I want the Da Monster on the team.

 

Absolutely love this guy. Such a complete game with room to grow still.

 

I like the idea of drafting him, but I don't like the idea of trading in this draft. This draft will have a lot of talent in the first couple days where the Dolphins are loaded with picks. If you make all 5 of those picks there is a good chance you're coming out of the draft with at least 2-3 good players.

I don't think it's impossible Moore gets to 12 though. There are always surprise guys who fall and what we think the draft boards will look like now will be very different in a few months. Right now most seem to feel Jones, Moore, and Werner will be gone by the time we pick, but most people thought that about Robert Quinn would get out of the top 5, let alone fall to 14 at this time in 2011. Same thing last year with Quinton Coples. But even if those 3 are taken, there are some other intriguing pass rushers that are more likely to be there.

 

I heavily doubt Miami considers trading up for Damontre Moore.

I would be hard pressed to draft him at #12 overall let alone trade up for him. I doubt the players I would need to see off the board at 12 will all be off the board to where I find myself drafting Damontre Moore. It might not even be possible for all of them to be off the board as I'm not sure I'd have Moore amongst my top 12 or 15 players.

About that video, I'm not sure I'm supposed to get a great impression of him from it. He was fully controlled for the most part on his pass rush attempts, and in the run game he was either finding himself on the carpet or not getting off the blocks to make a play, unless he was unblocked to begin with.

For instance look at the sack at 1:09. Look how much Xavier Nixon (who is barely a top 10 offensive tackle in this Draft) walloped the guy on initial contact. He sent a punch to "Da Monster" that sent him flying backward. Nixon had Moore easy peasy on the play. That's not a top 5 overall player. Only reason he got the sack was because the Center tripped over the defensive tackle who was on the carpet behind him as he backed up.

The second sack he got was a total coverage sack. He stayed at home to spy on the QB, unblocked, and when he held the ball too long and started to run, he committed.

There was another disturbing lack of strength play at 2:39 in the video. He stunts to the inside, and has essentially 7 yards of free space to gain steam before he meets Jon Halapio (who IMO isn't very good, from what I've seen of him over the years) who picks him up in zone. With that much steam, Damontre Moore needs to win this. He should be able to knock Halapio backward and shed him. Instead it's like he ran into a brick wall. Halapio completely reversed Moore's momentum. Then at 3:05 he does the same thing but this time meets the Center, and Halapio gives him a shove and knocks Moore straight to the ground. Weak.

At 3:49 he actually makes a quality move to the inside after pushing Xavier Nixon on a vertical rush, but again this is where lack of strength shows up. You can pause at a certain point and Damontre has Driskel dead to rights. His shoulders are square to the QB while Nixon's are square to the line of scrimmage, Moore has a hand on Nixon to maintain separation while Nixon has a hand on Moore's chest. This is either going to be a sack or a holding penalty. Except it's not either, because Nixon drives forward and slams Moore straight into the turf.

He gets another sack and again this is just Driskel holding onto the football and scrambling to exactly where Moore was. Try and pretend you're evaluating Xavier Nixon on the play and not Damontre Moore. Do you give Nixon anything but positive marks on it?

And in its own way the play at 5:12 was also disturbing. Moore makes a move to the inside and he's going to bull rush Jon Halapio, who as I said I don't have a very high opinion of. Halapio is backing up preparing for the bull rush as he's seeing it coming and he's got his shoulders behind his hips, which is a big mistake as one big punch to the chest from Moore could put him on the turf. Just before Moore gets to him, Halapio punches out, but starting from the body position he did it's not going to be a very strong punch and Moore should be able to drive him backward. But again he broke against Halapio like a wave breaking against a rock. No push.

His best rush of the game came against backup right tackle Kyle Koehne after Chaz Greene went out of the game. Koehne makes Halapio look like an All Star. Even so, Moore had to fight for every inch.

Even tight ends were blocking him well enough to keep him from making plays when he was in position to make them...all except one play toward the end of the video. But even on that play Moore canceled the good effort by grabbing the RB's facemask. Couple plays later though he's being driven backward like 6 yards by a skinny tight end's drive block.

