he comes out and says he wants it...

If Dan is smart there should be no convincing, if there is even a little, then bail on his ass, he's gotta want it real bad, that goes for Harbaugh and Malzahn as well, the coach has to understand the challenges in this town and in that stadium, and want it, anything less is not acceptable..

It's why I don't bash our current coach to much, he accepted and wanted the challenge, and I guarantee one thing as sure as I'm writing this post right now, it's one of the hardest jobs in the sport.

That would be great.

"Clark Kent wrote:

No. Bill Cowher has retired. He's not going to coach ever again.

Then its an easy decision, I'm serious, There can not be one once of talking into..if Dan persists a candidate after hearing that the person doesn't want the job, then he's not right for his position either.

"djphinfan wrote:

Then its an easy decision, I'm serious, There can not be one once of talking into..if Dan persists a candidate after hearing that the person doesn't want the job, then he's not right for his position either.

You don't know what Marino's position entails. And if procuring coaches was Marino's responsibility, not being able to convince Cower to leave CBS, where he's presumably happy, after retiring years ago, is not reflective of Marino's ability one way or the other. Cower is DONE. He's retired. He's not a coaching candidate.

"Clark Kent wrote:

You don't know what Marino's position entails. And if procuring coaches was Marino's responsibility, not being able to convince Cower to leave CBS, where he's presumably happy, after retiring years ago, is not reflective of Marino's ability one way or the other. Cower is DONE. He's retired. He's not a coaching candidate.

maybe you need to read the OP again, and try to understand where I'm coming from better, were debating under the premise that if Marino could woo Cowher, I'm merely stating that if indeed hypothetically it does come to that, and Cowher has to be coaxed into taking the job without coming out publicly and stating he wants the job, then both are making bad decisions, Marino for trying to talk a prospect Into coming here, and Cowher for taking the position without being 100 percent passionate and committed to the Miami franchise and all it's parts.

See bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and nick Saban for examples of where I'm coming from.

Not now Bpk. Not now.

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Ugh I really really hope not.

If Philbin fails, whether it's Cowher or not, hopefully Marino will be able to be the face and mouth of the franchise and make this place attractive to qualified applicants. In the past it has been Ireland and Ross and I believe the lack of personality and charisma with both of those guys has cost the team qualified applicants. Marino has the personality needed to be the voice of the team. If that's all he brings to the table, he can still be invaluable.

I rather he woo someone that is dying for an NFL job like Malzahn instead of Cowher, who would bolt in 2 years just like Saban and Jimmy.

If Cowher ever came back, it would be for the Giants job.

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I don't want Cowher as a coach. If Philbin flops (which is far from a guarantee at this point) then I want Malzahn.

I don't like the idea of betting on a guy being the first to win a Super Bowl on two different teams. I'd rather go for the untried, extraordinary schematic guy(Chip Kelly, Gus Malzahn, etc.), or the established coach who has been close but not won(Lovie Smith, Jim Harbaugh, etc.)

"Disgustipate wrote:

I don't like the idea of betting on a guy being the first to win a Super Bowl on two different teams. I'd rather go for the untried, extraordinary schematic guy(Chip Kelly, Gus Malzahn, etc.), or the established coach who has been close but not won(Lovie Smith, Jim Harbaugh, etc.)

I agree with your preferences, but not the reasoning.

It's faulty logic. No coach has ever won a superbowl with 2 separate teams, therefore it cannot happen. The fact that it's never happened has so much more to do with small sample size, difficulty in winning a superbowl, etc. There is no solid evidence to suggest winning a second superbowl with a separate team is anymore difficult because it's that coach's second team.

The reason I'd prefer the guys you mention to Cowher is that the Cowher has been out of the game too long. I picture him trying to rebuild the team using the same failed outdated principles Parcells tried and failing miserably.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

I agree with your preferences, but not the reasoning.

It's faulty logic. No coach has ever won a superbowl with 2 separate teams, therefore it cannot happen. The fact that it's never happened has so much more to do with small sample size, difficulty in winning a superbowl, etc. There is no solid evidence to suggest winning a second superbowl with a separate team is anymore difficult because it's that coach's second team.

The reason I'd prefer the guys you mention to Cowher is that the Cowher has been out of the game too long. I picture him trying to rebuild the team using the same failed outdated principles Parcells tried and failing miserably.

