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Eliminate the weapon..allow other athletes to execute their job.
Spread him out, let him cover Olsen, and let him spy cam when wake abuses that Carolina tackle, newton will instinctively step up or look for an escape route, that's where the two can work together, flush, and finish..
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i use jordan spying cam newton ! use odrich at re and starks and soliai ,them 3 should be stout enough vs there 3 way run attack of williams,stewart,tolbert
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Jordan as a linebacker is the way to go. I love watching him freelance behind the D-line. Someone gave him the nickname praying mantis and it's perfect, you can do so many things with him at LB.
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I also like that he is seeing the field in regards to playing time. We need versatile guys and we have a few, and I'm happy they're getting on the field. -
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I'm not sure even he understands that he has Lawrence Taylor potential. -
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Great point about Jones..that's probabaly what has happened..we had better cover linebackers last year..makes sense. -
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They don't have the linebackers for a 3-4. -
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Who comes off the field to make room for Jordan?
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Misi, Vernon, and Jordan would all benefit from playing 3-4 OLB, I think. Wake wouldn't really benefit, but I don't think he'd be hurt either. -
Not directed at you, but before anyone asks, no I don't think Koa Misi is that type of player, and now his extension seems superfluous if Dion Jordan is going to eat into his snaps, as Dion Jordan should.
If I had my druthers and Miami was running a 3-4 defense, I'd have Jordan and Wake on the outside - you can matchup Jordan however you want. I'd have Olivier Vernon as my top backup at either. In the middle, I think you've got that "Moe" spot filled with Dannell Ellerbe, as he played it in Baltimore. Jelani Jenkins would be my top sub as a coverage specialist.
The open spot would be filled by, just me spitballing here, a guy like Shayne Skov or A.J. Johnson via the draft, or you could pay Brandon Spikes if New England lets him loose.
And, to boot, you can still get guys like Olivier Vernon and Jelani Jenkins an ample amount of snaps in sub packages. Guys it probably lops off the roster who are currently on it at present would be Koa Misi (too expensive for depth) and Derrick Shelby (bad schematic fit). It might also be a boon for a guy like Josh Kaddu who keeps bouncing between the 53 man roster and practice squad. I think you could still keep one of the three between Freeny, Spitler, and Trusnik for special teams purposes and emergency depth.BlameItOnTheHenne likes this. -
In 2014, if the same scheme is in place, I would highly expect Dion Jordan to be starting over both of those two. -
By the defense Miami has, I think a hybrid, never know what is coming slashing defense is best for their personal. -
I'll try and post parts of this over the weekend, but I have an old excerpt from a coaches manual that details Jack Dooley's "Eagle" defense that he ran at Virginia Tech. It was originally a concept run out of the "50" and "50 shade" defenses (what we now know as the 3-4 front). It's been filtered into more and more looks and ultimately, I personally would consider it to be the overarching concept behind these hybrid defenses.
Nick Saban used it sparingly in Miami until he figured out Yeremiah Bell was better than Tavares Tillman, but he's used it a lot at Alabama with guys like Mark Barron, Robert Lester, and Vinny Sunseri. Seattle two years ago ran it pretty much exclusively, they've backed off of it more this year. Pittsburgh, at the height of Troy Polamalu's reign, ran it a lot out of their 3-4 scheme (probably the truest connection to Dooley's defense I've seen). Miami ran a very similar look to it quite a bit the 2nd half of last season (though Miami's is a bit different given Wake's propensity to rush exclusively from the defense's left).
The principle states that you want to have your best pass-rusher, coverage linebacker, and best overall safety lined up on the same side of the field every snap. Miami did that last year a lot with Wake, Burnett, and Jones. It's faltered this year because Philip Wheeler's had lapses in coverage and they've played Wake in techniques tighter to the center than he has in the past. Reshad Jones has been pretty awful at times as well, so it just hasn't clicked.
I'll see if I can scan some of it in over the weekend and make a separate thread about it. I just think if Miami's willing to make a transition to the 3-4, the benefit of having 3, maybe 4 guys in Wake, Jordan, Vernon, and potentially Misi that all play on the edges outweighs the value of having [overpaid] guys like Ellerbe and Wheeler playing on the inside that can blitz.djphinfan likes this. -
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MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member
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Tyson Jackson - Kansas City Chiefs
Brandon Deaderick - Jacksonville Jaguars
Jason Hatcher - Dallas Cowboys (I think he's injured)
Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame (going to have to burn a 1st round pick)
Ed Stinson - Alabama
Deandre Coleman - California
Dominique Easley - Florida (injured)
Taylor Hart - Oregon
Jason Bromley - Syracuse
Kamal Johnson - Temple (off-field issues)
Tyrone Ezell - Pitt
Josh Mauro - Stanford
I'd probably cut my list of draftable guys off after Easley or Hart. I'd consider Johnson, but you have to do your due diligence on the off-field stuff. I'd tab him as a high-priority UDFA.
As an aside, I think out of any of the big contracts Miami gave out this season, if you're going to get rid of one, Wheeler's is the most palatable. It's not desirable, but it's palatable. -
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I said when he was drafted, he should be used as a LB, standing up, moved around, used in coverage. I was shot down by all those who said being the 3rd pick he needs to be a pass rushing end.
Before the Pats game, Panda made a thread suggesting Jordan cover Gronk. I concurred and gave sound reasons why, and was laughed at in the responses.
Now, this is all being talked about like it is some kind of novel revelation???
Fcuk this thread. It just pisses me off. It isn't a good idea unless the right person here suggests it??? :pity:jim1 and Canad-phin like this. -
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You move Misi to MLB, Wheeler becomes a rotational sub, and Ellerbe the WLB. Misi would then be able to take on blockers inside, easing the burden on Ellerbe outside. Jordan would go toe-to-toe with TEs and be used the best way possible.
Marvin I understand what you're saying (that was your name right?). That's always the case. One guy might say it, but the rest don't believe it. Is what it is. Keep making good suggestions:up:djphinfan likes this. -
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The other guy I'm smitten with is DaQuan Jones [PSU]. He's bigger but he's got some nice athleticism for a guy his size. Would be like having 2 Odricks on the field together. With Jordan at OLB I actually wouldn't mind going bigger and more physically imposing at RE which Jones definitely is. Odrick-Soliai-Jones would be pretty nasty IMO and would be a b**ch to run on.
Aaron Donald should enter the equation as well. He's shorter than you'd like for a hybrid RE but that shortness should play to his favor as a nickel DT rusher. -
You have to let Jordan spy Cam, wich sucks because he is about the only guy I think could cover Greg Olsen.
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