I'm being harsh on Damontre Moore, I realize. It's not like I hate the man. There's a certain point you'd draft him. He uses his hands reasonably well and you can't coach the 2nd and 3rd step he has to take a tackle deep on the outside rush. But his lack of strength is evident everywhere in his film and you can't really think about pulling him back to linebacker because get him out in space and he's really not that great of an athlete. He's like a slightly better taught but much less athletic and much weaker version of Dion Jordan.

 

Oh absolutely weaker than Dion Jordan. Not even a question, IMO. Significantly weaker.

 

Sorry but I just don't see us giving up multiple picks to move up seven spots. Not when we have huge needs at WR...TE....CB......our O-line....besides just needing another DE.

 

Well we don't know what will happen in free agency. Any number of those holes could be addressed there.

 

I think Vernon flashed enough to consider DE later.

 

Vernon IMO is a try-hard, high-motor run defending 3-4 OLB that might be able to shift inside and pass rush over a guard on obvious pass downs. I don't think you make personnel decisions based on his presence. Unfortunately I don't think the Dolphins front office will agree with me on that.

 

That's why I don't this Miami will spend a 1st on a DE unless Werner falls. We got some nice run defending pieces. I would like to see a pass rusher at some point early but who knows what Ireland is going to do. Free agency will help clear a lot of things up.

 

Probably most of those sacks from Odrick came from DT on pass downs though.

But yeah, Vernon shows no real pass rush ability.

 

Could go with DE just not necessarily the DEs people are thinking. More Zeke Ansah or Sheldon Richardson, POSSIBLY Alex Okafor.

 

The thing is, didn't they know that from working him out and watching his film? I don't think I saw or learned anything about Vernon this year watching him with the Dolphins that I didn't already know from watching him at the U. He seems like the same player that he was at the U. Don't get me wrong I like him, but I think he is one of those players with a mid-to-high floor and low ceiling.

 

His total lack of success in being able to pressure offensive tackles from the edge as a pass rusher surprised me. I knew he wouldn't necessarily be good at it and that his best bet would actually be rushing guards from the interior, but I didn't know he would be as bad with it as he was.

 

I'd be okay with Ansah. Isn't Richardson a DT. Same mold as Fletcher Cox?

 

What I see is Jordan as a more aggressive player that uses leverage better than Moore and is better at shedding blockers- he has a pretty vicious rip move where he'll get his body weight behind him, for example here at :25 (that is a TE he's against here, I believe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxkek4

So if that's what you mean, fair enough, but I'm not so sure about Moore being physically weaker than Jordan if that's what you mean. Moore does get stonewalled by OT hand punches a few times, but that doesn't tell the whole story - he is more of a finesse DE, but yeah you're being kind of harsh on him, more criticism than he deserves imo. There are plenty of plays where he handles himself just fine physically, and he is a premiere edge pass rusher. Moore got stonewalled plenty of times in the Alabama game as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VF1vkiKFo


But Jordan gets stifled and kicked out wide any number of times- I'm just going to go by this clip and look at :58, 1:05, buried at 1:30, taken for a ride at 1:52, etc etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxk

That being said- I like Jordan quite a bit, even more so now after watching particularly for the strength aspect of his game- better than I originally thought. I have my doubts that Jordan is physically stronger than Moore, but he plays stronger, more aggressively. I do think that Moore is an OLB candidate, but Jordan looks even quicker and I think could make a great OLB- look at him at 2:18- they're basically playing him a lot at stand up DE/OLB anyway, look how he moves horizontally and vertically, that hint of a back pedal.

These are my two favorite DE/OLB pass rushers in the draft, I'd be happy to get either one. Tough call, but I'm leaning towards Jordan as my favorite. That being said, I do think that you're downplaying what Moore has to offer, he's a darned good player and I'd think that he could provided us with some much needed pass rush opposite Cameron Wake. In terms of value, I still like Corey Lemonier and your guy Okafor is a good player, too.

ps Barkley may actually be underrated now. I never was a big fan, too much Matt Flynn in him for me, but the Jets should be all over him imo. They might get a second chance after screwing up as per Russell Wilson.