I don't think I've ever agreed with you more than the bold!

"MonstBlitz wrote:

I agree with your preferences, but not the reasoning.

It's faulty logic. No coach has ever won a superbowl with 2 separate teams, therefore it cannot happen. The fact that it's never happened has so much more to do with small sample size, difficulty in winning a superbowl, etc. There is no solid evidence to suggest winning a second superbowl with a separate team is anymore difficult because it's that coach's second team.

The reason I'd prefer the guys you mention to Cowher is that the Cowher has been out of the game too long. I picture him trying to rebuild the team using the same failed outdated principles Parcells tried and failing miserably.

It's entirely logical that starting over makes it more problematic to be successful.

Don't think Marino would ever endorse and recruit a coach who isn't a pro-style drop back passer type of offense.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I don't like the idea of betting on a guy being the first to win a Super Bowl on two different teams. I'd rather go for the untried, extraordinary schematic guy(Chip Kelly, Gus Malzahn, etc.), or the established coach who has been close but not won(Lovie Smith, Jim Harbaugh, etc.)

This is my feeling as well but it should be noted Chip Kelly and Lovie Smith are spoken for and if we can't get Gus Malzahn or Jim Harbaugh then suddenly betting on Bill Cowher wouldn't seem such a bad idea.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

I agree with your preferences, but not the reasoning.

It's faulty logic. No coach has ever won a superbowl with 2 separate teams, therefore it cannot happen. The fact that it's never happened has so much more to do with small sample size, difficulty in winning a superbowl, etc. There is no solid evidence to suggest winning a second superbowl with a separate team is anymore difficult because it's that coach's second team.

The reason I'd prefer the guys you mention to Cowher is that the Cowher has been out of the game too long. I picture him trying to rebuild the team using the same failed outdated principles Parcells tried and failing miserably.

The only thing I would say to the bolded is: Dick Vermeil. He was out of the game for roughly the same amount of time as the Chin (actually longer) and got it done in St Louis. I agree with the rest though. When Parcells was brought here I would have considered Cowher then, but not now. Id love to get Malzahn.

I think one reason Cowher is not a popular option is because of the perception that he's typical "old school" and would run a boring ball control oriented offense.

But it should be noted he's the one that brought Bruce Arians to Pittsburgh as the WR Coach, after a failed stint as OC in Cleveland.

Cowher is a defensive guy and I'm sure he's pretty well aware of the challenges that certain offenses pose. For instance if we really do for whatever reason become convinced that Lazor is a guy we need to keep around, I see no reason Cowher wouldn't do that.

And absolutely if Bill Cowher were interested in making a return to coaching, Dan Marino would be the first in line to talk to him, and Marino's call might be the first that Cowher takes too.

Kinda goes against the whole "GM wants his own coach" paradigm no?

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think one reason Cowher is not a popular option is because of the perception that he's typical "old school" and would run a boring ball control oriented offense.

But it should be noted he's the one that brought Bruce Arians to Pittsburgh as the WR Coach, after a failed stint as OC in Cleveland.

Cowher is a defensive guy and I'm sure he's pretty well aware of the challenges that certain offenses pose. For instance if we really do for whatever reason become convinced that Lazor is a guy we need to keep around, I see no reason Cowher wouldn't do that.

And absolutely if Bill Cowher were interested in making a return to coaching, Dan Marino would be the first in line to talk to him, and Marino's call might be the first that Cowher takes too.

Coaches coach, coordinators coordinate..Cowher can coach.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think one reason Cowher is not a popular option is because of the perception that he's typical "old school" and would run a boring ball control oriented offense.

But it should be noted he's the one that brought Bruce Arians to Pittsburgh as the WR Coach, after a failed stint as OC in Cleveland.

Cowher is a defensive guy and I'm sure he's pretty well aware of the challenges that certain offenses pose. For instance if we really do for whatever reason become convinced that Lazor is a guy we need to keep around, I see no reason Cowher wouldn't do that.

And absolutely if Bill Cowher were interested in making a return to coaching, Dan Marino would be the first in line to talk to him, and Marino's call might be the first that Cowher takes too.

Which I think he'd be even more likely to do than another HC, because his trusted friend Dan has been here for a year assessing who to keep and who to ditch.

Id still be giddy for John Gruden to be honest