I'm posting this in the Dolphins forum as I found it interesting to see where other teams had players we ended up drafting ranked.
A Cowboys blogger has reconstructed their draft board from pictures taken of owner Jerry Jones in front of it. It makes fascinating reading.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...ft-board-leaked-almost-complete-7-round-board
From a Dolphins standpoint, a few things stood out to me:
- Dion Jordan was ranked as the 3rd best player overall by the Cowboys too
- The Cowboys had a 3rd round grade on Taylor, which somewhat goes against the general feeling pre-draft that he was rated late-1st, early-2nd. It could be that the Cowboys under-rated him, but then he did last until we picked at #54, so maybe not.
- They rated our 3rd round picks, Thomas and Davis, with 4th round grades. Thomas was rated as a Guard though, not a Tackle. His versatility to at least provide backup at Tackle maybe means he would add extra value?
- Sims is the opposite to Thomas and Davis, ranked as a 3rd rounder, but we got him in the 4th.
- Jones is ranked a round higher than we got him at, which, on top of the reports that 20 teams were looking at him as an UDFA, says to me that we may have got a steal...if there is such a thing at the end of the 7th round!
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Hmm, real problem is Jerruh Jones is a horrible drafter.
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Does Dallas play more man than zone? iMO, makes a big difference on his position on value chart
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The Cowboys grade on Taylor could have also been influenced by his kidney issue. That might have been the spot they were willing to take the risk.
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Not sure if this is good or bad???
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Jelani is much more suited to play a 4-3 instead of a 3-4.
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Dallas is switching to a 4-3 this year under Monte Kiffin. So, I think that's at least a little telling they didn't have him rated.Bpk likes this.
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Interesting is right. Nice find. Ill leave this in the Dolphins forum for a bit since its the offseason before it gets moved to Draft because Im sure people will have an interest in how teams stack their boards for draft day.
On a different note, I like some of their rankings (Terrence Williams, Barkley, Hayden) a lot more then others (Trufant, Tank Carradine, Kyle Long, Datone Jones)....to each their own I guessClaymore95 and Bpk like this. -
I don't see how any of this matters. As hard as I was on Ireland last year, I'd much rather have him making personnel decisions than Jerry Jones any day.
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Its not that it matters so much as it is interesting. You get to compare how teams actually stacked their boards compared to how you would stack yours. You get to see how many players teams are actually looking at, where they are looking at them and based on that you can tell what they considered needs (based on where they picked players). I thought it was a cool article.Tone_E, Paul 13, Claymore95 and 2 others like this.
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I live in Ft Worth so I listen to sports talk radio all day here and trust me, many here hate Jerry as a GM but love him as an owner. This news has been played out all day on the radio but all of them as much as they hate Jerry making the picks, they all also confirm the draft board is setup by the team scouts.
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20 lbs. of fat? I don't see what your seeing.
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You are not seeing what I'm seeing with Jenkins.
Keep in mind, coming off of leg problems his 40 times kept dropping during the process.
Fella was a 4.4 sprinter in HS
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- Dion Sims in the third. That's in line with our thinking.
- So they saw Dallas Thomas as roughly equivalent to Brian Winters. Not bad, but we took Thomas a round early.
- I wonder if the prospects are ranked in order vertically within their position grouping. So, was Dion Jordan their top DE prospect?
- I think they badly underestimated Tank Carradine, even Datone Jones and some other pass rushers too.
- Did they have Star beneath Sheldon Richardson? AND below Vaccaro, Eifert and Werner?
- Arthur Brown is better than Gerlad Hodges by a fair sight. Interesting, though, to see their appetite for a coverage linebacker. The league is leaning to more mobile Qbs instead of run stopping thumpers.
- Jamar Taylor a 3rd rounder? Hm. Banks a 6th rounder? That's just stupid. Why even bother putting him on your board when clearly he will be gone by then and if you dislike him that much, just remove him from the board. That's like leaving a 1 cent tip.Claymore95 likes this. -
I'm pretty sure they are, the second table that ranks overall grade regardless of position seems to confirm that. For instance, Jamar Taylor is listed as the 4th CB in the 3rd round on their initial chart, and is then down near the bottom on their 3rd round overall chart, and behind the other CB's they had listed.
Like PhinGeneral says, it could be that Taylor is further down because of the kidney issue, they have left some players off completely because of medical issues (Jarvis Jones for example), so makes sense that someone with a fairly minor medical issue (with regards to playing football) may drop a round or two on their value chart.
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And still over drafted a Center.
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Pretty cool to see a teams whole draft board laid out like that especially as its soon enough after the draft that i can remember what i thought of most of the class. I'm pretty sure the reason they don't have Jelani Jenkins on their draft board is because of injury concerns; they don't have Jarvis Jones on there either.
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They probably figured they were close enough to the 2nd round to justify the grade. I think a 2nd round grade was still too high for him, though.
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Well it's interesting that they only graded up to their 18th pick in the first round (with 18 players). Interesting that they had Floyd graded 5th overall, he was there at 18, yet they still decided to traded back. Floyd at 18 represented value and need... Not too bright those Cowboys.
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From a huge Gator fan friend of mine..........
I asked him to tell me what Jenkins and Gillislee are like and he replied,
Jenkins is fast and can drop into coverage.
Gillislee.....I love him. He is very durable and plays hurt. He can block and catch out of the backfield and runs between the tackles well.Paul 13 likes this. -
It's not a leak if it's intentional. And this is intentional.
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I noticed the 18 thing but i can't imagine that was by design, doesn't leave you very open or flexible for trades and it could well lead you to inaccurately grade players.
I was surprised when i saw they'd had Floyd at 5, if a player you have ranked in the top 5 at a position of need and he falls to 18 you'd normally pull the trigger. They can't have thought he'd still be there at 31, didn't have a lot of options in terms of players with first round grades they could have picked later and didn't receive masses in exchange (3rd round pick). You've got to believe that either someone influential in that draft room didn't want Floyd that high or they made a mistake in terms of who'd be there at 31.
I'm very glad our draft board has not been linked, although it would be interesting and provide a lot of discussion material there are some things i just would rather not know.