 

That post sounds like you initially disagreed with me strongly and started writing exactly that, while watching more video of the two, and by the end coming out in total agreement with me while not quite wanting to admit it. :)

 

Not exactly, but I have to give you credit- you pointed out pretty well how Jordan plays pretty strong for a rather thin guy, and that Moore is more of a finesse guy. I think that you went overboard in terms of saying that Moore plays weak or that he is weak, though. It seems that he prefers chase/read and react to smash mouth football, but I think that he still plays some good physical football and you're not giving him nearly enough credit for that. But as to your comparison of Moore to Jordan, for the most part I would say good point- Jordan has a more physical style of play from what I looked for and noticed after your post.

What you pointed out and then I looked for, if I understood you correctly, is how Jordan PLAYS strong for a guy of his thin stature- dude is kind of a twig at 6-7 240 compared to the OLs he goes against, but man is that guy fiesty. He seems to know how to use leverage, and in doing so he reminds me a bit of Andre Tippett. But Moore is a much thicker guy, different body type and he looks much stronger in the upper body, wider base, etc.- we'll find out at the combine.

Moore is imo the best pass rusher in this class at turning the corner. You can call it turning the corner or bending the arc- whatever you call it, Moore is impressive, great first step and his lean is something else- your guy Woerner does it well and he's a full sized 4/3 DE, but Moore does it better imo. In terms of overall burst, I think that I'd go with Jordan over Moore- very, very quick guy, better chance that he can play OLB, though I wouldn't discount Moore in that regard.

Jordan has some real pop to him, very good first step and this guy can move all over the place, a metaphorical queen on the chess board. In a word, he's dynamic and I think that a defensive coordinator would love to get him in some sort of a combo DE/OLB role, or a straight up OLB. To me, it's hard not to do a comparison between Jordan and Anthony Barr- similarities in size, pass rush, explosiveness and both seem to be DE/OLB tweeners.

Again, I think that you made some very good points about both Jordan and Moore. I just think that you took it too far as per Moore playing weak and/or being weak. On that one play you mentioned Halapio (320 lbs btw) thumped him in the chest and stopped him cold, but Moore was tracking the QB with his eyes and he released and made a good play down the left sideline. The Alabama OL pushed him around a bit, but that was pretty typical for them. But from what I've seen he sheds well, attacks well, and sometimes he does get stonewalled as you pointed out, then kind of waits around to see if he can track down the play- he likes to chase. But as per our pass rushing needs, I'd take Jordan or Moore gladly if either were there at #12. Which one first? Tough call, but maybe Jordan.

 

Damontre Moore only weighs 240 lbs. I don't know why it should be so shocking that when you really break him don he looks like he lacks strength and is able to be handled physically by OLs that get hold of him.

 

To me Moore looks closer to 260 than 240. You make an interesting point about Moore, I just think that you take it too far. And as to Jordan, look at this clip against USC or any number of other clips and you'll see him getting handled as well. Both Moore and Jordan have issues in terms of getting stonewalled, and one of my initial reservations about Jordan was how it looked like he got regularly ridden out wide by OTs when rushing the passer. I said it then and I'll say it now, it's a concern.

I like what Jordan does here at :08, then in the following play he's rendered useless at stand up RDE. He's tall and thin, it's going to happen with him like it happens with Moore, but Dion is a more aggressive player- not necessarily stronger, but more aggressive. 240 sounds awfully light for Moore.

 

I have looked at Jordan critically. On many occasions against many opponents, including against USC. He's stronger than Damontre Moore, period.

 

I have concerns about his flexibility running the arc and changing direction, and at times he seems heavy footed to me. IMO Moore has some bust potential b/c he's not a good enough pure pass rusher to be worth a high 1st round pick in my eyes, and he might be a liability as a strong side end vs the run against quality right tackles who have a 50+ pound weight advantage. Personally, I feel Ansah and CK's kid Okafor have a greater ceiling at strong side end.

 

Playing with a different style and temperament doesn't necessarily equate to being physically stronger. Jordan is longer and leaner than Moore- btw I've never seen Moore listed at less than 250 lbs and he certainly doesn't look it. Moore's upper and lower halves are much thicker than Jordan's, I'll believe that Jordan is stronger than Moore if and when I see it at the combine.

Jordan is wiry compared to Moore, and on many occasions, against many opponents, you can see Jordan getting fanned out wide by much larger OTs. He's not immune to getting stonewalled either, but what he does do imo is a better job of shedding blockers through good use of leverage and his hands. He plays stronger, that doesn't mean that he is stronger.

 

I think that Moore is excellent coming around the edge as a rusher, I have no idea where you get the idea that he isn't. And heavy footed? You've got to be kidding, especially compared to your guy Ansah, who looks like he's wearing concrete shoes when he pass rushes. No comparison, whatsoever, between Moore and Ansah as pass rushers. Moore is at or near the top of the class, Ansah is a third rate pass rusher.

 

You feel better?

If you can't see Moore's less than outstanding ability to sharply flatten his rush/pursuit rather than being slightly rounded off, I don't know what to tell you, and that's when he seems heavier footed.

WADR I think you HIGHLY underestimate the combination of power+leverage+athleticism aspect of Ansah's game. QB pressure isn't always about speed rush.
Ansah doesn't have to be super light footed; he's a 265+ pound guy. Context.
In my eyes Ansah plays with better flexibility & balance and takes sharper angles (better COD ability) than Moore.

I still don't understand where you get this notion that a strong side end's sole responsibility is as a speed rusher (which Moore is not BTW). If Moore is so "excellent coming around the edge as a rusher" would you care to research what percentage of his sacks & pressures came directly from bending the arc?

 

No, I have no interest in researching and calculating that- some stat jockey can do it if they like. And Moore is a speed rusher imo, at least if we're defining that the same way- he looks great coming around the edge imo, Ansah isn't even close in that regard. And btw who says that Moore has to be a strong side DE? He'd be extremely useful as a situational pass rusher and a backup to Wake, who is on the wrong side of 30. Plus I still think that he possibly could make a good OLB.

What games of Ansah did you watch in which he impressed you so much? I mentioned this before- this guy wasn't even mentioned on this site until I did a couple of months ago- then he got some buzz and people were all over his jock. So which games did you watch, because I'd really like to see them. I don't really have anything more to say about him, other than he's an interesting prospect with some skills, but an average, at best, pass rusher. And that factors in a decent power rush- his speed rush sucks. If you think that Ansah is a better pass rusher than Odrick, you're kidding yourself. And that's the problem right there, imo- we have no business spending a high draft pick on a DE to replace Odrick if the draft pick is not a solid pass rusher- you can argue all day long that "but he's a power rusher", but it doesn't cut it. Where is the value added, what is the opportunity cost? No way, no how would I spend a #12 pick on Ansah, especially for this team. I don't hate him, he's just a bad fit. I have no idea how Ansah can be compared to Aldon Smith as I've seen multiple times on this site. It's like comparing Rosie O'Donnell to Carmen Electra. I would draft Corey Lemonier for Miami as a situational pass rusher, back up to Wake and maybe an OLB candidate before I would take Ansah. Of all the needs on this team, a solid strong side DE who is a marginal pass rusher is not one of them. Could Bjoern Werner be a step up up? Yeah. Ansah in that role? No. Why in God's name would you want to spend a high draft pick on a DE who is a worse pass rusher than Odrick? It doesn't add up to me, and of course that's nothing more than my opinion.

Just to be clear about it- again, I don't hate Ansah, I just think that he's a bad fit for the Dolphins, and we have far greater needs to fill. We already have a DE who is dominant at the LOS at DE and one heck of a run defender and a better pass rusher than Ansah- Jared Odrick. You may not agree with that, but I'd bet that Kevin Coyle does. I'd be absolutely shocked if we drafted Ansah at #12.

 

well, if "speed rush" is so important to you and you believe Moore is a "speed rusher", then not only should he see a significant number of sacks running the arc straight to the QB but it would also be interestingly ironic if you supported a pass rusher who didn't get most of his sacks via speed rush considering your stance on Ansah.

a non-elite situational pass rusher at #12 pick? I don't see the rationale.

I'm not convinced Moore has the flexibility to be an NFL OLB, so why would you use a valuable 1st round pick on Moore "at OLB" when it's doubtful he beats out Misi in base defense?

He's displayed or flashed awe-inspiring promise in most of them.

Your certainly entitled to your opinion.

If we happen to not re-sign Starks what are your plans at strong side end?

Agree to disagree about Ansah being a bad fit or a worse pass rusher than Odrick. If we don't re-sign Starks and Odrick moves inside then Kevin Coyle most likely would agree that Ansah is a proper strong side end candidate in his defense.

 

I would take Sheldon over Moore, and it's not close..and it doesn't matter if he wasn't a true end in college.

 

Your conclusion about how Moore should be getting his sacks is not terribly relevant to me. But if it floats your boat, go ahead and spend the time to research whatever you want. He's gotten sacks "running the arc", and he's gotten sacks chasing down QBs outside the arc. The point is, he is excellent as tracking down the QB and he's the kind of pass rusher that you'd want in the game on passing downs, as opposed to a guy who is going to try to pile through people, aka power rush. Your "if/then" conclusions don't interest me. Case in point this sentence of yours:

"well, if "speed rush" is so important to you and you believe Moore is a "speed rusher", then not only should he see a significant number of sacks running the arc straight to the QB but it would also be interestingly ironic if you supported a pass rusher who didn't get most of his sacks via speed rush considering your stance on Ansah."

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but speed rush means more than bending the arc, at least to me. I'm not very interested in the type of argument that you're trying to make here.

"Situational" implies, as I use the term, that he'd replace Odrick on passing downs with Odrick most likely moving to DT. As to Misi, he's not a great attack LB, but he's good, maybe a candidate to move to ILB, and I mentioned that a while back. But he's ok where he is. I'd be more interested in Moore replacing Kevin Burnett. The point is, we need another pass rusher and on top of that Wake isn't getting any younger. And Moore is one of the elite pass rushers in this class imo. If you don't see value there- that's your opinion. Did Bruce Irvin provide value this year as a top 15 pick? Moore could significantly help the pass rush now in multiple ways and be groomed as Wake's eventual replacement.

As to Ansah, I'm pretty much bored and done with the subject. I ask for game specifics and you give me
"He's displayed or flashed awe-inspiring promise in most of them." That's rather light on details, which I fully expected. Let me guess, he tackled a guy soccer style and that amazed you. There's no need in repeating, again, my hesitations when it comes to this team drafting Ansah.

If Starks walks and Star Loutoulei is availiable we probably draft him, or maybe Odrick moves to DT. Regardless, if we end up needing a new strong side DE then I'd be looking for a solid player who played faster and was a better pass rusher than the 310 lb Odrick (btw, Odrick is no slouch speed wise as a 300 plus pound guy). More of a traditional 4/3 DE type. Kevin Coyle seems pretty adamant about Odrick remaining at DE from the comments he's made anyway, he thinks that DE is the right position for him.

 

well, if your whole deal is finding a speed rusher then it should matter in this context regarding how Moore gets his sacks, especially since you think he's a great speed rusher.

Now you're double talking. First you knock Ansah for lack of speed rush despite having other ways to track down QBs but now you're suddenly supporting Moore's ability to track down QBs via non arc-running means. Make up your damn mind. BTW, I did the research. I'll enclose it in the following post.

Of course you're not interested b/c your logic and argument are all over the place.

Disagree about him being an elite pass rusher. He couldn't get a single pressure against Bama's oline, and his lone sack came via an unblocked boot leg. If he can't beat Fluker & sophomore Kouandjio, who engulfed him all game, then how do you consider him an elite pass rusher and expect him to do so at a high level in the NLF?

.... you mean like how I asked for specifics to show me your proof of Moore being a great speed rusher and you refused to?

Not sure how you could come to this conclusion when Moore wouldn't even beat out Misi in base defense. Are you intentionally trying to make our defense worse?

 

I'm tired of the whole subject of Ansah. As I said before, I don't dislike him as a player, but he's completely uninspiring to me as a pass rusher- let's agree to disagree, because to me this subject is beyond stale. I have no interest in spending time researching and providing statistics how often Moore's sacks come from him bending the arc- if you find it worthwhile, go right ahead. I've seen enough in games and film that imo he's one of the best pass rushers in this draft class- if you don't think so that's fine, but it's a bit peculiar that he's regarded by the more widely regarded draft people as a top 10 pick. Why is that, superlative run defense? If you watched the games and some film and don't think that he's one of the best pass rushers in this class- well then, I can't help you. I just have no interest in your conclusions about what defines or how to rate a speed rusher, and certainly no interest on spending any time researching it. It's your idea, you do the work. And if you actually want to do it and do it right, calculate how many "bendings of the arc" resulted in QB pressures as well.

And as to the double talk on my part, there is none, nor lack of logic. Tally up the stats all you want, Moore can bend the arc very well imo and he does a very good job of lateral pursuit as well. Let me know when you get the figures as to how Moore arrived at his sacks. You can go to 1:04 or 1:33 and judge for yourself as to whether or not he can bend the arc, feel free to look up the rest, these are just two examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxj59C-Xzag

Btw at 1:41 that's where he gets stiff armed as CK pointed out, but he gets the QB with his excellent lateral pursuit- those sacks count, to- non arc bending. I pointed out quite a while ago how impressive Ansah's lateral pursuit is, but look at that clip at 3:10 and you'll see Moore put on a show as to that as well.

As to 'Bama, who didn't they stifle with the OL?

I'm tired of criticizing Ansah- the guy is a good player, my major beef is that imo he's just not a fit for what we need on this team right now- let's not bore each other with the speed rusher vs. power rusher debate. There's no need to go in circles on that or me to comment further, I'm tired of repeating myself. You prefer Ansah, I prefer Moore, let's just leave it at that. Otherwise we're just beating a dead horse.

 

We all have our opinions, that's what makes it interesting. I don't really understand the criticism of Moore as per bending the arc, personally I think that the bend that he gets and the use of his lower half are pretty impressive- but that's just me. I saw it in the games and on film, take another look at this clip at 1:33:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxj59C-Xzag

Is that not nearly text book? This guy can get low and use his thick lower body, arms and shoulders to turn the corner- to me he's downright impressive in that regard. It's just my opinion, by no means does that opinion make me right. Despite whatever deficiencies they may have, I'd be pretty happy if we were able to draft Jordan or Moore at #12.

 

Only sometimes?

 

As for which player runs the arc from a down position the best of all players in this Draft, my honest opinion is Bjoern Werner. I know I'll be accused of just assigning him that accolade based on my liking him, but it's the exact other way around. I like him because I noticed he was the most consistent at it when he does go for it, in addition to having all these other things going for him. Prior to the season he and James Gayle looked the best at it to me. Gayle is returning to school.

I think Cornellius Carridine might be 2nd place and some might argue 1st place, in this regard. Simon might be in the latter group.

 

A guy that I've been noticing in Shrine practice...Travis Johnson...surprisingly good in this regard. Surprisingly.

 

I broke down every Damontre Moore pass rush vs Bama, LSU, UF, Arkansas, Miss St, and La Tech to see how/where his sacks and pressures resulted.

• Alarmingly, only 1 sack and 3 legitimate QB pressures in 6 games came from beating a tackle around the edge-- vs La Tech left tackle, Oscar Johnson, who will be lucky to get drafted.... and this wasn't even a true arc-running sack.
• Take a look for yourself (all videos are timestamped for convenience):

1 Sack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15tP75ipPkk#t=494s

3 Pressures
1. vs LSU <ridden deep by LT but comes back to the QB>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZlyDKSEgWU#t=121s
2. vs Arkansas <lined up wide vs right tackle>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=177s
3. vs La Tech <vs Jordan Mills, late round prospect>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15tP75ipPkk#t=178s

* There was 1 instance of beating a right tackle after the sack had already been made made: http://www.youtube.com/watchfeature=player_detailpage&amp;v=15tP75ipPkk#t=76 s

​

• I counted roughly 7 sacks & 11 pressures that did NOT involve beating a tackle around the edge.

The 7 sacks (all timestamped)​
1. UF- <coverage sack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=69s
2. UF- <inside vs RG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=99s
3. UF- <coverage sack/delayed rush> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=131s
4. UF- <left-side pressure forces QB to Moore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=271s
5. Bama- <unblocked bootleg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=T3VF1vkiKFo#t=292s
6. LSU- <inside rush, crosses face of LT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZlyDKSEgWU#t=66s
7. Miss St- <beats LG on inside move> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=blZLrAX1m5c#t=16s

​

The 11 Pressures
1. ​UF- <inside pressure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=93s
2. UF- <delayed inside rush> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=160s
3. UF- <coverage pressure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=312s
4. LSU- <works back inside>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZlyDKSEgWU#t=284s
5. Ark- <beats the RG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=168s
6. Ark- <inside rush vs LT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=263s
7. Ark- <inside rush vs LT, splits blockers>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=336s
8. Miss St- <spin move vs the RG>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=blZLrAX1m5c#t=344s
9. La Tech- <inside rush> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15tP75ipPkk#t=89s
10. La Tech- <inside rush, sheds LG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15tP75ipPkk#t=335s
11. La Tech- <uses hands to shed LT>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15tP75ipPkk#t=514s

• So of the roughly 44 arc-running pass rush attempts, I counted approximately 4 combined sacks & pressures. {These 44 attempts do not include instances of Moore either being immediately stoned or taking a direct approach to the tackle}.
• Of those 44, I counted 17 times where the tackle rode him wide, with a handful of those involving Moore being unable to turn the corner despite both having beaten his tackle and the angle being there for the exploiting. He also didn't seem to be doubled as often as one might expect (where as Ziggy Ansah was routinely doubled and even tripled).

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To gain a better indication about his flexibility/agility as an edge rusher (namely being able to sharply turn the corner rather than rounded arc), I also looked for examples among plays involving Moore's pursuit and whether or not he rounded it off or took sharper angles. Here's a few of them, along with instances of not being able to effectively flatten his arc and convert the rush into a should-be sack.

1. UF- <runs in circles in pursuit of QB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=210s
2. UF- <rounded off pursuit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kTNtQQvE7LE#t=312s
3. Bama- <subtle but rounded off pursuit>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=T3VF1vkiKFo#t=250s
4. Bama- <runs a big looping circle in pursuit of McCarron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=T3VF1vkiKFo#t=435s
5. LSU- <cant sink and turn the corner sharply enough; lost a potential sack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZlyDKSEgWU#t=29s?
6. LSU- <unimpeded around the tackle yet pursuit is rounded off>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZlyDKSEgWU#t=255s
7. LSU- <takes too long to gather & redirect, then rounds his pursuit>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bZlyDKSEgWU#t=368s
8. Ark- <beats the RT but arc is too rounded off and lost a sack>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=147s
9. Ark- <unabated to RB but rounds it off> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=325s
10. Ark- <rounded arc cost a potential sack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FRqX0in2ItE#t=514s

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In summary, in my eyes, Moore shows good initial quickness to beat offensive tackles but doesn't display enough flexibility/agility to sharply turn the corner to finish off his rush like great pass rushers do, and I've rarely seen him effectively convert speed to power (although perhaps I simply missed it). Instead, his pass rush arc & angles of pursuit are too often rounded off, which at times makes him seem a little heavy footed.

IMO, he's not stout enough to hold down the strong-side spot, nor does he impress me yet from a power & technique standpoint, although he seems to have strong hands; he doesn't have enough flexibility & agility to play in space at SAM linebacker (at least not steal Misi's spot); he's not a good enough pure pass-rusher to draft as Wake's heir; and I further question his ability to be a difference maker as a weak-side rusher vs NFL caliber left tackles. So that leaves me begging the question, "Where & how do you play him, and is he a potential 1st round bust?". To me he's a weak side end by default but should be moved inside in nickel b/c he seems most effective when he's instinctively working in between the tackles, stunting, working a delayed rush, and utilizing his straight line speed without having to bend corners. Added, if Moore has difficulty sharply turning the corner at 245-250 lbs then I'd be skeptical about him maintaining his current ability level after being asked to gain significant weight to play strong side end.

Granted there are more ways to apply pressure than outside speed rush, but when the player is a somewhat slender 250 pounds, missing that aspect could be a big deal.